[Easy_Mode]

Guys...

Need your help. Man, I feel like I'm regressing. I was at a point where I was getting a lot of side chicks. I went for about a year of having sex with a different girl every day of the week(not 365 different girls but I had side pieces and then just the random stuff).
Shit/drama happened about 5 months ago, and I've not been able to build myself back up. I get plenty of interest, but somehow I fuck it up. I think I'm being way too aggressive and coming across as desperate. However, usually they are the ones that become aggressive first, and it still fizzles out. I don't know if I am chasing too hard or what. Actually, I feel like I am.
Example -

I had three people flake on me last night:
I was suppose to meet a tinder chick at a bar. She flakes last minute, but another chick invites me out to where she is(friend for 3 years we never banged). I go out. She is white girl wasted. I figure its in the bag. Immediately I'm grabbing all over her, we are making out, holding hands, etc, but she is with her friends. They drag her to this other bar. But outside she takes a fucking phone call and says I'll meet you inside. I know I'm fucked at that point. I wait 10 minutes don't see her, so I try to hit on some girls there. Nothing - way too young, and I'm close to 40. I leave. She text me two hours later asking where I am. Then invites me out to eat. I ignore the text. No idea why this went south. Was I too aggressive? Same damn night I was talking to another tinder chick. She said come over after work we will "cuddle". I say OK, I'm game. We are texting throughout the night(not during the time I was trying to bang the other chick). So after that falls through its about 12:30AM. I ask her if we are still on, if not my final option was to go to my "main girl". She says no I'm too tired. Now she has ghosted. I assume she found something else. Guys, this has been my life the past few months lol. WTF, am I doing wrong? I have been very aggressive recently. Perhaps, too much so?

[Razor Beast]

First girl: It was probably going to be tough to isolate her if she was with her friends - logistically it was working against you.

Second girl: Tinder or any other app for that matter is just not that great anymore for me personally, but you could do ok if you're cream of the crop in your city. Even if you are, you have to be really good at screening out the attention whores who don't care to meet up because they are obviously a huge waste of time.

Last girl: Asking for a same day meetup can be seen as needy, even with a regular girl.

[LeoneVolpe]

Girls are fickle. It doesn't matter how long you've been in the game, you'll still find chicks who aren't buying what you're selling. You live, you learn and most importantly, you move on. I'm a big believer in the whole "every no gets me closer to a yes" philosophy. Don't sell yourself short, you had a bad night. Better things are likely just around the corner.

[TheMaleBrain]

Dude

It is a numbers game. You will have ups and downs.

My analysis:
Tinder chick - high probability of flaking (probably did not talk to her before on the phone). Take it easy.
Friend - Cockblocked by her friends. Simple as that. You did your best, but could not isolate (as
Razor Beast stated)
Second Tinder - You might have been "over enthusiastic" in the interaction.

If you feel a pattern, examine what you did.
You may be doing a lot of "Pull" and little "Push".
Sometimes I try to chill, lay back and interact while verbally escalating. But that is me.

[WestIndianArchie]

Sounds like you don't have solid game.

WIA

[Valentine]

Agreed, we can't tell you much from just these 3 short descriptions of flakes.

Come back when you've done 30 and see if the same problem exists.

Also note that Tinder chicks are flakey as hell.

What would also help is more thorough descriptions of what you have going for you, descriptions of these girls, full text conversations etc.

[Burt Gummer]

Before girls:
Sleep-8 hours no tech before bedtime
Diet- just dont eat shit. Go further once you have willpower.
Exercise- Every day just change intesity
Other Socializing(With WINNERS)-
Motivation/mindset- Gorilla Mindset, How to Win Friends and Influence People, BANG etc.
A higher purpose in life- Fighting the left, Raising a family, Being remembered for X.

cheers

[Scesci]

Approaching is a core foundation of game, if you are using direct pick-up, know that it has the most probability of failure.

Besides that, failing while hitting on women has the positive outcome of churning your inner emotions and removing you from your comfort bubble, this is a highly fertile state to rethink your frame and beliefs, while also making you less attached to your ego.

In this state you can change your inner image and what's subsequently is fucking up your social skills, this is the perfect time for everything you observed and read about game come into one.

Reading and theorizing can only work on this plateau, only approaching will bring forward the true ability to succeed with women on real life situations.

Nonetheless, if you can't stop being self conscious/self aware in your approaches i suggest you regain your self esteem and identity outside of game. Most men need a masculine output in their lives, like working, lifting weights, fighting, reading, writing, creating stuff with your own hands like carpentry, sculpting or creating visual or musical art...
Just don't turn into a nerd while doing those and forget about improving your game.

[Easy_Mode]

(05-03-2016 04:02 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

Agreed, we can't tell you much from just these 3 short descriptions of flakes.

Come back when you've done 30 and see if the same problem exists.

Also note that Tinder chicks are flakey as hell.

What would also help is more thorough descriptions of what you have going for you, descriptions of these girls, full text conversations etc.

I've done way more than 30... Been at this for 3 years. Had my share of hits, misses, learning curves, and droughts. I'm not in a drought, but I'm not on fire like I was a few months ago. I'm probably only getting 2 or 3 new girls a month, and that is with a shit load of effort. Wearing me out. And really no keepers to replace the lost ones. They are either not as attractive in person, or completely insecure and I can't deal with that shit. Tinder has already dried up, as well as POF. I live in a smaller city, and its the same dumb cunts over and over.

I did finally get one of the tinder flakes to my place last night, and fucked her. She jumped up off the couch put her clothes on, and said "thanks for making me feel like a whore, bye" and left. Then had the nerve to try and see me again tonight. I told her "you stormed out of my apt like a pyschopath. You will need to make it up to me if you want to see me again". She replies, "i dont know how". Had to share that story. Definitely, a first.

WIA,

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm confusing game with extreme aggression. I need to chill the fuck out.

[Travesty]

In the first post I saw:

Tinder
Long Time Friend I didn't bang
Tinder

That's a bad pattern.

[XPQ22]

There are few things more disconcerting yet character building than a girl walking away to start texting, or going to chat with a male friend, right when you're in the middle of spitting your best material.

I try to make sure it happens at least a couple of times a week. Because sometimes they don't.

[Easy_Mode]

Well, I've had two more tinder dates this week. One we banged all night. Went back to see her last night, and I was like wtf not as hot as I remember. Fuck.

Another got back to my place. Thought, for sure, it was going to happen. She was gorgeous, with nice fake tits. We are making out, and the like. She keeps stopping. I'm like wtf... so I pull back. Try again a few times, and she's just not having it. She leaves, calls me up afterwards and tries to talk my ear off. I'm like I have to go to bed. I then tell her "let me know when you're free and we'll get together again." I don't know what I did wrong here, because I'm 95% certain she was DTF.

She text me last night at midnight, but I was already asleep. I text her back this morning. She's cold. I'm beginning to think the line " let me know when you're free" is turning these girls off. I've had many disappear after I've said that(of course, normally after I give a specific day to meet). Thoughts?

[PapayaTapper]

(05-07-2016 03:32 PM)Easy_Mode Wrote:  

Well, I've had two more tinder dates this week. One we banged all night. Went back to see her last night, and I was like wtf not as hot as I remember. Fuck.

Another got back to my place. Thought, for sure, it was going to happen. She was gorgeous, with nice fake tits. We are making out, and the like. She keeps stopping. I'm like wtf... so I pull back. Try again a few times, and she's just not having it. She leaves, calls me up afterwards and tries to talk my ear off. I'm like I have to go to bed. I then tell her "let me know when you're free and we'll get together again." I don't know what I did wrong here, because I'm 95% certain she was DTF.

She text me last night at midnight, but I was already asleep. I text her back this morning. She's cold. I'm beginning to think the line " let me know when you're free" is turning these girls off. I've had many disappear after I've said that(of course, normally after I give a specific day to meet). Thoughts?

"..let me know when you're free" That comes across as too supplicative. It's needy and borderline submissive— two of the last things we want to be ever, especially with pre bang chicks. You're basically saying "please like me and let me know when you don't have anything better to do"

Try something like "We should get together/ hang out/ see each other again" (choose your voice) "I'm going to be at ABC Bar on Tues 8 pm...join me"

Or try a "forced alternative"...."Let's get together Tues at 7 at ABC for drinks or I'm cooking dinner Thu at my place."

Don't ask. Tell them and give them alternatives. If neither works for them and they don't offer alternatives of their own then they're just not into it