[GillesDeleuze]

ugly girls often have low self-esteem and you can observe this during the night

They know they are not attractive and develop some sort of anger against life, already assume that if you are hitting on them is because you think they are easy to bang (due to be ugly->not so many choices to lock down an attractive man, even if the have vagina)

In my home country 4's and 5's are usually as tough as 8's and 9's, so there's no need to lose time with them, if you have to be rejected it's better to be rejected by a hottie

[southern120]

(04-22-2016 09:29 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

It's entirely possible to get blown out by a 4, and then fuck an 8 with little effort.

x1000 - virtually on truer words have ever been written

[Rush87]

(04-23-2016 05:39 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Wi30 made some good points. However, I don't think unattractive women are rejecting handsome men solely out of some fear of being a bet. I think social media and online dating are to blame for the onslaught of unattractive women (especially fat ones) developing their profound sense of entitlement. Along with an apparent thirst epidemic and the mainstream media blowing constant smoke up their asses, many of these she-beasts have now been deluded into thinking they're much more attractive than they truly are. I remember a time when fat chicks could often be described as having a "good personality". Sure, there have always been exceptions to this or any rule, but it seemed as though they used to have a better understanding of their value in the sexual marketplace and adjusted their attitudes accordingly. Knowing they couldn't best their competition physically, they compensated by being more friendly/easy. This no longer seems to be the case, where now even 4s and 5s with cankles think they "deserve" a Calvin Klein model.

An overweight four in today's society will receive more male attention and adulation than Marilyn Monroe would have received in her prime.
In fact an overweight four will receive just as much, if not more attention that an 8. Let's just look at the numbers:

Most men will max spam everything on dating websites. Most men will swipe right without regard for what we see [Due to having much better things to do than read profiles on Tinder]. Most blue pill men will blow smoke up the ass of a whale at the club for a perceived easy lay…

When you tally the numbers, the land whale four will match 40+ guys on tinder per day… With her deceptively angled shots she will also have at least 30 initiate. When said land whale goes to the club she will be approached dozens of times…

Now imagine if you had just a handful of girls initiating on tinder each day, a handful approaching you in the club, and constant validation from anyone and everyone [Not to mention a genetic predisposition to be irrational]…

It's not hard to see why the system is so backwards.

[littleG]

(04-22-2016 09:29 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Eh, I'll give a serious answer...

Do not game frumpy 4's and 5's. They have such low self esteem that they're actually skeptical of a high value man who tries to game them. They assume you're low value because you're going after them.

Never go lower than a 7.

It's entirely possible to get blown out by a 4, and then fuck an 8 with little effort.

I used to have the same problem. I'd go out with a chick and be like "She blew ME out? She's not even hot! What the fuck? Am I that terrible?" My idea was to "practice" on uglier girls and "work my way up" to hotter ones.

Then I simply raised my standards and found that I had no problem with 7s, 8s, and 9s.

Just thinking out loud here. Going off of what you're saying and experience I think you have to assume that women act as somewhat rational agents and seek to maximize their own personal utility unless you find a way to circumvent that mechanism or short circuit it. So though you thought you would be doing a 4 or a 5 a favor -- she knows that if she spreads her legs for someone with such a distinct difference present she is opening herself up to a world of hurt.

Simply conjecture but I wanted to add it.

-PJ

[TheBlackNarwhal]

(04-22-2016 08:36 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  



3 year member. Over 3k postcount. Honestly not sure if fucking around or being genuine.

The great thing about this forum is that it attracts men who are subject matters experts in a lot of different things, doesn't have to be game!

Perhaps reading through the forum has given him some motivation.

Good on him to want to improve and having the humility to ask for help.

As for OP...Try going out this weekend and do a lot more approaches. Then some more. Then more. Create a larger data pool so-to- speak so you can track what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong from just from noticing how the interactions went.

Are you having fun approaching or does it feel like an uncomfortable and difficult act? Maybe your attitude and mindset was off last weekend.

[Khan]

(04-23-2016 05:39 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I remember a time when fat chicks could often be described as having a "good personality". Sure, there have always been exceptions to this or any rule, but it seemed as though they used to have a better understanding of their value in the sexual marketplace and adjusted their attitudes accordingly. Knowing they couldn't best their competition physically, they compensated by being more friendly/easy. This no longer seems to be the case, where now even 4s and 5s with cankles think they "deserve" a Calvin Klein model.

That's because of male thirst. Within each new generation the percentage of clueless blue pill dudes keeps on increasing, and inequality in the sexual marketplace continues to grow. Even a whale can easily find a boyfriend today, whereas 50 years ago she would be subject of ridicule and shame.

As for the other thing you mentioned, I can't remember if I ever met a fat chick who had a decent personality.

[Irenicus]

OP, take a double dose of Kratom, and then the girls will wonder why you are not attracted to them!!

On a serious note note.

Be honest to yourself(!) and tell us more about you (age, style, SMV 1 to 10 scale...), and then we can help you out, OK?

[XPQ22]

(04-23-2016 06:11 AM)southern120 Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 09:29 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

It's entirely possible to get blown out by a 4, and then fuck an 8 with little effort.

x1000 - virtually on truer words have ever been written

Real talk session about online dating: you will absolutely get blown out by hogs who have been active on the sites for years and seen it all and met up with every guy imaginable, and then hook up with a couple smoking "7s" or "8s" the week after who just came out of a 2 year LTR, have never done online dating before, had a profile up for about a month, and met up with four horrible chodes with no game and is getting seriously depressed about the state of male game in society today.

"It Happened to Me."

In fact this should frankly be your "target demographic." If you're going to pay for "advanced features" on the sites, the only real reason to do it is to be able to concurrently sort by attractiveness and profiles that are less than 6 months old.

After this has happened to you a couple times, you will perpetually stare in amazement about how dumpy "5s" who have been active for years will attempt to run "hot-shit girl" game on you, flake, tell you about their other dates, and generally be annoying while you're thinking:

[Druber]

Around my neck of the woods, there aren't that many females even worth hitting on. But, id rather get blown out by a fit hottie than a hambeast!

At least you're going out and trying.

[RexImperator]

I had some drinks the other night but the post was true. I often feel like that.

I haven't logged my approaches but maybe that's something I should do. (Seems a bit odd to "log" social interactions, though.)

I can see your point about approaching more attractive women.

"Do you lift?" I've already posted as to why I think weightlifting doesn't do much as far as girls go but I still keep at it for other reasons.

I have no idea above my SMV but if that's based on the number of women you get then it's obviously very low.

[PapayaTapper]

Rex

Because of your post/rep count I originally sort thought you were"trolling trolls" (hence my tongue in cheek "just be yourself" post above....) My bad.

I agree with Hank Moody and others above...punching below your weight is likely counter productive. The blow out was likely more a self defense mechanism on their part

Inner "Game" as has been repeated over and over (and as evidenced by the wide spectrum of threads/topics on this forum) is really much more than "picking up" women. It's really more analogous to "life".

[OGNorCal707]

Sounds like Rex needs to work on doing a better job at target selection, target selection is a very important part of game. If you choose the wrong target you're setting yourself up for failure, you've got to be able to lean back against the bar with your drink and scan the room and size up your targets before you approach.

The easiest approaches for me were always that lone girl at the bar by herself, drinking not talking to anyone, looking kind of bored, usually she's not the hottest like in the 6-7 range, a lot of time girls like that go out with the hope/intent of meeting a guy, and with proper target selection you can be that guy.

Guys on here talk about not approaching women your are unattracted to, I can't disagree with that, but as a newbie struggling and even now with more advanced game I'm still somewhat a proponent of "warm up approaches", by this I mean don't go straight for the hottest girl at the bar which would be your "top pick."

Mingle a little bit and get into a social groove, chat up the girls standing waiting for a drink next to you at the bar, ask some chick about her tattoo, etc., ideally the girls you warm up with are still cute enough that you'd want to go home with them if you do hit it off, but if you're kind of an introverted guy or have less than stellar game, it can be good to ease in with some "warm ups", instead of diving in head first with the hottest chicks.

Going back to target selection I believe Roosh espoused the value of target selection back at his peak when he was focusing on and innovating game technique and knowledge something like 4-5 years ago. Finding the vortex point in the bar where you will be a position to most effectively approach with the greatest number of targets. It's all about strategically setting yourself up for success, sometimes this is really basic shit, one of my old time running partners who never studied a day of game would always first thing once he walked into the bar scan for where the hottest girls were standing waiting to order their drinks, then slide up next to them intentionally, where you have a good window and excuse to chat them up while waiting to order drinks. Most guys are just looking for the empty spot where they can most quickly order, but what is more important getting drunk or being in proximity and talking to hot girls.

Finally to echo what others have said, we can't really know how Rex is fucking up in the game without the specs on who he is and how he runs his game. He could be too short, he could be too fat, his grooming may suck, his clothes may be shit, he may have a high pitched feminine voice, maybe awkward mannerisms, poor posture, body language, or maybe his verbal game is shit, he doesn't know how to be witty, or engaging, etc.

I really think one of the greatest hurdles for a lot of guys is just their introversion, I am not very extroverted and it takes a lot for me to break out of my shell and approach strangers, and not only approach them but be smooth, charming, witty, and confident, with a commanding presence. A lot of guys who struggle with game are most likely introverted by nature and struggle to break with that frame. On the plus side the good thing about being an introvert is that we are more analytical, we tend to be thoughtful, and strive for a deeper understanding. You must use this to your advantage to tap into the game matrix, with a good amount of studying and learning with an equal amount of real world effort and application.

For guys who are at the bottom of the game totem pole, the best tip I can give is to simply not give a fuck. Once you stop caring and can detatch yourself from the results on a mental/emotional level, the sooner you will begin to see success in game. It's liberating when you can brashly approach the only 9 at the bar, get shot down, and walk away with a smile on your face. On the flip side of that coin, it's empowering when you make out with that 9, but don't flip out like a kid in a candy store, because you're deep knowledge and experience in game has taught you the transitive nature of women, and that 9 can be gone in a flash. Either way you don't give a fuck.

[Sidney Crosby]

I don't understand this thread.

Are you good looking/fit?
Do you have nice clothes?
Are you interesting?

If you have to ask yourself any of these questions you probably aren't, so do something about it.

And the only time you should ever even acknowledge that a 4-5 is alive is when they are standing beside a hot friend who is bangable.

[Razor Beast]

(04-23-2016 10:27 AM)Khan Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 05:39 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I remember a time when fat chicks could often be described as having a "good personality". Sure, there have always been exceptions to this or any rule, but it seemed as though they used to have a better understanding of their value in the sexual marketplace and adjusted their attitudes accordingly. Knowing they couldn't best their competition physically, they compensated by being more friendly/easy. This no longer seems to be the case, where now even 4s and 5s with cankles think they "deserve" a Calvin Klein model.

That's because of male thirst. Within each new generation the percentage of clueless blue pill dudes keeps on increasing, and inequality in the sexual marketplace continues to grow. Even a whale can easily find a boyfriend today, whereas 50 years ago she would be subject of ridicule and shame.

As for the other thing you mentioned, I can't remember if I ever met a fat chick who had a decent personality.

Male thirst is created because the top 10% guys looks wise monopolize the available single women. These women are all very satisfied sexually so they are largely indifferent to the advances of any random man unless he's better than what she is getting currently. They all have multiple fuck buddies - even 3's and 4's.

These women then refuse to consider the advances of or even dating the average-below average looking men that they would date 10+ years ago because tinder makes them feel they are a message away from their dream match.

Not to mention feminism has reduced the sense of urgency for these women to find a husband. They feel since they can pay their bills they can have their fuck fest throughout their teens and 20's and wait until 30+ before looking for a guy to settle down with. Since these average guys have no way of getting laid, they become preoccupied with it or just drop out entirely from women.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-24-2016 04:06 AM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 10:27 AM)Khan Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 05:39 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I remember a time when fat chicks could often be described as having a "good personality". Sure, there have always been exceptions to this or any rule, but it seemed as though they used to have a better understanding of their value in the sexual marketplace and adjusted their attitudes accordingly. Knowing they couldn't best their competition physically, they compensated by being more friendly/easy. This no longer seems to be the case, where now even 4s and 5s with cankles think they "deserve" a Calvin Klein model.

That's because of male thirst. Within each new generation the percentage of clueless blue pill dudes keeps on increasing, and inequality in the sexual marketplace continues to grow. Even a whale can easily find a boyfriend today, whereas 50 years ago she would be subject of ridicule and shame.

As for the other thing you mentioned, I can't remember if I ever met a fat chick who had a decent personality.

Male thirst is created because the top 10% guys looks wise monopolize the available single women. These women are all very satisfied sexually so they are largely indifferent to the advances of any random man unless he's better than what she is getting currently. They all have multiple fuck buddies - even 3's and 4's.

These women then refuse to consider the advances of or even dating the average-below average looking men that they would date 10+ years ago because tinder makes them feel they are a message away from their dream match.

Not to mention feminism has reduced the sense of urgency for these women to find a husband. They feel since they can pay their bills they can have their fuck fest throughout their teens and 20's and wait until 30+ before looking for a guy to settle down with. Since these average guys have no way of getting laid, they become preoccupied with it or just drop out entirely from women.

The attitude of fatties is only half because of male thirst. The other half is because these women have now been told they're "curvy" not fat and it's men's preferences that are the problem, not their corpulent bodies. Years of Oprah, Rebel Wilson, "retro models" (gag) and other such things have made our society fat-friendly.

Gone are the sheepish chubby chicks of yesteryear. In their place is the "large and in charge" crowd.

True story: In my college dorm, one of the guys on my hall used to go around wearing a shirt that said "No Fat Chicks." Under that saying was a sketch of a fat woman's body with a circle around it and a line slashing through it diagonally. Would that be allowed on campus now? No it wouldn't. That right there shows you how views have changed.

When you put male thirst and fat acceptance together, the result is a bunch of fours stomping around like they're Kate Upton. Meanwhile, normal women see men pair off with these wildebeests and start thinking the worst of men. Nobody wins, in other words. (Except the people who own Wendy's franchises, apparently.)

[LongDongSilver]

I disagree, 3's and 4's might be able to fuck complete losers but thats it. The mean fat bitch phenomenon is them feeling rejected bu any dude with his shit half together before the interaction even starts. As a fat bitch they have suffered years of male rejection, and female ridicule. So they get a thick shell, kind of like bowser.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

No, not trolling. I've actually decided I need some help figuring out how to bang a reasonably attractive girl.

That whole "just talk to a lot of girls" doesn't do anything. (It's not bad advice, though.)

I think a lot of stories make it seem easier than it is.

[littleG]

I can only give you my 2 cents and hopefully enough people on here will do the same and you'll end up with a dollar. Lil Wayne say's "They say I'm a dog, but all these bitches want puppies." You gotta be a dog, man. A dog off the leash-- unapologetic when it comes to these hoes. They (women) don't actually know what they want, but one things for sure is they want the best puppies they can get. Be more aggressive with women. The degree to which you can be assertive and aggressive while still maintaining the illusion of class, IMO, will have an impact on your results.

It's not an answer, but it's direction.

-PJ

[RexImperator]

I don't know... When I act even slightly "assholish" it seems like some girls just get butthurt.

[WestIndianArchie]

Reading the threads you've started over the years, it looks like
- you don't know what game is
- you don't now what you're doing
- whatever you're doing, you're half-assing

The central understanding of game is simple

If I change my behavior with women, my success with women changes.

That's it.

Your looks, clothes, your muscles, your bank roll, your living situation, your social circle - none of that shit matters. Those things helps the man with the right behavior, and hurt the man that does not have it.

Only your behavior matters.

WIA

[RexImperator]

(04-24-2016 10:01 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Reading the threads you've started over the years, it looks like
- you don't know what game is
- you don't know what you're doing
- whatever you're doing, you're half-assing

I agree. I have changed my behavior but I haven't found the right behavior that works.

[XPQ22]

(04-24-2016 10:01 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Your looks, clothes, your muscles, your bank roll, your living situation, your social circle - none of that shit matters. Those things helps the man with the right behavior, and hurt the man that does not have it.

Only your behavior matters.

WIA

My idea of game:

Game is the words that come out of your mouth. Everything else is logistics.

[Dantes]

Rex

I suggest you reach out to some experienced forum members. Offer to buy them a drink and pick their brains a bit on your situation. If you connect with some of them, use this time to observe how they interact with women. There is only so much theoretical information that wee need. You need to see how it is done in reality and then select 2 or 3 goals over a 6 month period to work on.

[Vaun]

I have made a few drunken posts. Usually after getting blown out, or an incredible lay. Its at times like these you compress all of your frustrations into 5-6am.

I would only say that Rex, you have made a few other posts like this in the past. One I remember was how to meet new people. I would respond by asking you if you are doing exactly it is, you want to do in life? Are you free to move, go anywhere, or do anything you want? Are you locked down by a depressing LTR, job, marriage, business, etc? At this point I would put it all out there. Ask yourself, am I really in the place I want to be in life.

[The Lizard of Oz]

RI,

I have some advice that you may find surprising, and that may seem to contradict much of what you read on the forum or elsewhere in the 'sphere. Nevertheless, I think it's what is best for you.

Forget about "game"; forget about weekend bar approaches; forget about trying to change your behavior with women in any particular way.

You need to deeply relax in your life. You have no success with women and no natural way with them. But you don't strike me as a particularly unhappy guy. You said pointedly in a different thread that you are not "depressed", and I believe you. You have a lively mind and many different interests that you can enjoy.

You need to let go of the idea that success with women -- as you define it -- is the only or main source of interest and satisfaction. In truth, there are many men who have success with women as you would see it -- meaning, they are able to get them into bed one way or another -- who derive relatively little satisfaction from that part of their lives, whether physical or emotional, beyond the merest satisfaction of checking off a mark that they feel is required to be complete as a man.

I feel that many of your "approaches" have that slightly formal quality -- it's as if you're trying to "succeed" with a woman just so you can satisfy some formal requirement which really only exists in your mind. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that you are especially starved for female affection, nor overcome with lust and desire. Even a 4 or a 5 at a bar does not want to merely be the provider of someone's abstract validation or the fulfiller of a tic of sorts. Women smell that off of you, they know that you neither especially desire them nor especially need them, whether you yourself know it or not.

You should let go of this and just relax into your life. Like I said, I think you're doing fine, maybe better than you know. You can enjoy your work, your reading, your lifts, and so many other things; you can still enjoy them even if you weekend approaches are for naught -- indeed, even if they never happen at all. You should also realize that while you are no longer very young, there is no particular rush, and a man's mature prime goes on for a very long time, some decades. There is no pressure of any kind.

If you want to do something that, over time, will give you a better chance of meeting a woman that you can have some relationship with, do this: to the extent that you want to and feel like it, become more social; develop -- again, slowly and organically -- a social circle that allows you to meet people that are close to you in interests, personality, and disposition. This could be in your work, some hobby, some organization that you feel drawn to, or whatever.

Don't do this particularly to meet a woman -- do this because it would be an enjoyable addition to your life and a way to extend and enlarge it. But over time, and if you do this in a relaxed and unpressured way, this may well result in your meeting a woman who sees you as you are when you are not subject to the pressure to "approach"; and it is not impossible that this may lead to something. But again, don't do it for that reason, realize that it is not the only or even primary desirable outcome of any such social activity.

Other than that, just completely let go of the pressure to master "game", to score some "notches", to break a long "dry spell", etc. Realize that your life is pretty good as it is, and that you're wasting time by making yourself feel a dissatisfaction that is not really necessary. Why waste another day when you can just enjoy it instead?

Again, this is not what most other guys here would tell you. But these things have to be treated on a case by case basis, and from reading your posts and taking a general temperature, it's what I feel to be best in your case. Try it and see where you are in a year -- if indeed, you still have time to post here between all the other things you're doing with that girlfriend you met at that social activity.