[Phoenix]

There is an interesting article written by Steve Pavlina (some kind of motivational guy I think) after he started and then closed his own forum. Very insightful.

On bans, he said:

Quote:

The mods easily handled the routine items, but when it came to controversial bans involving one of the regulars, they had a hard time pulling the trigger. They frequently opted to keep giving warnings instead. But this response amounts to what’s called intermittent reinforcement conditioning. Effectively this rewards the negative behavior and conditions the offender to do more of the same by proving that s/he can get away with it. So things gradually got worse during this time, and some members quit the forums because of it. I don’t blame them.

When I decided to look into fixing these problems, I tightened standards and reminded mods that we shouldn’t be giving members half a dozen warnings. The rules are simple and not at all difficult to follow. But when the next incident came up which seemed pretty clear cut, they still hesitated. I could see the mods were agreed on the right call, but it was hard for anyone to step up and take responsibility for it. So I sped things along because it would have been worse not to act quickly. Then I had to deal with the banned guy emailing me to complain and then trash-talking me elsewhere. Truth is he’d been behaving like a jerk for a long time and should have been banned much sooner. Some forum members expressed great appreciation that he was finally kicked out.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2011/12...he-forums/

[komatiite]

(04-12-2016 03:17 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

we have to deal with some insane Anti-Trump Cultural Marxist Feminist Militant LGBTQs and BLMs who have never....

Haha if Deepdiver ever gets banned and comes back with a new name he would be the biggest giveaway when he goes on those classic labeling riffs.

DD you would be proud - on the day after Brexit I was stuck in my truck for a while waiting to pick someone up at the airport and the local AM talk radio show was taking calls. I got on and rattled off like ten labels for lefties.

"An amazing coalition of disenfranchised Labour voters teamed up with Nationalist Ukips and Pro Business Tories to take down the Pro LGBTQ, IslamoMarxist Obamunist, Climate Fanatics, Progressive Mind Rot with a single cross on a voting ballot to take back the West!"

Well, it wasn't that smooth, I kind of choked with the pressure of Being on the Radio, but I did my best DD impression! Always cracks me up when I see those riffs of yours.

[Merenguero]

[i]

(07-12-2016 08:13 PM)nek Wrote:  

I wanted to ask this in the "Banned Members Explanation" thread but it has closed. Why was Anabasis to Desta permanently banned? I saw the 7-day ban but didn't see as to when it was decided to make it a permanent ban.

That thread has always been closed. It can only be reopened by Roosh and possibly Tuthmosis, Soma, and I.R.T.

[OGNorCal707]

I know of a banned member who is back under a new alias that has posted on this thread, even though I figured him out and he was a douche to me, I still decided not to drop a dime, because I ain't no snitch.

[Chauncey]

(07-12-2016 09:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I wish Anabasis were back. They were insulting eachother, it wasn't one-sided. I would think that'd be like a suspension.

I agree. He was a good contributor. His problem was he could get emotional in some threads, but he almost always was open minded to hearing others' opinions.

His banning was uncalled for. There are a few high rep members who disliked him so it was only a matter of time before he got axed.

The guy that Anabasis called out before he got banned deserved it, his comments in question were pretty racist. Anabasis making fun of his looks was not a manly way to respond, but that dude was acting like a straight up bitch. It was good to see someone call him out, even if it was RVF suicide.

If I get suspended or banned for stating the obvious, so be it.

[TravelerKai]

(07-13-2016 03:01 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 09:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I wish Anabasis were back. They were insulting eachother, it wasn't one-sided. I would think that'd be like a suspension.

I agree. He was a good contributor. His problem was he could get emotional in some threads, but he almost always was open minded to hearing others' opinions.

His banning was uncalled for. There are a few high rep members who disliked him so it was only a matter of time before he got axed.

The guy that Anabasis called out before he got banned deserved it, his comments in question were pretty racist. Anabasis making fun of his looks was not a manly way to respond, but that dude was acting like a straight up bitch. It was good to see someone call him out, even if it was RVF suicide.

If I get suspended or banned for stating the obvious, so be it.

Are you serious? Yeah because everyone with 100+ reps met on a Thursday and told Roosh to flush him down the toilet because we thought he was a flash runt.

You calling Forney a little bitch for no good reason sounds like you are headed towards a ban your own self. If Desta got banned for insulting a member like you just did, with 80 reps under his belt, what do you think is going to happen to you?

Stop spreading bullshit lies an conjecture about the forum. There is no conspiracy around here.

[Irenicus]

(07-13-2016 03:01 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 09:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I wish Anabasis were back. They were insulting eachother, it wasn't one-sided. I would think that'd be like a suspension.

I agree. He was a good contributor. His problem was he could get emotional in some threads, but he almost always was open minded to hearing others' opinions.

His banning was uncalled for. There are a few high rep members who disliked him so it was only a matter of time before he got axed.

The guy that Anabasis called out before he got banned deserved it, his comments in question were pretty racist. Anabasis making fun of his looks was not a manly way to respond, but that dude was acting like a straight up bitch. It was good to see someone call him out, even if it was RVF suicide.

If I get suspended or banned for stating the obvious, so be it.

I never had anything against A2D (I have a soft spot for Ethiopians, because I have served with several of them, cool guys by the way), but attacking Matt Forney (as well as Aron Clarey, aka Cappy) in such a disrespectful manner was really way over the top (I saw his posts) and deserved a sanction of some sort.


You are free to disagree, but do so in a polite, civilized manner. Don't behave like a little bitch. A2D did not do that, unfortunately.


By the way,I also do not agree with Matt and Aaron 100% on most things (in fact, I do not ever agree 100% with anyone), but I recognize the fact that they have contributed to the manosphere much more than I probably ever will.

[Phoenix]

Anabasis had a temper, he attacked one of Roosh's colleagues (ran his old gamergate themed blog and writes for ROK) as strongly as he could, the logical result is ban. Get over it.

[Killer Joe]

(04-11-2016 05:23 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

No one will be unbanned. No exceptions.

I remember VolandoVengoVolandoVoy a while back disrespected you in your own house, and you rightfully banned him permantently.

Then, you broke your own rule (or one of your mods went behind your back) and VVVV was misteriously back one day.

He posted for a few months, then was banned again seemingly for no reason.

How come?

[churros]

(07-13-2016 08:38 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Anabasis had a temper, he attacked one of Roosh's colleagues (ran his old gamergate themed blog and writes for ROK) as strongly as he could, the logical result is ban. Get over it.

Decisions like this will shape the future character of the forum. Has Forney posted on game lately?

[Mercenary]

People seem to think that the moderators ban high rep members at the drop of a hat, or for 1 single thing they posted.
That's not exactly how it always works....we have a warning level system in place.

If a high rep member gets banned he either did something totally unacceptable, or he already had a few (or several) warnings under his belt (that we might not know about) but chose to disregard them, and kept up his disrespectful behavior.




...

[Phoenix]

Frankly, I don't even know why Anabasis got so popular so quick. Perhaps someone could fully candidly explain this.

LINUX I can understand -- his products on this forum, his epic Colombia thread, fully justify his rapid repping. I don't follow or recall what Anabasis did that warranted his extremely high like rate and rapid popularity rise. Meanwhile we have figures like Scotch who contributed probably one of the most valuable approach studies in this whole forum, sits on a handful of reps.

I am absolutely fine with Anabasis being gone. I don't feel anything valuable has been lost (like I did with killface). He demonstrated his temper more than once, he thought if he just gets angry enough he will prevail (indeed other members as we see here agree in their siding with him), and this has lead to him being clipped. It was the right thing to do to preserve the peace.

On 'what has Forney contributed lately', that's not the rule at play. Communities need 'pillars', who get the benefit of the doubt, to maintain cohesion and structure in the community. I'm sure we all know a figure or two with a high rep we'd like to fully express our feelings towards and about, but we cannot on pain of ban because that is what is necessary to maintain order.

[MiscBrah]

(07-13-2016 09:06 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Frankly, I don't even know why Anabasis got so popular so quick.

Haha I don't know either. Every once in awhile he dropped a phenomenal post. Other than that, I think its just because he was a memorable guy. Notice how we are still talking about him weeks after his ban.

This is probably one of my favorite AtD posts.
thread-54896...pid1268508

This is another one of his great posts
thread-54896-post-1268510.html#pid1268508

[Mercenary]

(07-13-2016 09:06 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Frankly, I don't even know why Anabasis got so popular so quick. Perhaps someone could fully candidly explain this.

AnonymousBosch explained it here:
thread-55735...pid1299234

[churros]

(07-13-2016 09:09 AM)MiscBrah Wrote:  

Notice how we are still talking about him weeks after his ban.

Partially this flared up because I came across an old PM. I was prompting him to post a datasheet on Ethiopia, but saw that he was banned...

[Phoenix]

We're still talking about NTP too... Not to mention LittleDark, who's chief achievement was being hilariously full of shit. Come to think of it... same reason...

[Mercenary]

(07-13-2016 09:20 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Not to mention LittleDark, who's chief achievement was being hilariously full of shit. Come to think of it... same reason...

[Enigma]

(07-13-2016 08:38 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Anabasis had a temper, he attacked one of Roosh's colleagues (ran his old gamergate themed blog and writes for ROK) as strongly as he could, the logical result is ban. Get over it.

Is there a rule against criticizing Roosh's colleagues?

Hey, it's Roosh's forum, and he can obviously run it however he wants. But if that's the case, it'd be great to get some sort of clarification.

To be clear, I thought Anabasis posting the pic of that girl was a little over the line, but that was only after Forney -- who has a habit of provoking people and seems to only post on the forum when there's drama -- escalated the situation.

The insulting was a two-way street.

Also, I disagree that calling a guy overweight and questioning his ability to get pussy is attacking someone as strongly as you can. Seems like pretty basic shit talk between men.

This is the same forum that started "fat shaming week", after all.

(07-13-2016 09:06 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Frankly, I don't even know why Anabasis got so popular so quick. Perhaps someone could fully candidly explain this.

LINUX I can understand -- his products on this forum, his epic Colombia thread, fully justify his rapid repping. I don't follow or recall what Anabasis did that warranted his extremely high like rate and rapid popularity rise. Meanwhile we have figures like Scotch who contributed probably one of the most valuable approach studies in this whole forum, sits on a handful of reps.

I am absolutely fine with Anabasis being gone. I don't feel anything valuable has been lost (like I did with killface). He demonstrated his temper more than once, he thought if he just gets angry enough he will prevail (indeed other members as we see here agree in their siding with him), and this has lead to him being clipped. It was the right thing to do to preserve the peace.

On 'what has Forney contributed lately', that's not the rule at play. Communities need 'pillars', who get the benefit of the doubt, to maintain cohesion and structure in the community. I'm sure we all know a figure or two with a high rep we'd like to fully express our feelings towards and about, but we cannot on pain of ban because that is what is necessary to maintain order.

Yes, communities also have varying opinions. A lot of people found value in AtD's posts and thought he was one of the better posters to join the forum as of late.

I honestly have no idea who killface is, but I have no doubt that many enjoyed his insights.

By the way, almost every "pillar" of the community has been criticized and/or attacked at some point, including many of them having entire threads dedicated to questioning their advice and/or very existence.

Like I said, it's Roosh's forum and Roosh's rules.

But saying we can't criticize "pillars" is a backwards rationalization, as I've never seen anyone above being called out in the 4 years I've been here. That's exactly how the community keeps each other honest.

[Phoenix]

^ Well pillars are allowed to call each other out, as happened recently. If Anabasis had stopped short of the photo he might've been OK. Going searching for dirt on another high ranking member is excessive. He didn't read his 48 laws. Fighting the king's friends isn't the way because you spoil his peace -- you criticize them in the direction of the king, that they may fall from favour by the king's own rules of virtue.

And you must search and check out killface. He was a suspected big baller troll who turned out to be legit on every single claim, before balking at the excessive criticism and getting banned. He's probably off enjoying a casual FFFM foursome now on a bed of cash.

[hydrogonian]

(07-13-2016 09:09 AM)MiscBrah Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:06 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Frankly, I don't even know why Anabasis got so popular so quick.

Haha I don't know either. Every once in awhile he dropped a phenomenal post. Other than that, I think its just because he was a memorable guy. Notice how we are still talking about him weeks after his ban.

This is probably one of my favorite AtD posts.
thread-54896...pid1268508

This is another one of his great posts
thread-54896-post-1268510.html#pid1268508

Anabasis was a balanced thinker. I thought that his thought-out posts had a generally higher quality than average. He also had a unique cultural perspective.

[Enigma]

(07-13-2016 09:48 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

^ Well pillars are allowed to call each other out, as happened recently. If Anabasis had stopped short of the photo he might've been OK. Going searching for dirt on another high ranking member is excessive. He didn't read his 48 laws. Fighting the king's friends isn't the way because you spoil his peace -- you criticize them in the direction of the king, that they may fall from favour by the king's own rules of virtue.

And you must search and check out killface. He was a suspected big baller troll who turned out to be legit on every single claim, before balking at the excessive criticism and getting banned. He's probably off enjoying a casual FFFM foursome now on a bed of cash.

Ohhh, I remember that thread now. I just didn't recognize the name.