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Ugly Guy Game
04-11-2016, 02:23 AM
What should a guy with a decent body but ugly face expect when it comes to frequency of lays? The time I invest in gaming women makes it almost not worth it. It seems like the only way I can get laid with a decent looking girl (6) is to lie about wanting a relationship and try to juggle multiple relationships at once. Problem is I don't have much time for a relationship with work and hobbies so I don't want to have to commit the time to a relationship when all I really want is a few fuck buddies to get laid with.
I can't even get girls to meet up with me if we are anywhere that sex could go down. So one night stands are pretty much out of the question unless I lower my standards to 3-4's and below. I don't have a social circle but I'm in my mid 20's now so I think social circle game isn't as important as in late teens early 20's.
If I come across as cocky or an asshole persona women who are not receptive call me ugly. Some of these women are even 4's and 5's. Enough of them say it that I'm pretty sure I'm below average looks wise.
I'm really just not sure at this point how to get the most value in bangs for my time.
I would appreciate advice from guys who are clearly below average looking facially because I don't think good looking guys really understand how much more difficult things get when you have that working against you from the start.
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04-11-2016, 02:54 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but it comes across as if you're self-conscious about how you look. If you're way below average in looks, my advice would be to simply have fun with it. When they ask what you do, say you're a hat model or some shit like that. Make it clear that you're not fazed by your weakness. If it's not a big deal to you, it's not a big deal to them. After all, genetics are just luck. If you played the lottery today without winning, would you take it personally?
I'm not God's gift to modelling agencies, but I doubt my face detracts from my value, so I can't really give you advice on where to focus your time. With that said, I would assume online dating isn't going to be your forte since it's basically a line-up. On the other hand, night game in a dimly lit bar when girls have their beer-goggles on shouldn't be a problem for you.
Edit to add: Many girls, especially the 3s and 4s, have no idea how ugly they are. Just because they call you ugly, it doesn't mean that's actually the case.
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Ugly Guy Game
04-11-2016, 05:52 AM
Disregarding the aspect of lacking confidence and how that may affect your game. Have you considered online game with just showing your body? You will probably not get the top shelf aka 9-10, but you can most definitely land 6-7. I myself have even created a "fake" tinder account with just one classy shady picture, not even showing my body that much, with a much more direct line in my bio and I match with some decent looking girls even on this one. It can´t be compared to by my regular tinder, but I would give it a go if I were you. Hell, even craigslist can be useful if you have a decent body and a good post (depending on where you live though as it is not so common worldwide). I think I saw a decent thread about gaming on craigslist here, search the forum.
Is there any way you can alter your appearance? Grow/remove facial hair, get a new trendy haircut, use facial creme to remove bad skin. In general, take good care of your looks, dress well and make an effort. It should get you further.
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04-11-2016, 11:04 AM
How you make a chick feel >>>>>> than looks.
Anyone who says different is a game denialist.
There are things that you can do to improve your passive game, whether or not a chick digs you based on her initial impression of your external look, BUT your time will always be better spent working on your socialization skills. Aka game.
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Ugly Guy Game
04-11-2016, 03:23 PM
I think I know where OP is coming from. I don't have the most symmetrical face and it often seems like girls are more attracted to other guys more quickly than me.
For a long time I thought this was about my looks. It's really not.
Feedback from women isn't trustworthy. How many guys out there are hearing "he's just a friend, I wouldn't cheat on a sensitive, attentive guy like you." Or "I'm not having sex with you tonight."
Women lie to you and to themselves so you really can't rely on their feedback about your looks and I can't give less of a shit what other men say about me.
If you think you're ugly, maybe you are but maybe you're just in need of confidence.
Looks might help but all guys are different. I know a bunch of guys who are considered better looking and in better shape who tell me they wish they had my height.
You're the one saying these things are in your way and that's the only reason they are.
That said, I think ugly guy game could be a thing. It might just be a mindset though. Essentially, if people are labeling you with a weakness just owning it might improve your response.
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Ugly Guy Game
04-11-2016, 04:29 PM
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You have to admit though that attracting quality women has become increasingly dependent on facial looks/social status over the past 5-10 years with women having more options than ever at their fingertips.
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I agree with you. In the West generally when you seeing 8 walking down the street with a guy, 90% of the time she not dating down unless he is rich or it's
through social circle.
Even low 5-6's who just want a fuck buddy have options, they rather have somebody good looking and younger or at least in great shape.
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Ugly Guy Game
04-11-2016, 04:29 PM
Gotcha. I know you're trying but you're asking the wrong question. I'm not going to validate your lack of success by saying that ugly guys can't get as much pussy as attractive ones.
The efficiency thing is very interesting. I'd like to digress a little in saying that if you want more access to women than you think your job allows, consider either wanting less women or getting another job.
I don't agree that looks are as important as many of the guys in this thread have suggested. I think "social status" is a learnable skill.
So no, I don't admit or agree that looks and social status are more important now than before. I also don't think that line of thinking makes any sense or is in the least bit helpful.
You can build a social circle, it's doable regardless of the job you have. I don't think anyone here is going to say you can only approach girls with a certain look or in a certain demographic.
If that's what you're looking for then hit up the pua crowd (again?) and we'll see you back here when it fails to fulfill your needs.
I guess my point here is that if you're saying you aren't going to try to fuck dimes/find a high-value woman because it's too hard, then fuck you.
If you're trying to say you see your looks getting in your way and want to find a way to still bang dimes/find a high-value woman, welcome to the forum.
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