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Hi.
I'm from the UK and i'm new to all of this.
Well, not completely new...... I remember loads of my friends trying all of the PUA stuff about 8 years ago or so (teaching me all kinds of new words like 'kino' and 'negging' etc etc)
But I never got interested in it because it never worked for any of them!
The only guys who pulled ass were the really good looking friends of mine, and they had no game from what I could see!

Deep down I know it's mainly about looks, but I can't deny that there are people who are as ugly as me who do a lot better than me, so there is obviously at least an element of 'game' involved.

I'm one of the most pathetic members here.
In my late 20's. I have had a few sexual experiences in my time, but most of them were from a good 5 or so years ago, and a lot of that success was due to being friends with someone who was somewhat of a local celebrity, and he'd give me his 'cast offs' or i'd be able to pull girls as a result of being friends with this guy.

So at the moment i'm really wanting to get some 'recent' notches under my belt, but i'll be honest in that it's as hard as hell.
There's guys I kind of know who get lots of sex with hot chavs, but these guys are chavs themselves (guys who come from broken homes, are always in trouble with the police, no job, violent, smoke weed all day, in council housing on an estate etc) and these hot chav girls will only ever let other chavs get a piece of them.
Since i'm not a chav, they are out-of -bounds which is a shame, as they are very easy to sleep with from what I gather (if you are in their social circle)

So i'm left with the more normal girls. I mainly try to meet them in bars and clubs and stuff.
I only make a few approaches a night at the moment when i'm out with friends. Most of my friends have settled down with girlfriends, so i'm left with the other single guys who are useless with girls aswell!

I've also downloaded tinder about 2 months ago.
I've had maybe 60 matches. Some fairly hot girls.
but i've never got remotely close to getting a date with one of them.
It seems as though girls use tinder merely to boost their ego and get validation. I wonder if peoples tinder sex stories are just online lies!!
If I mention meeting up or give them a compliment or something, it scares them away, If I keep it friendly at get them laughing and stuff, it soon turns into more of a friends texting each other thing and it just fizzles out.
It kind of feels that the only way to bang on tinder is to be very very good looking, and then to outright ask in your first or second message to meet them.

My dream would be to get with a few girls who are like 18-20 or so.
I'm much more attracted to younger girls.
If I could bang a virgin i'd die a happy man!

But it feels like travelling to the otherside of the world and paying money for hookers is my best shot!!

Are there any UK people here who were bad at pulling girls and have got better?
I feel that there is such a huge difference in brit girls vs american girls.
American girls seem much more friendlier and open to conversation with strangers.
UK girls often seem to be 'creeped out' if someone they don't konw talks to them!

How do you UK guys typically approach girls in the UK, say in a bar or something.
It's like, in the south east near london, sometimes just walking up to a girl and smiling and saying 'hi!' (as is the most popular advice I see) get's a kind of ''errrr.....Do I KNOW you??!!'' kind of reply and they become very guarded. They almost seem offended, and it's impossible to 'pull it back'

And sometimes I feel as though there is no such thing as GAME. Why? Well it seems as though different girls respond differently to different approaches and stuff anyway. So it makes you think ''well in that case, I may as well just be myself and talk normally and not think about any of this game stuff''.
Being 'cocky and funny' might impress one girl, but the girl in the bar down the road might think you are a bit of an arrogant prick.
Is the idea that 'game' will get you a higher percentage of success with the majority of girls, but that of course there is no one-size-fits-all approach that will work on all girls?

And I also read so much conflicting advice from self-proclaimed experts. Some say you must be very direct straight away and be sexual.
Others say you need to be frienfly and just get them laughing and don't scare them off with being sexual until later.
Some say you need to be a bad boy and give off a moody, arrogant, couldn't-care-less vibe.
Some say it's all about being FUN! Be someone they want to be around
Some say being 'fun' will get you friend-zoned etc etc.

[Phoenix]

"UK girls often seem to be 'creeped out' if someone they don't konw talks to them!"

Do they do that if you're a big man? You're the guy who parked his Ferrari outside? You're ripped? Your reputation precedes you? You're cool? You're the best at something? You're the exotic traveler? You're the hella smart guy who takes no shit and submits to no one?

All sexual success can be improved by improving yourself, or buying a ticket on a transport service.

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(04-09-2016 09:32 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

"UK girls often seem to be 'creeped out' if someone they don't konw talks to them!"

Do they do that if you're a big man?
You're the guy who parked his Ferrari outside?
You're ripped?
Your reputation precedes you?
You're cool?
You're the best at something?
You're the exotic traveler?
You're the hella smart guy who takes no shit and submits to no one?

Out of that list, the only ones that would 'change' things would be ''if your reputation precedes you'' (obviously if you were like a celebrity then you've already won and can 'pull; whoever you want!)
And possibly ''being ripped'' (but only if you're lucky enough to approach a girl who's really into muscles. But Not all girls are. In fact loads of girls aren't!) One of my single friends mentioned in the first post is actually a major muscley gym rat. I guess he thinks if he's gets bug and muscley enough it's save him. My friends who pull the most tend to look more or less 'normal' in terms of their physique. Slightly slim with a little muscle definition. It's all about their face in my opinion.
The ferrari would work on American girls at a guess, but UK girls don't seem impressed by money.

[Svoboda]

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So at the moment i'm really wanting to get some 'recent' notches under my belt, but i'll be honest in that it's as hard as hell.
There's guys I kind of know who get lots of sex with hot chavs, but these guys are chavs themselves (guys who come from broken homes, are always in trouble with the police, no job, violent, smoke weed all day, in council housing on an estate etc) and these hot chav girls will only ever let other chavs get a piece of them.
Since i'm not a chav, they are out-of -bounds which is a shame, as they are very easy to sleep with from what I gather (if you are in their social circle)

I'm guessing you need to get to chav level or communicate in chav frequency with them. These girls tend to focus on other stuff than you're used to. Get a Clio/Astra/Golf and pimp it out kind of style. I don't suggest you should actually get a car and do that. I just mean you're not communicating on their frequency. It's possible these girls think you are stuck up, just because you went to college/uni or have a job, etc. If anything it's more likely they think you look down on them than be in to them.

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The only guys who pulled ass were the really good looking friends of mine, and they had no game from what I could see!

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Deep down I know it's mainly about looks

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American girls seem much more friendlier and open to conversation with strangers.

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And sometimes I feel as though there is no such thing as GAME.

If you really believe that, then why are you here and not either at the gym getting swole or getting plastic surgery?

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So it makes you think ''well in that case, I may as well just be myself and talk normally and not think about any of this game stuff''.
Being 'cocky and funny' might impress one girl, but the girl in the bar down the road might think you are a bit of an arrogant prick.
Is the idea that 'game' will get you a higher percentage of success with the majority of girls, but that of course there is no one-size-fits-all approach that will work on all girls?

Dude you care way too much what people think of you. I'm going to say this is the source of your problems. Hell, even just looking at this post, it's a meandering stream of consciousness where you contradict yourself at least three times.

Relax a little. Stop worrying about how people will respond to you. Learn to just project your presence into the world without worrying about how people will react to it. From there you will find confidence.

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And I also read so much conflicting advice from self-proclaimed experts. Some say you must be very direct straight away and be sexual.
Others say you need to be frienfly and just get them laughing and don't scare them off with being sexual until later.
Some say you need to be a bad boy and give off a moody, arrogant, couldn't-care-less vibe.
Some say it's all about being FUN! Be someone they want to be around
Some say being 'fun' will get you friend-zoned etc etc.

You assume it's contradictory because you lack the 1st hand experience. Game and social interaction is chock full of nuance, situational scenarios, and unspoken rules. Once you've actually gone out and approached and tried various methods you will begin to see how there is in fact nothing contradictory in that above paragraph.


In other words: Approach.

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Hi, Red Pillage.
I'll address the GIF's first

I mean, I DO think that it's MAINLY about looks. I simply can't deny this. I've been out 2 or 3 nights per week for about a decade and I see what happens with my own eyes in terms of the guys who get all the girls.
HOWEVER, Like I said, there must be at least an element of 'game' since other people who are no better looking that me do a bit better.
Obviously they don't come close when compared to the really good looking guys, but they still do 'OK'.
I hope that's clearer.
I do believe in 'game', but more as a way to slightly improve on what is available to you based on your looks level.
If I was good at 'game' then I like to think I could bang a few 5's-6's every month or so if I approached a hell of a lot of girls on Friday and Satruday nights.

Regarding US girls being friendlier and more open to approach, again this is based on my experience.
I've been to the US a fair bit as my sister lives out there.
The main difference is in terms of talking to random people out on the street more so than in clubs/bars.
I guess you could call it' day game'.
I was always amazed at how Americans seem to chat to each other when they don't know each other.
UK people are basically famous for not doing this. We don't like talking to strangers much. It's part of the culture. We're not that social unless we know the person.
This thread is the first one I found at random to give you an idea:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthre...?t=2429350
(Although i've seen this discussed loads of various PUA forums, so surely i'm not the first person to notice this!)

And surely some of that advice IS contradictory, no?
Like ''be fun. Girls want a guy who's fun to be around'' and ''don't be 'fun', that gets you friend-zoned''

As for the rest, yes I probably do care too much what people think. Not sure one can change that about themsevles ?

And finally 'Approach'
That's fair advice.
I often think that basically 'game' really boils down to approaching lots and lots of girls. Game = being brave and trying your luck.
I certainly don't do it enough, I must admit.
Although I have done it a fair bit more than my current group of single friends do.
They all seem to have given up.
I still make sure to approach 2 or 3 girls on a night out. Doesn't tend to get me anywhere, but I'll certainly keep trying, though!

Cheers!

[Gustavus Adolphus]

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