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Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.
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Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

Quote: (03-24-2016 10:15 PM)spygoat Wrote:  

Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.
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However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)


In your opinion, what is the best way to 'spread red pill gospel'?

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Something relevant I posted in another thread:

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I would also caution those to not burn bridges with blue pill friends or acquaintances.

When I went through the whiplash phase, I became so extremely disgusted with blue pill/beta/pussified men that I started calling some of them out on it (hence, "The Black Knight"). One guy I use to know would just roll over for his significant other and wouldn't make a single decision in his life without the woman's approval. I basically told him very directly to get his balls back and we haven't talked much since.

One could argue that it's simply best to just cut people out like that and let them drown in their own shit; this is true in many cases. On the other hand, I can share common interests with people and have a good time with them despite their attitudes towards women/relationships/life. Losing those fun and fulfilling moments aren't always worth it to make a point in all instances.

I also see the value in dropping subtle red pill knowledge and being a beacon of example in how much better life can be like for other blue pill men. You can't force values and beliefs on to people arbitrarily but you can be available when they are ready and willing to listen. Burn your bridges and they will have no red pill guiding light when and if the moment arrives that they are looking for one.
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#27

Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

Marriage can be an expensive proposition , just ask these guys :
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#28

Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

I think the Black Knight hit it pretty dang close with his response. I disagree that things will change any time soon though, and it's not the women that really are the problem. The problem are the beta men, the ones that will do anything to keep an attractive woman around. That is problem #1, followed by the shitty laws that are not going to be changed any time soon!

Think about it, if you stand up red pill strong long enough, your woman will either fall in line, or else another blue pill ass kisser will come along and take your place. If you have any assets, then she's taking more than her share of that when she goes. Most of the good looking ones, which are the only ones I want anyway, will not put up with a red pill ass hole long, because there are too many betas with money to take your place. Women are more interested in security than looks, and there are more blue pill rich guys than you could ever count.

The answer is for men to stand up and realize that marriage is a death sentence and never commit the act, or convert every single man to red pill. I don't think you can ever convert all the betas, so that leaves the minority red pill bunch to understand you never marry, ever! We need to change the culture to one where men want to stay single as badly as over 30 women want to get married and reproduce.

I meet lot's of attractive women over 30, and they are often interested and eager to please until I tell them I will never marry them, then they either start trying to get pregnant, or they move along. They won't fuck you eagerly forever in most cases, because time is working against them and they know they won't have the one thing you want forever. Without good looks and sex appeal, their value will continue to dwindle until they are desperate, and not many will wait until that happens. They will move on, no matter how much they crave your rod!

So, in order to stay single and have an active sex life, us men have no choice but to spin plates and plow through women, because the attractive ones that pass 30 won't allow you to spin them very long in most cases. They will find a beta man to impregnate them and give them a great life and have that man kiss their pretty asses, that won't stay pretty very long. And once they get bored with you, which they always do, even the good girls, they will make your life a living hell and probably find them a new man as well if they can.

If you play the red pill game and toughen up, there are 1,000 more blue piller's ready to step in and give a good looking woman anything she wants in hopes of scoring her. It's not until after the honeymoon that she will show her true colors and that is when most of of the millions of eager betas will become red pill, if even then!!! When it's too late and the woman is either divorcing them or making their life so miserable that they divorce her, only she leaves with all of their (your) money and toys, and maybe even half or more of their (your) business if they (you) are self employed and doing well.

Society, our culture and the laws are on the women's side, and the millions and millions of beta men in the West will allow the trend to continue for longer than any of us will live. The only thing that will change this is when there is a catastrophic change where women are truly reliant on men to survive again with no law to ensure you have to support them. When it becomes survival of the fittest, that is when women will bow down again and drop to their knees any time you say and make absolute certain that you are never unhappy with them.

Think about it, even in the bible, men had concubines! Why is that? Because even then, after giving birth to their children, their million dollar snatches dried up and they stopped having sex with the men. Back then though, the men just added another plate to his harem and moved on. The culture and the laws were more favorable to men in those days, so men could replace or add another woman readily and easily for any reason. So yea, this shit has been going on since the beginning of time, but now women have more rights than we do as men, so they have turned the tables on us and they have both society, culture and the law in their favor.

It's not changing any time soon men! Face the facts... we have to find a way to change the laws so that if a woman chooses to leave a marriage without reasonable cause, she leaves with what she brought to the table or with what she actually helped earn. Until then, women have the upper hand and we will always lose if we make the marriage mistake.

Women want a man to reproduce and to support them, but at the same time, they want to be liberated and our culture and laws are set up to give them just that....their cake and they can eat it as well. They don't want to cook, clean, change diapers, etc. Many don't even want to work in any way. And if they choose to be like this, what can you do other than leave them and give up most of what you earned in your life.

Women just want to be lazy, have fun, have babies and have men kiss their ass. Most don't want sex much either about 4 or 5 years after they have their last kid. Sex won't even be mid way up their importance list, so you not only won't be fed and your home won't be clean, you won't get much sex either! Of course unless you do the earning, cooking, cleaning and can go without sex. If you can do that and be happy, then get married my friend, because that's what you have waiting for you down the road.

Yes, we men have to get organized and start a men's movement and get things changed. Otherwise, we have to refuse to ever marry a woman, plain and simple. If I sound bitter, well, it's because I am bitter. I'm bitter my father never warned me, because I didn't know any better and I married a beautiful woman that was great for 15 years. After that, my life has been a shell of itself and I am mad, bitter, pissed off, horny, broke, and many more adjectives that you don't care to hear. And I got this way for simply loving a woman and working my ass off to provide for her and the kids. I got screwed, but not in the way you would want to be screwed!
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#29

Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

I want to add one other thought to this thread. Many of you may think I'm crazy, but in the end, I think what is going on is part of the global plan to dilute public wealth. With the laws the way they are, and with divorce rates well over 50% and climbing daily, no one will be able to maintain their wealth. Our wealth is being spread out and diluted. Men are being kept down and in working man's mode in order to survive after marriage. Look at the link on post #27. Even very wealthy men are being raped financially in divorce now.

If I'm right, and I bet I am, then the laws are not going to swing in the favor of men any time soon. Understand that we are not only fighting the women's movement and our current laws and culture, but we are also fighting a losing battle against the powers that run things behind the scenes. Call me a conspirator, but I believe this to be the truth.
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#30

Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.

Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.

In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?

Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:

Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.

If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs

And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.

As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.

The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.

That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.

However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):

1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.

2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.

3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).

4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)

5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.

The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.

Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.

Good post.

To be honest, I think even non-Western women will cheat if the right circumstances present themselves. It happens less because those women are often financially dependent on their husbands and community ostracism is much stronger.

Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of conservative immigrant families (Arabs, Mid Easterners, Indians) with promiscuous daughters. So if you want a woman who behaves differently, you have to marry from outside the US and probably choose a rural area. Even then, a lot of those women are manipulative and cunning.

I think human society is quickly transitioning away from emphasizing stable beta provider traits (money, family reputation, community standing) and towards emphasizing alpha traits (good looks, charisma, being entertaining). The West is already there and the non-Western countries are quickly moving in that direction (especially women under age 30). I think the pervasive influence of movies, the internet, and social media is having a huge influence even in conservative regions of the world.
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#31

Marriage/LTR etc. thoughts after overdosing on red pills.

Quote: (03-30-2016 07:13 PM)jimmysax54 Wrote:  

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15 years is a good run. It will take time, I think taking small steps toward being thankful for a good relationship that long and also I am guessing your kids still like you and they turned out well.

Don't let it eat the rest of your life.

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If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
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