[egionesco]

Alright guys,

I am a recently-divorced 35-year-old about to begin some marathon approach sessions on April 1st. I anticipate struggling a lot as while I have had a bit of success recently (for the first time in my life) with girls who are interested in me (I teach a class, my students love me and some of them will sleep with me, some of those will isolate themselves and it's a slam dunk), I have almost no experience in social situations. I am extremely uncomfortable and in my head at bars and parties, etc.

However, I am a totally different person with my students, where I ooze dominance, demand respect, and tease the living shit out of everyone. So I need to take this personality and pretend I'm that guy everywhere else.

This is perhaps a bit rudimentary, but I'm struggling with the Day Game script. Can you really just start talking to people about phones and computers as if you are a braindead moron?

Second, I think I have some nice pieces of bait: I have a (completely useless) Ph.D., I teach for a company that sends me to different cities throughout the US, I made my living as a professional gambler for five years, and I've been on Jeopardy!. Where I currently live, I notice that girls are amazed by utterly stupid crap, like the fact that I've lived in NY and Los Angeles.

So I guess I'll start this thread here and pick it up again in early April, but the thing I would like the most input on are what pieces of bait should I drop? And, how the hell do I keep a straight face while asking dumb questions?

[Sketness]

You need to change your attitude if you want to succeed. Statements like"how do I keep a straight face while asking dumb questions" is not the positive upbeat FUN attitude that is going to get you what you want.

1. Change your attitude, with all due respect, you sound like a dick
2.The best part about being a dick ,is that you don't have to be a dick tomorrow.
3. Look at life from a positive standpoint
4. Most people like to be around cool, non jugemental people. You first have to practice those qualities before you can project them on others
5. You have done a lot of cool shit, so let your cool shit speak for themselves instead of bragging about them
6. Keep learning,reading and improving every day and you'll be ok

[egionesco]

Thanks so much for the feedback, sketness. I take to heart what you are saying.

I may have come across as a dick- I think some of it is just self-deprecation + lack of confidence-- but I really was just channeling stuff that I read in Day Game-- the idea of a clueless old man. I mean, some of the questions Roosh is asking in those sets are incredibly stupid, I think he would admit it himself. I think because of my lack of confidence I've never been one to be open about asking questions about things I did not know, instead pretending to know everything.

I guess I really need to just try it out and see what works for me. I have the advantage of only being in my current city for another three months, so it's essential that I get out there and fail so I can work out kinks now.

(03-14-2016 08:15 PM)Sketness Wrote:  

You need to change your attitude if you want to succeed. Statements like"how do I keep a straight face while asking dumb questions" is not the positive upbeat FUN attitude that is going to get you what you want.

1. Change your attitude, with all due respect, you sound like a dick
2.The best part about being a dick ,is that you don't have to be a dick tomorrow.
3. Look at life from a positive standpoint
4. Most people like to be around cool, non jugemental people. You first have to practice those qualities before you can project them on others
5. You have done a lot of cool shit, so let your cool shit speak for themselves instead of bragging about them
6. Keep learning,reading and improving every day and you'll be ok

[Sketness]

The whole point of the "elderly openers" is just to appear normal.

The elderly opener is ment to project that:
- you are a curious individual, who is constantly taking note of his surroundings and commenting on certain aspects that interest you.

The opener dosent have to be spectacular , it just has to be observant.

You seem like a smart guy. Getting a PH.D. Is no small task. I imagine that somewhere along the way to getting the higest degree in your field, you've had to pay attention to small details.

Use that same skill to observe your surroundings.

You see a girl you like…pause and observe.
- what is she wearing
- what ethnicity is she
- what is she doing: is she shopping/on a laptop
- does she have a necklace,if so what does it say, where could she have gotten it from
- look at her nails, are they French tips, do they match, what color are they,could that color be her favorite color

So there is a lot to observe about a girl. You just have to pick somthing to roll with.

The elderly opener in Day Game,was just a small templet list of topics you can open with. Though if you open your mind, the possibility are limitless

[egionesco]

Well, I did it. I messed up, but I feel awesome.

I just did my first ever nighttime bar approach last night. Chilling at a bar with a couple of my students, there's a 9 wandering around dressed way too nice, she goes over and stands at a ledge far away from everyone and is playing on her phone.

I say, eff it, I'll start my approach career with a 9. So I did. And it went pretty well, I just didn't know it, or forgot it, or talked myself out of it.

The play-by-play:

I walk over like I'm headed out and before I leave bust on her for coming to a bar and hiding on her phone. I'm using pieces from Roosh but a lot of it is flooding. It was made easy because she was doing her homework, reading about a sociologist that I knew about, and there are some crazy stories involving him that I shared with her. This was a perfect setup, by accident.

Anyways, she's asking questions, I drop that I'm there with students, she asks me what I do and I go on a huge ramble about teaching shoplifting. She genuinely believed I was teaching them to shoplift. Eventually I told her the truth (good move?) that I taught the LSAT.

I drop in some other shit about living in LA, made up a lie that I was in a sitcom once-- it's close enough to true, so I can talk about it plausibly.

I guess what I should talk about are the parts I struggled with:

First, conversation would occasionally break down. She helped me, but not all girls will.

Second, she was all over her hair and her jewelry. Pretty sure she was down and I never pushed.

Third, touching. Man, how do you do this? I touched her bracelet with no resistance, we compared cell phones at one point and there was some touching, but one time I tried to move close to her and she backed away a bit (I think, I'm not smooth enough to do it right).

Fourth, she said she had to go to the bathroom. I took this as a sign that I should fuck off and said, cool, I need to go back to my friends, and we parted ways. Not asking for a number was super weak, but what do I do in this situation? Is she blowing me off? I really had no idea what to do and thought it best to just be like, peace, I don't care.

Then, later, another hot girl bumped into me while I was sitting, I acted super offended and told her to watch where she was going and that I needed my personal space. She thought I was serious too- not enough of a smirk, I guess. She asked my name and shook my hand, but when I shook her hand, she started shrieking and was like, oh I forgot I busted my finger. I told her she should have given me the other hand then. She immediately said "OK, bye," and I heard her complaining to her friends about me not being a gentleman. Don't know what to do with that one.

[fiveminrule]

(05-17-2016 01:28 AM)egionesco Wrote:  

Fourth, she said she had to go to the bathroom. I took this as a sign that I should fuck off and said, cool, I need to go back to my friends, and we parted ways. Not asking for a number was super weak, but what do I do in this situation? Is she blowing me off? I really had no idea what to do and thought it best to just be like, peace, I don't care.

Sometimes people have to piss, it is a bar after all and it sounded like you were talking for some time. Obviously you should have asked for her phone number but also I think you should have invited her to join you with your students when she is done with the bathroom. You don't want to just sit there by yourself waiting and if she does join you then you know absolutely she is interested, at minimum you would have her number to text her the next day or so. Also could make some of your students jealous, you said you were interested in gaming them (is this a wise idea?)

[egionesco]

Thanks for the advice, I know I butchered the end of this pretty bad.

One of the things I noticed is that I've read so much stuff about how to tell if she's interested and bailing on conversations because they're not interested, but I need to ignore all that stuff right now. Pay attention, yes, but my reads are not reliable because I haven't been through the war. So I need to just push every situation as if she is interested. This likely means I will have some way too long conversations with girls that were just amusing themselves. But that's okay right now, in fact, it should be a goal of sorts.

I also look for the negative. So this girl is giving solid signals- fingers in hair, hands playing with necklace, and I kept focusing on the negative signs, which were there as well. But I shouldn't need 100% buying signals to continue. Thinking back on it, I honestly think she might have been saying, I'm bringing this back to the bar and going to the bathroom so we can get out of here. She might not have, but I'll never know, because I decided she was blowing me off.

The great thing about breaking my approach bubble was that it wasn't hard. The very beginning of my approach was pretty solid. Now, this was a somewhat easy target- most girls don't just isolate themselves from the pack like this girl did. So I have a lot of improving to do, but I took a shot. I think I blew a slam dunk, but in the past I wouldn't have even tried to throw it down. Hell, I wouldn't have even been on the court.

[heavy]

(03-14-2016 07:02 PM)egionesco Wrote:  

I have a (completely useless) Ph.D., I teach for a company that sends me to different cities throughout the US

I'll take your word for it on being completely useless (you don't need to explain), but...a lot of people would love to have the second part of that statement

Don't discount it.

As for day approaches, I've never been big into it because of the size of my city, but...just pretend (I know, chicks are way better at pretending than us) you're in a situation that requires assistance...
Pretend:
- your phone is dead and your looking for a ____ to _____ (coffee place to charge it) (have pen/paper for #)
- the best wifi spot nearby to ____ (skype your kid, get some business done, meet a client)
- anything with bars, from a local's perspective (best cocktail, best night scene, etc, etc)
- be direct, but couple it with the bar question

[Turnus]

Be careful about drinking and gaming your students. There was a story in the local news here last week about a tenured Professor who just got fired because he was out drinking with his students, apparently had a little too much to drink, and attempted to kiss one of them at the bar (he didn't even land the kiss!). He thought she was down, she got creeped out, complained to the administration and his 20 year career is gone.

[kevin4usc]

(05-17-2016 02:00 PM)heavy Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 07:02 PM)egionesco Wrote:  

I have a (completely useless) Ph.D., I teach for a company that sends me to different cities throughout the US

I'll take your word for it on being completely useless (you don't need to explain), but...a lot of people would love to have the second part of that statement

Don't discount it.

As for day approaches, I've never been big into it because of the size of my city, but...just pretend (I know, chicks are way better at pretending than us) you're in a situation that requires assistance...
Pretend:
- your phone is dead and your looking for a ____ to _____ (coffee place to charge it) (have pen/paper for #)
- the best wifi spot nearby to ____ (skype your kid, get some business done, meet a client)
- anything with bars, from a local's perspective (best cocktail, best night scene, etc, etc)
- be direct, but couple it with the bar question

I agree with this, but the direct part is HUGE. You want it to be Man to Woman, not friend to friend... or in this case stranger to stranger. It can definitely work, but you need to transition into something else fairly quickly.

I would say that by this approach, you're coming across as if you don't want her to know you want to bang her... but I argue that she HAS to know. She has to know you want to bang her, she has to know it's Man to Woman (that's the direct part). This is all in the tone and eye contact.

For example, if you use the best bar, best restaurant, best etc. example, I would phrase it like this: "HEY, quick question... BEST restaurant in (City, or area)" and the tone is a challenging tone. So the frame is not, 'I don't know and I want you to tell me because I'm ignorant'. It's, 'I know what I like, but do you know what you like, and is your answer as good as mine.' You can follow up with, "What!! I HATE (her answer)" but with a smirk and an obvious joking tone. And then something like "girls who go there are ALWAYS trouble" with more smirking and eye contact. Then say what your favorite is, and WHY.

Then seed the number with something like, "well I'm gonna show you how good (whatever your answer was) is, what's your number"

[egionesco]

As far as the sleaziness and repercussions of banging students is concerned, I am allowed to do so- I teach a private class and will not get fired for this.

I am still struggling with how to maximize these connections properly. I hung out at numerous clubs today with a 23-year old male FSU student who knows anyone and everyone, used to bartend so he has crazy connections, and I could barely manage to speak to girls even with proper introductions. I don't see how anyone isolates in a club, the girls are bouncing around like crazy. The reason I said the last girl might be a unicorn is because she isolated herself, and when that happened I was actually able to approach. I didn't have any fear, but I am unable to approach in group situations. I know Roosh says don't worry if there are guys, but it's still weird to me to approach groups, it just doesn't make any sense why I would be talking to them.