[Kid Twist]

If this is effective (haven't tried, but I would guess it's more effective than most attempts) it's because of nuance and ambiguity. It's fairly short and to the point. Good stuff. I'll work it when I have some time to waste and see what spin-offs are possible. Cheers, somefcks


- ps

How quickly do you guys close? And do you go straight for digits with the request and then just let it sit? My experience is that only the ones that chat with you a bit are even amenable in any way to meeting up. Short and delayed almost never works, though I had one that was probably an AW, still she gave up the digits after a delay of about a week and re-message. Who knows

[JWLZG]

The OP's opener has been a boon to my online returns. Out of 33 that sent it to, I've had 10 visit my profile and 8 respond.

(03-13-2016 12:41 PM)SomeFcksGiven Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 04:39 AM)Khan Wrote:  

SomeFcksGiven, thank you for sharing your opener, it really is excellent. I just did a quick analysis, by using it on OkC over the past week my response rate shot up from 32 to 50%. I found that it's best to use this opener in combination with another banal question about something from the girl's profile, like "Where did you learn Spanish?". Just to make sure she doesn't think you're spam messaging without reading profiles.

There was one funny occasion where the opener backfired on me. It was when I used it on some bisexual chick (I must have missed that while skimming through her profile). She must have thought I was referring to her sexual orientation, and responded by calling me a bigot and giving me a lecture about diversity and tolerating other people.

That's a great idea. Anything that can make it more personal should be more effective.

They do get offended on occasion, sometimes you can disarm her by following up with something playful to show you were joking. Doesn't always work, some women are just miserable bitches

When SFG told me the message, I wanted to PM back whether adding a personalised sentence or question would throw things out of whack. The beauty of his opener is that it has the power to canvass a woman's emotional buttons even if it is generic enough to have a copy-pasta feel.

I wish I'd read that post before deploying it.

Another point - I've had at least 3 of my recipients call me out for "negging", one in a pretty barbed manner. What would you do to deflect it? I think girls, especially in online dating, are clued up enough on PUA culture for them to spot its routines.
No doubt they've had to run the gauntlet of lamely-executed ones thrown at them by desperate chumps.
It doesn't need a whole lot of intelligence to surmise that eventually, they'd figure out that this would a spin on things.

[Khan]

(03-15-2016 05:24 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Another point - I've had at least 3 of my recipients call me out for "negging", one in a pretty barbed manner. What would you do to deflect it? I think girls, especially in online dating, are clued up enough on PUA culture for them to spot its routines.
No doubt they've had to run the gauntlet of lamely-executed ones thrown at them by desperate chumps.
It doesn't need a whole lot of intelligence to surmise that eventually, they'd figure out that this would a spin on things.

Don't worry about that. If the girl likes you, she won't care about the nature of your opener or whatnot.

If she calls you out, she's probably a high-maintenance bitch. It's up to you if you want to proceed or not. I personally always eject if the girl's messages hint at non-playful aggressiveness.

Another thing I've learned by using the opener: Don't feel discouraged if the girl has nothing written on her profile. You can always use something from her answers to OkC questions, provided she has at least some. "You wrote you like horror movies, I heard girls who like horror movies are trouble" or something like that.

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-15-2016 05:24 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

The OP's opener has been a boon to my online returns. Out of 33 that sent it to, I've had 10 visit my profile and 8 respond.
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Another point - I've had at least 3 of my recipients call me out for "negging", one in a pretty barbed manner. What would you do to deflect it? I think girls, especially in online dating, are clued up enough on PUA culture for them to spot its routines.
No doubt they've had to run the gauntlet of lamely-executed ones thrown at them by desperate chumps.
It doesn't need a whole lot of intelligence to surmise that eventually, they'd figure out that this would a spin on things.

A fun experiment is to create a fake profile as a hot girl and see what kind of messages come in. You'll quickly see how lame most guys messages are. Very few stand out from the crowd. Writing a message that commands attention is what gets you in the door.

I've been called out for negging before, but it's rare. If a girl does this she's likely no stranger to PUA tactics, and there's a good chance she views this as sleazy. I deflect by playing dumb. i.e. "Not sure what you mean by "negging.." I was referring to the pic of your cat. You seem young for starting a cat collection already." You can try putting a playful spin on it, but more often than not you're DOA when a girl responds in a negative way. In all likelihood, she's damaged goods anyway. Focus on the ones who are fun. They're the girls you want to be pursuing.

[JacobVR]

I would love to help you, but as I said in the article, that is as far as I can lead you. You know how to open the girl, you must now "learn" how to engage. If I told you step-by-step on what to do, you would just be using a script and when it came to real-life you would be blank, because... You used a script and knew nothing and are now in the blue. So like I said, you will have a lot of mess-ups and of course it will feel un-natural/uneasy like you said, because you are doing something that isn't your character. Just keep going my man, I provided everything you need in this article. Take a look at the "Graph-bar" where it says don't get attached. You will have to go through 10s, 20s of girls. All the best.
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[justin]

Thanks OP for the opener. Although, I changed it a bit to cater to the Dutch girls around my area because I think they wouldn't understand what I mean if I used it exactly the way you do. I added some Dutch flavour to this routine and I make it sound a bit childish. It's working good and making them laugh. However, most girls reply here to my simple 'Hi' but with this opener, it is easier to carry on the conversations. Thanks again.

[Stimulus]

(03-15-2016 09:44 AM)justin Wrote:  

Thanks OP for the opener. Although, I changed it a bit to cater to the Dutch girls around my area because I think they wouldn't understand what I mean if I used it exactly the way you do. I added some Dutch flavour to this routine and I make it sound a bit childish. It's working good and making them laugh. However, most girls reply here to my simple 'Hi' but with this opener, it is easier to carry on the conversations. Thanks again.

Mind sharing it in a PM? Still didn't really use it because I think I didn't find the best way of translating it yet.

[Kid Twist]

You know what's funny? I used it on a recent match who had nothing on her profile --- but (unbeknownst to me) had a kid.

You could still tell that it intrigued her. I went with the heartbreaker usage to be playful once it got going, but still trying to think what else might be better (that one is pretty good because it simultaneously allows you to compliment but distance yourself).

Rando side question --- if you match out of town do you guys just ditch those or ever try to keep them alive in the case you go back?

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-16-2016 11:22 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

You know what's funny? I used it on a recent match who had nothing on her profile --- but (unbeknownst to me) had a kid.

You could still tell that it intrigued her. I went with the heartbreaker usage to be playful once it got going, but still trying to think what else might be better (that one is pretty good because it simultaneously allows you to compliment but distance yourself).

Rando side question --- if you match out of town do you guys just ditch those or ever try to keep them alive in the case you go back?

Depends on how far away she is, and for me, how hot she is determines whether or not it's worth the drive. I run into this a lot since I live in the sticks..

[Gyro]

I'll take a PM OP.

[Gas]

I've used this opener 3 times and got a response every time. Works like a charm.

Also OP definitely has done the right thing not sharing it publicly here. As I write this the forum has 466 guests online. That's a lot of non-members who are just going to leech it and start spamming it like newbies. Keep it to repped members who have other openers in their arsenal and know not to spam this to every single chick with an Cupid account.

Also a reply I'm trying is "I heard that girls with xxxxx are the craziest of them all."

xxxxx could be the colour of her lipstick in her photos, the type of clothes she's wearing, her hairstyle, where she's from - anything you can dig out of her profile or photos.

[CameraXL]

"Works like a charm."

Same here. I have used only with a few girls but reply-rate is great.
Most tome, I follow-up with the "heartbreaker".

Thank you for sharing it @OP.

[Matrixdude]

Wait... is this some sort of joke?

[Gas]

Even though it's not shared here, it's already getting played out. I've been called out twice now and only used it maybe 6 or 7 times. Of course it could be a bluff, but the way these things get spammed I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[JWLZG]

(03-19-2016 10:13 PM)Gas Wrote:  

Even though it's not shared here, it's already getting played out. I've been called out twice now and only used it maybe 6 or 7 times. Of course it could be a bluff, but the way these things get spammed I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Whereabouts are you located?

Unless someone's leaked it, I can't believe it has spread like the plague.

[PartManPartMonkey]

The line isn't exactly revolutionary.

I've been opening with dick pics for years.

Glad it's working for the OP though.

[Libertas]

This thread has a good headline by itself which I've put into my swipe file.

So I'm guessing the opener is good. PM'ed.

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-19-2016 10:13 PM)Gas Wrote:  

Even though it's not shared here, it's already getting played out. I've been called out twice now and only used it maybe 6 or 7 times. Of course it could be a bluff, but the way these things get spammed I wouldn't be surprised either way.

I just got back from a trip and haven't been on here for a while.

I've tried screening PMs to only share with active members who contribute to the forum, some may have fallen through the cracks since I've been blown up with messages.

What are they saying when they call you out on it? Depending on what they say, it could be a shit test or it could be that the message leaked and they already received it from someone else.

[NextStop100]

Sent you a PM, along with a solid line I've been using myself.

[Felix88]

*necro*
Could anyone pm me the opener in the OP?
I just started online dating recently and curious to see how it work on Asian girls in Asia.

[wi30]

Anyone worried about an opener has serious issues with their profile and pictures.

My opener is "hey, what's up" 90% of the time.

There is no magic opener, say whatever you want. If girls leave bait in their description, obviously go for it. But the opener isn't getting anyone laid.

I've been using a "what's up" opener on tinder almost exclusively. Anyone fretting about openers is full of shit.

[dsalsa]

Can someone pm me the OP opener?
I have my own opener with a 90% response, I don't mind to share also

[XPQ22]

(10-09-2016 11:54 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

I've been using a "what's up" opener on tinder almost exclusively. Anyone fretting about openers is full of shit.

I usually go a little more high-effort than that, but I don't use canned openers or worry about it too much. I think the opener does matter a small amount; girls get a lot of "hey what's up" openers and I'm not the most devastatingly conventionally attractive guy in the world, perhaps slightly above average and in decent physical shape. I'm not going to be able to coast in on my male model pics, so I try to do a little something to set me apart.

I've peeked at a few girl's app inboxes, and they get a LOT of low-effort openers like "Hey there" or "omg heeey" or "Damn girl sexxxxxy" and so forth. Some of the guys weren't bad looking at all, but it's me who's lying in her bed after a SNL, while their opener has gone to the bin. Game does matter, even right from the start.

Aside from that, though, I don't worry about it too much. I try to include something referential to her profile since, again, I know from a couple experiences that I likely got the lay because the girl in question knew I was sniping on her, not just spamming the same message to the masses.

Two sentences is plenty, and with experience I can jump into a girl's profile, skim it, and "bang out" something slightly clever in about 90 seconds. It helps to have read a lot and have a lot of experiences to draw from for novel material.

My profile is mostly whack-out nonsense (but well-written.) I'm a mad scientist from the future, come back to find a beautiful co-pilot for my time-zeppelin. There's a pic of me with some WW2 aircraft to go along. That sort of thing.

I think one of the high-repped users whose user name I'm blanking on said in an online game datasheet that the goal of a good profile shouldn't be to DHV or necessarily talk about your job or real hobbies. It should be to generate an emotion, a feeling. To tell a story.

I started hitting it up again more seriously over the weekend, grabbed two #'s and if all goes well I've got two meets on the books. This strategy has worked pretty well for me overall. YMMV.

[MediumRare]

"Lol, u look like u need a firm hand" gets s good response rate but I only use it on the fiesty/cockier looking ones.

[General Stalin]

I've had at least half a dozen newbies message me asking what the opener is. As recently as this past week.