[birthday cat]

(03-08-2016 04:27 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

I understand what you are saying. However when using Tinder (which I believe the majority does) you already got past the pictures phase. There's no such thing as a perfect opener but you do want to trigger her into a conversation. I think this opener is one of the better ones out there that will most likely trigger her to do so. From that point she invested in you and it's game on.

I don't think you are past the pictures phase until you meet in person.

I don't think she is any no more invested in you than the other 100 guys she is talking to online.

You can't break things down into black & white like if you "trigger" a conversation then you succeeded or if you don't trigger a conversation then you failed. Real life human interaction just doesn't work like that. A lot of girls are going to know exactly what you are doing with an opener like that. They know it is a gimmick to get them to respond. They are going to ask "why", listen to your response, and if it isn't a great response then they won't respond or they will waste your time by talking to you and never meeting up.

It is a good opener and great job to OP for coming up with something original and sharing it but you guys are missing the big picture when you think an opener is going to make a big difference by itself. It's a gimmick but it isn't game. It sounds great in theory but it doesn't change much in real life.

This is an example of why some guys are frustrated with the direction the Game forum seems to be going in. A lot of the experts aren't posting much or at all anymore. We are missing their comments and advice which are based on real experience but a lot of new guys are talking about how they think game works without realizing that they don't have much experience to back up their theories.

[Stimulus]

By being past the pictures phase I was trying to say she at least gave you a chance to work on her. You've passed the initial 'looks-test' otherwise you wouldn't match.

Have you ever seen a girls Tinder? They can have hundreds of matches in a couple of days and barely talk to any of them because most of her matches open with "Hey how are you?", which gets boring real fast. Sure she will respond to some of them because she's more attracted to his pics, but with below average looks compared to the rest of her matches and some lame 1-in-a-dozen opener chances of her responding are slim.

I agree you didn't really accomplish anything much (succeed) yet at that point, however at least you left an impression, got her attention and it's up to the rest of what you say to get her out on a date.

I can't speak for the rest of the world but in my experience here in The Netherlands you can't view Tinder as IRL (In Real Life) interaction anyway so it comes down to having a certain vibe with the girl to get her out. Some of them like the agressive approach, some prefer long and boring conversations. Almost none of them interact the way they did when you were talking on Tinder when you meet them IRL.

[Fury]

Hey Stimulus,

Have you tried this on Dutch girls yet? I'm hesitant to try it since it would be taken so directly here. This opener would be considered a 'neg' and I haven't really done much of that here.

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-08-2016 06:29 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

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You can't break things down into black & white like if you "trigger" a conversation then you succeeded or if you don't trigger a conversation then you failed. Real life human interaction just doesn't work like that. A lot of girls are going to know exactly what you are doing with an opener like that. They know it is a gimmick to get them to respond. They are going to ask "why", listen to your response, and if it isn't a great response then they won't respond or they will waste your time by talking to you and never meeting up.

It is a good opener and great job to OP for coming up with something original and sharing it but you guys are missing the big picture when you think an opener is going to make a big difference by itself. It's a gimmick but it isn't game. It sounds great in theory but it doesn't change much in real life.

This is an example of why some guys are frustrated with the direction the Game forum seems to be going in. A lot of the experts aren't posting much or at all anymore. We are missing their comments and advice which are based on real experience but a lot of new guys are talking about how they think game works without realizing that they don't have much experience to back up their theories.

When I started this thread it was with the intention of sharing an opener that's worked well for me. It's only an opener, not a complete road map to seducing her. It's designed to grab their attention and start a conversation, nothing more. You can't drop a girl's panties with just an opener. It gets things rolling, but then it's up to you to hold her attention long enough to open her legs for you. That's where all the other game principles you mentioned come into play.

As far as it being a gimmick, yeah it is. But so is every other "copy and paste" style of opener. We all know that custom-crafting an opener to each individual girl is a monumental waste of time. You have to find something that works for a wide range of girls, and sounds specific enough to her. There's only been a couple of times I've been called out by a girl for using the opener as bait to get her to respond. This is no different than any other shit test. Agree and amplify, change the subject, turn it into a joke, etc. The overwhelming response from girls has been playful and positive. The ones that respond negatively probably aren't attracted to your profile enough to respond favorably no matter what you say to her.

[getdownonit]

Great opener, your reply better be personalized though

You could easily adapt this sort of opener to night game, then go as direct as you want with your reply, along the lines of 'middle children are bad lovers' or something like what was posted here earlier

[Ringo]

No offense to the OP, apparently the opener is good and other members are profiting from it, but this thread rubs me the wrong way.

For all that we talk about abundance mentality, isn't this the opposite?

Sure you're still sharing it - which is great. But I figure part of developing your game - and those of fellow players - is throwing things out there and see how they perform. And if other people choose to use it, how do you adapt when it becomes commonplace.

In many ways it's similar to the development of MMA during the last 25 years. OP found a great combo or kick variation and he'll teach it but not to the general populace, only to vetted martial artists, aka RVF members.

I just don't get on with this mindset.

Part of playing the game is that it's always changing. Holding on to a technique in MMA or to an opener so it doesn't blows up doesn't prevent it from not blowing up. The word gets around when it wants to get around and keeping it close to oneself only makes the owner look greedy.

I've posted it before on the Tinder thread but I'll share my favorite opener ever - feel free to use it, it has worked very well for me. Just PM me.

Kidding.

Here, translated from portuguese so might need some tweaking:
"Weird/Strange/Funny. Something tells me that we're going to get along well."

[birthday cat]

(03-09-2016 05:24 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  

I can't speak for the rest of the world but in my experience here in The Netherlands you can't view Tinder as IRL (In Real Life) interaction anyway so it comes down to having a certain vibe with the girl to get her out. Some of them like the agressive approach, some prefer long and boring conversations. Almost none of them interact the way they did when you were talking on Tinder when you meet them IRL.

I agree that most girls act much differently in real life. Most times that I've expected a girl to act a certain way - she is very different or even the opposite of what I expected after I meet her.

What I meant with "human interaction just doesn't work like that" was that all the communication we have on Tinder or in text is still human interaction and I think guys are missing a lot when they take an approach like: she swiped right so I passed the pictures test, she responded to me so I passed the opener test, etc. It just feels like the opposite of game to make a checklist out of it. I don't know how to explain it well but it's like you are suppressing yourpersonality when you make a checklist out of it...taking yourself out of your own frame and getting sucked into the checklist's frame.

(03-09-2016 05:24 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  

Have you ever seen a girls Tinder?

I get into girls Tinder accounts all the time. I also talk to girls a lot about what they like and don't like from guys on Tinder and other apps and websites.

Guys can learn a lot about the competition by going through girls Tinder accounts and searching through other guys profiles on dating apps and websites.

One thing I sometimes do when a girl has attitude or needs to be knocked off her pedestal is take her phone, open Tinder, switch the search to girls seeking girls and swipe through those girls with her. Of course the girl will say almost all the other girls are ugly or slutty but it is a fun game to play. It also gives you some info of who the bisexual girls in the area are.

[monster]

Someone PM me the damn opener already!

[Ethan Hunt]

Use OPs opener about 20 minutes ago. Got the following result

Me: Opener the OP is talking about
Her: ?
Me: Too crazy to work? Thanks for the warning
Her: Haha it's kool I'm just being honest x
Me: You always been this way? You might be fun. Might not...
Her: Haha yep everyday since birth x
Me: You're kinda cute so I'll let you off. Been in [towns name] long?
Her: 4 years x
Her: And thank you sorry I had a day from hell x


Been fun to use and noticed an increase in responses too.

[getdownonit]

(03-09-2016 10:21 AM)Ringo Wrote:  

No offense to the OP, apparently the opener is good and other members are profiting from it, but this thread rubs me the wrong way.

For all that we talk about abundance mentality, isn't this the opposite?

Sure you're still sharing it - which is great. But I figure part of developing your game - and those of fellow players - is throwing things out there and see how they perform. And if other people choose to use it, how do you adapt when it becomes commonplace.

In many ways it's similar to the development of MMA during the last 25 years. OP found a great combo or kick variation and he'll teach it but not to the general populace, only to vetted martial artists, aka RVF members.

I just don't get on with this mindset.

Part of playing the game is that it's always changing. Holding on to a technique in MMA or to an opener so it doesn't blows up doesn't prevent it from not blowing up. The word gets around when it wants to get around and keeping it close to oneself only makes the owner look greedy.

I've posted it before on the Tinder thread but I'll share my favorite opener ever - feel free to use it, it has worked very well for me. Just PM me.

Kidding.

Here, translated from portuguese so might need some tweaking:
"Weird/Strange/Funny. Something tells me that we're going to get along well."

He's doing what you suggest. OP is giving it out for nothing to those who can give back - everyone except the countless lurkers who will never post any feedback or results.

It's up to the recipients to post some feedback of course.

esquisito ne boa palavra

[SomeFcksGiven]

"[username] has private messaging disabled. You cannot send private messages to this user"

Still getting this quite a bit. Please check your PM settings before you message me. I can't reply to some of your messages

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-09-2016 10:21 AM)Ringo Wrote:  

No offense to the OP, apparently the opener is good and other members are profiting from it, but this thread rubs me the wrong way.

For all that we talk about abundance mentality, isn't this the opposite?

Sure you're still sharing it - which is great. But I figure part of developing your game - and those of fellow players - is throwing things out there and see how they perform. And if other people choose to use it, how do you adapt when it becomes commonplace.

In many ways it's similar to the development of MMA during the last 25 years. OP found a great combo or kick variation and he'll teach it but not to the general populace, only to vetted martial artists, aka RVF members.

I just don't get on with this mindset.

Part of playing the game is that it's always changing. Holding on to a technique in MMA or to an opener so it doesn't blows up doesn't prevent it from not blowing up. The word gets around when it wants to get around and keeping it close to oneself only makes the owner look greedy.

I've posted it before on the Tinder thread but I'll share my favorite opener ever - feel free to use it, it has worked very well for me. Just PM me.

Kidding.

Here, translated from portuguese so might need some tweaking:
"Weird/Strange/Funny. Something tells me that we're going to get along well."

This has nothing to do with abundance mentality. Every market can get saturated no matter how abundant it may be. Try walking into a club and opening with "who lies more, men or women?" This worked great 10 years ago, but now you'll get laughed out of the club.

Every opener has a finite lifespan before it gets played out. Prolonging its duration just makes good sense, especially if it's online and has the potential to make its way to thousands of inboxes in a matter of minutes. You find one that works, or create on yourself, and use it until its efficacy has expired. Then you move on and create another one. That's how you adapt to changing conditions. If it's being shared with others you can't say the author is being greedy just because it's not being shared in a way that you approve of.

I haven't asked for anything in return. A member did contact me who signed up for a gold membership because of this thread. I never expected that to happen, but I'm glad that Roosh was able to get some small benefit out of this along with forum members who are having success using it.

[Stimulus]

(03-09-2016 05:52 AM)Fury Wrote:  

Hey Stimulus,

Have you tried this on Dutch girls yet? I'm hesitant to try it since it would be taken so directly here. This opener would be considered a 'neg' and I haven't really done much of that here.

I can relate to your fear about it being too direct. I'm still trying to figure out the best translation into Dutch which I find quite hard. There's just some things to it which are barely known in Holland and to make everything come out as it is supposed to, it will become a very 'long' opener. More importantly, it will lose most (if not all) of it's 'catchyness' aswell as fun.

Honestly this is a problem with a lot of great openers I spot being shared here. English is a far better language to create a short but still flirty/catchy 'bombshell' opener. Translated into Dutch it gets real boring and real try-hard, real fast.

You as an American should be able to get away with it though, since you don't speak Dutch. However I think you'll receive a lot of "?" Because they simply don't understand it.

[snacky20]

Can someone PM the opener? Sound like some kind of holy grail.

[Stimulus]

(03-09-2016 02:36 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 05:24 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  

I can't speak for the rest of the world but in my experience here in The Netherlands you can't view Tinder as IRL (In Real Life) interaction anyway so it comes down to having a certain vibe with the girl to get her out. Some of them like the agressive approach, some prefer long and boring conversations. Almost none of them interact the way they did when you were talking on Tinder when you meet them IRL.

I agree that most girls act much differently in real life. Most times that I've expected a girl to act a certain way - she is very different or even the opposite of what I expected after I meet her.

What I meant with "human interaction just doesn't work like that" was that all the communication we have on Tinder or in text is still human interaction and I think guys are missing a lot when they take an approach like: she swiped right so I passed the pictures test, she responded to me so I passed the opener test, etc. It just feels like the opposite of game to make a checklist out of it. I don't know how to explain it well but it's like you are suppressing yourpersonality when you make a checklist out of it...taking yourself out of your own frame and getting sucked into the checklist's frame.

(03-09-2016 05:24 AM)Stimulus Wrote:  

Have you ever seen a girls Tinder?

I get into girls Tinder accounts all the time. I also talk to girls a lot about what they like and don't like from guys on Tinder and other apps and websites.

Guys can learn a lot about the competition by going through girls Tinder accounts and searching through other guys profiles on dating apps and websites.

One thing I sometimes do when a girl has attitude or needs to be knocked off her pedestal is take her phone, open Tinder, switch the search to girls seeking girls and swipe through those girls with her. Of course the girl will say almost all the other girls are ugly or slutty but it is a fun game to play. It also gives you some info of who the bisexual girls in the area are.

1. Co-signed about it being made into checklist game when you state it like that. Tho in 'theory' (hate that word) there are some boxes that'll need those checks to make it to the finish, the bang.

2. I also like to bring up Tinder. When having plenty of matches it's a DHV. Often I tease her a bit saying girls match every guy they swipe right on. "Let's test it and do 10 right swipes." Then, when they match 'just' 5 or 6 guys tease and neg them a little. "So, just 5 matches.. Remind me why am I here again?" Knocks them off that pedestal and gets them to qualify herself.

Will try that 'girl-swiping' tho. Sounds like fun and maybe even a chance of a threesome later on.



I wonder what the online vets like Kaotic do. He's online using online game as far as I know. Some info/experiences guys?

[Ethan Hunt]

There's an confirmed IRT PMing members asking for the opener. Zero post count lurker. Best thing to do with him is to add to ignore list.

user-41700.html

[Stimulus]

(03-11-2016 12:50 PM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

There's an confirmed IRT PMing members asking for the opener. Zero post count lurker. Best thing to do with him is to add to ignore list.

user-41700.html

Additional Info About legendary
Current Country:India
Home Country:India

Don't tell anyone, but I LOL'd.

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-11-2016 12:50 PM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

There's an confirmed IRT PMing members asking for the opener. Zero post count lurker. Best thing to do with him is to add to ignore list.

user-41700.html

"PLEASE SHARE YOUR GOLD WITH US.
THE ONE AND ONLY OPENER YOU HAVE"

Got this from him a few days ago. Not sure if he was trying to be funny or condescending. Either way, it was off-putting

[Pestilence]

Is this a tinder opener? Can someone pm it to me if it is.

[Khan]

SomeFcksGiven, thank you for sharing your opener, it really is excellent. I just did a quick analysis, by using it on OkC over the past week my response rate shot up from 32 to 50%. I found that it's best to use this opener in combination with another banal question about something from the girl's profile, like "Where did you learn Spanish?". Just to make sure she doesn't think you're spam messaging without reading profiles.

There was one funny occasion where the opener backfired on me. It was when I used it on some bisexual chick (I must have missed that while skimming through her profile). She must have thought I was referring to her sexual orientation, and responded by calling me a bigot and giving me a lecture about diversity and tolerating other people.

[Kimochi]

Any chance to get this sent to me also? So I can join in on the convo. Thanks

[Rollbuzz]

I would also appreciate a pm with your opener!

[SomeFcksGiven]

(03-13-2016 04:39 AM)Khan Wrote:  

SomeFcksGiven, thank you for sharing your opener, it really is excellent. I just did a quick analysis, by using it on OkC over the past week my response rate shot up from 32 to 50%. I found that it's best to use this opener in combination with another banal question about something from the girl's profile, like "Where did you learn Spanish?". Just to make sure she doesn't think you're spam messaging without reading profiles.

There was one funny occasion where the opener backfired on me. It was when I used it on some bisexual chick (I must have missed that while skimming through her profile). She must have thought I was referring to her sexual orientation, and responded by calling me a bigot and giving me a lecture about diversity and tolerating other people.

That's a great idea. Anything that can make it more personal should be more effective.

They do get offended on occasion, sometimes you can disarm her by following up with something playful to show you were joking. Doesn't always work, some women are just miserable bitches

[CameraXL]

Great. I would appreciate a PM with this opener. I'll have to translate into German.
Thank you.

[CameraXL]

Weird. I tried it with an old "happn"-match who didn't answer my initial message few weeks back. She inst-replied. ?