[nomadd]

Most of women are similar so why not to get married with a rich one.
I mean really rich, divorced cougar, 20 years older.

[SudoRoot]

If you are looking for a LTR Girl, or a Girl to marry, I would recommend to pick one within the same economic class as yours.

-Girls are attracted to: Ambition, Status, power, drive, masculine energy and Money. If you earn less Money than her dad or ex-Bf she will unconsciously think of you as a lower value man and that she could do better.
-If she's outside of your economic class, she will have other values/morals than you, which implies Trouble and Arguments
-if shes way below you, you are risking to get GOLD DIGGED.
-Personally, if it doesn't come to a Girl which I plan to marry, I care Little about her upbringing or economic class. But maybe that's because I am still in my early 20s.

Cheers.

[jariel]

Since male-female partnerships are business, it doesn't make sense to look at said partnerships without a financial lens.

While I don't care if a woman grew up in a certain class, I have to look at how she can contribute to the relationship financially.

I am someone who's from the third world, so while I recognize that it's easy to find someone from there who has commendable qualities that you won't typically find in first world women, if a woman is coming from a place that puts them behind from an economic and educational standpoint, then she will be a dependent until death.

I'm just not interested in being put in a trick bag.

I don't expect her financial contribution to the team to be equal to mine, but I expect there to be some level of contribution.

These days it isn't hard for women to become teachers, nurses, etc. and work in fields where help is always needed, thus a paycheck is always available, so I'll be damned if she just sits at home throughout the day while I'm out grinding.

I just don't think it makes sense to take any woman out of poverty to give her a life of luxury that she can't even contribute to from a dollars standpoint; we need to stop putting on extras on how good she fucks, feeds, and fixes shit, those are goddamn requirements.

[jayko]

Son, you can't choose your father, but you can choose your father-in-law, how is that sound to you, OP?

[johnbozzz]

(03-05-2016 12:54 PM)jayko Wrote:  

Son, you can't choose your father, but you can choose your father-in-law, how is that sound to you, OP?

Would be hard to compare most fathers to my old man, seeing as how he's lived a good life and is a red pill man himself. I've actually never met the fathers of any of my past girlfriends.

[YossariansRight]

(02-28-2016 02:44 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

A somewhat controversial question, I get it, so please read the following below. It's not long:
I'm wondering if any of you guys have had any luck dating outside of your socioeconomic group. I'm not trying to be a jerk by asking, but, at least for me, I've found that girls from middle to upper middle class households are the one girls who I've been able to be truly intimate with in my LTR. I come from a normal upper middle class home (father worked full time, mother was a stay at home mom and hobbyist potter), and we obviously had some privileges, but we were also pretty frugal. I think, if anything, the way I was raised instilled a certain value system in me, especially before puberty, and I've always held thrift, education and responsibility as a few of my priorities.
I've been with a girl who came from considerable wealth, and somehow, her nonchalance about the future put me at ill ease during this relationship. I felt like she was one upping me by virtue of her birth. Similarly, girls from rougher backgrounds have always wanted me to buy them things.
Girls who were comfortable enough to be fun but also somewhat conservative in their lifestyle choices (lower, middle and upper middle class girls), seem to be my best match.
Does anyone else feel the same? Sometimes I feel like an asshole for thinking this, though.

My ex-fiancé's family is wealthy. Her parents, still married after 40+ years, are good people. Pretty conservative, church going, donate to hospitals...that type of people.

I didn't have shit back then, but we got along great. I was truly like a son to them. Money was never an issue. Why? That aside, we were the same type of people. Same ethnic background, same religion, same political views.

I don't know if this answers you, but it's what I have to offer.

[jayko]

(03-05-2016 01:02 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:54 PM)jayko Wrote:  

Son, you can't choose your father, but you can choose your father-in-law, how is that sound to you, OP?

Would be hard to compare most fathers to my old man, seeing as how he's lived a good life and is a red pill man himself. I've actually never met the fathers of any of my past girlfriends.

you are in luck, not everyone has an old man like yours, you have not reach the meet-the-parent stage so far? BTW, do you speak any Russian?

[dain_bramage]

" If her daddy is rich take her out for a meal. If her daddy is poor just do what you feel."

I've dated women above and below my economic status. One was much more impoverished than I had ever been. No cell phone (!), a crap tier computer, and not even a proper bedroom. Just a mattress in a room that was being renovated but uncompleted for a long time.

She was not a good looking woman or in any sense intellectually stimulating. In fact she was quite stupid. I could not have a decent conversation with her on practically anything.

She was immature. She would spend much time watching anime and nothing really entertaining IMHO. She was basically someone to bone that was very appreciative of me. But I can't stand her.

She has still been contacting me more than 2 years since I dumped her. She lives hours away and she has stated she wants to "chat over coffee". I'm not going to take the 2 hours trip for just "coffee". I took her virginity within only a few hours of meeting her in person. So she's attached and I'm not keen on being guilt tripped into anything serious as she would not be a good LTR mother of my children kind of woman. It would be hell.


I'm from a working class family. I dated briefly a middle class bipolar adopted girl. She was freaking weird but the sex was great. I think her parents didn't really like me but I did dodge a bullet because she was keen on being pregnant asap. Little hints and such. I think she was manic when we met as she was saying that she was slowly reducing her meds without doctor's approval. I barely spent any money on her which was just great really. I got free sandwiches, free pasta, free sex. But I think she came down and started thinking what she was doing was odd.

I have tried dating women above my economic situation but it hasn't worked out. I am looked down upon. I'd rather date someone that is appreciative but those that have been have been annoying or dense.

Overall,
I would probably stick to someone a little above or below my status. Nothing extreme either above or below.

[johnbozzz]

(03-05-2016 01:47 PM)jayko Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 01:02 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:54 PM)jayko Wrote:  

Son, you can't choose your father, but you can choose your father-in-law, how is that sound to you, OP?

Would be hard to compare most fathers to my old man, seeing as how he's lived a good life and is a red pill man himself. I've actually never met the fathers of any of my past girlfriends.

you are in luck, not everyone has an old man like yours, you have not reach the meet-the-parent stage so far? BTW, do you speak any Russian?

No, I never met the parents. I met the grandparents of one girlfriend, friendly and shockingly young people (for grandparents) and the siblings/cousins of another at an alumni event, but no parents. And no, I do not speak Russian.

[jayko]

(03-05-2016 02:21 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 01:47 PM)jayko Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 01:02 PM)johnbozzz Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:54 PM)jayko Wrote:  

Son, you can't choose your father, but you can choose your father-in-law, how is that sound to you, OP?

Would be hard to compare most fathers to my old man, seeing as how he's lived a good life and is a red pill man himself. I've actually never met the fathers of any of my past girlfriends.

you are in luck, not everyone has an old man like yours, you have not reach the meet-the-parent stage so far? BTW, do you speak any Russian?

No, I never met the parents. I met the grandparents of one girlfriend, friendly and shockingly young people (for grandparents) and the siblings/cousins of another at an alumni event, but no parents. And no, I do not speak Russian.

older generations tend to marry young in those days. there has been dramatic shift for couple to wed in their late 20s to mid 30s, that explained your shocking, but it wasn't so shocking for them though.
Btw, I guess women tend to marry up, while man don't mind marry down. at the end of the day, social-economy status do play a part if both sides of the family stick to the old believe of "equal class marriage" (the marriage is the affair of two families sort of mentality) other than that, it is more important for couple to share the same common interests, value in life, compatible characters, personalities. those are what contribute to a long lasting marriage.

[BassPlayaYo]

If you're looking for a woman to be part of your life she should have things that will enhance your life and this excludes how she looks and how she fucks. At a minimum you want a woman that can drive, major red flag if she doesn't. You also want a woman that can make her own money and has the ability to delay gratification.

[Rawmeo]

I would only marry equal or upper class. With a lower girl, I'd always have that "I can do better" feeling whenever I get upper girls eyefucking me. That would make the marriage less enjoyable for me, and she would feel it.

As for upper, I'd definitely go for it. If she's down for it, then she can only bring good things, and give me some extra motivation to go in the upper class.

[johnbozzz]

(03-08-2016 12:08 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

I would only marry equal or upper class. With a lower girl, I'd always have that "I can do better" feeling whenever I get upper girls eyefucking me. That would make the marriage less enjoyable for me, and she would feel it.

I'm glad you're saying things that I had always thought but was unable to vocalize.

[John Quincy]

(03-04-2016 04:43 PM)jariel Wrote:  

I just don't think it makes sense to take any woman out of poverty to give her a life of luxury that she can't even contribute to from a dollars standpoint; we need to stop putting on extras on how good she fucks, feeds, and fixes shit, those are goddamn requirements.

This is such an important point and I see more and more guys being totally clueless about it. They don't seem to care at all about whether their girl has any professional skills and/or the ability to maintain a good home. They feel old and simply want to lock someone down quick.

A good friend of mine recently got married for precisely this reason - he didn't want to get left behind. But his wife adds nothing to his life. She doesn't really cook or clean, and she wants to have a kid asap and be a stay-at-home mom. So he has to shoulder everything. To top it off, she started giving him shit, in various ways, a few weeks before the wedding and even on the wedding day.

In short, he has a stressful job, a bitchy wife, and (if all goes according to plan) a kid on the way by the end of the year. Unreal.

But at some level, he only has himself to blame. He is very blue pill. A few days after I came across RVF (in 2014), I told him about it and all the value it adds. But he never bothered to follow up. He thought he knew everything.

I hope it turns out okay for his sake (he is my friend, after all) but I have my doubts.

[TheOllam]

What I have learned from an America that has been truly blessed with affluence during my time is.....

Successful Men Pull Women Out of Poverty

and

Successful Women Put Men Into Poverty

[Travesty]

I think you would need to have mad confidence to date a girl above you in social class successfully and happily long term. No different than looks, power to guys that have that level of Game.

I think dating a girl that looks up to you economically a decent amount is the best for keeping the relationship happy.

As a small example I have an extended family member that makes $60k, his lawyer wife makes $140k. They both come from middle class backgrounds. She is always pressuring him about making more money. I don't want that kind of inspiration from my wife.

I think if a girl makes or comes from more money she can feel an entitlement to slack off as far as pleasing in all areas because she holds the checkbook either through her Dad or her higher paying job.

[BassPlayaYo]

(03-16-2016 02:10 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I think you would need to have mad confidence to date a girl above you in social class successfully and happily long term. No different than looks, power to guys that have that level of Game.

I think dating a girl that looks up to you economically a decent amount is the best for keeping the relationship happy.

As a small example I have an extended family member that makes $60k, his lawyer wife makes $140k. They both come from middle class backgrounds. She is always pressuring him about making more money. I don't want that kind of inspiration from my wife.

I think if a girl makes or comes from more money she can feel an entitlement to slack off as far as pleasing in all areas because she holds the checkbook either through her Dad or her higher paying job.

A man that's secure in himself would never tolerate the scenarios described above. When you're secure in yourself there's just stuff you don't tolerate no matter how fine the chick or how good the pussy. The guy that's being pestered about making more money by his woman, isn't a man and doesn't control his own destiny. The guy that has to accept table scraps of affection from his woman because she has more financial muscle isn't a man.

[Sonoma]

Date up, always up.
Bang low, date up.

[Orion]

I fit poorly with girls bellow my class. Girls of lower socio-economic status have that tendency to look for a kind of tough street-wise guy who will drag them by the hand around and talk profanities in their presence.

I don't like to act tough nor to drag girls around like my obedient puppies. Once our sessions are over i pretty much like her gone so i can live my own life. And girls of my own class can pretty much figure that out. Lower classes (without trying to sound arrogant at all) simply can't be amused if you are not their Mr. Leather Jacket Tough Guy Clown and that can be irritating.

That being said, no poorer girl ever found any of my wealth least bit of attractive, in my opinion. Actually, they were the quickest to conclude that I'm dull.

[knockoutkid]

What are SAHMS

[johnbozzz]

(03-17-2016 09:06 PM)knockoutkid Wrote:  

What are SAHMS

SAHMS = Stay At Home Moms

[Merenguero]

(03-17-2016 01:12 PM)Orion Wrote:  

That being said, no poorer girl ever found any of my wealth least bit of attractive, in my opinion. Actually, they were the quickest to conclude that I'm dull.

Catch a flight to the Dominican Republic and that will change really fast.

[Travesty]

(03-17-2016 01:12 PM)Orion Wrote:  

I fit poorly with girls bellow my class. Girls of lower socio-economic status have that tendency to look for a kind of tough street-wise guy who will drag them by the hand around and talk profanities in their presence.

I don't like to act tough nor to drag girls around like my obedient puppies. Once our sessions are over i pretty much like her gone so i can live my own life. And girls of my own class can pretty much figure that out. Lower classes (without trying to sound arrogant at all) simply can't be amused if you are not their Mr. Leather Jacket Tough Guy Clown and that can be irritating.

That being said, no poorer girl ever found any of my wealth least bit of attractive, in my opinion. Actually, they were the quickest to conclude that I'm dull.

I agree with you completely. There is a brand of hot semi-trashy girls that really need a guy with a small creeping neck tattoo that come from a broken home. Money to them is not nearly as important as the projected swagger and smaller more flashy things the guy has like a tricked out car or truck, tattoos, jewelry, thug-like baseball hats and sunglasses, "fresh" kicks and things of that nature.

Usually those guys walk around with their chins 3 or 4 inches higher than normal at almost all times. Working class playboys. As far as DGAF and delusional confidence goes these guys are something to aspire to, no joke can learn alot.

The girls in this camp go off purely feel, looks, and vibe from the guy. Not from banter or worldly knowledge.

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-18-2016 03:56 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 01:12 PM)Orion Wrote:  

That being said, no poorer girl ever found any of my wealth least bit of attractive, in my opinion. Actually, they were the quickest to conclude that I'm dull.

Catch a flight to the Dominican Republic and that will change really fast.

[Snowblind]

Having done alright for myself, I've come close to dating someone above my socioeconomic status a few times before before (most are inheritance-rich, and I only date my age or younger - older women only get fucktoy status), but most of them and their ilk just seem to be more fucked up than the middle and upper-middle women you see everyday. Plenty of daddy's money to spend on shrinks and unlimited-repeat valium prescriptions. They also seem to be on a perpetual hunt for alpha males that have even more wealth/fame than them... a doomed quest 99% of the time... because the alphas simply don't want the same things, are taken, or aren't alphas. Many of them are too silly to realise it and keep picking 'bad boys' who abuse the hell out of them, and in one sad case I've seen just siphon their cash away.

Dating lower than your socioeconomic class can be a mixed bag, too. Like everyone says, you can get gold diggers or women that have the intelligence and personality of a plank, but there is also a third type; the rare, old-fashioned girl from a working class family who understands that you are a hell of a catch, and will literally do anything to keep you happy. She may not be the smartest girl nor have the biggest paycheck, but she will take care of herself and want to take care of you. If you can find one of these that looks after herself and acts like a lady, I see no issue in dating/LTR/marrying a lower socioeconomic class. They're often easier (and more willing) to train in the art of being a good woman and/or mother, and will follow your lead as the man of the house.

In my experience, it gets easier as you go down the spectrum, from higher to equal to lower. The trick is in identifying the right ones at every level, keeping frame and staying in charge, and making sure household resource management is your responsibility and no-one else's.

If it weren't for the family courts and divorce laws designed to fuck men over, I'd likely have married one of those lower-socioeconomic third type girls by now.