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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels
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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels

This article focuses on showing details about their lives, explaining how their personalities reflect on Marxism and their followers. I am using the book The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen , which is an amazing read. I could not resist writing about the similarities between the wretchedness of the creators of the ideology with that of their followers. Whatever is in quotes is a direct citation, whatever is not, is mine and/or an indirect citation from the book. Just wanted to share this info because it is good to know the nature of our enemy. Also, by Marxist, I am both talking about Classical Marxists and Cultural/Social Marxists and left wing people in general.

Right on Chapter 1, Skousen starts with one the things that most annoys me when Marxists talk about their founders, the vision that they were virtuous.

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We shall try to present their lives in the way the Communists present them- not as the soft, visionary social reformers which so many text books seem anxious to describe, but rather as the tow-fisted, power hungry revolutionists which their closest followers found them to be.

Marx was born in Treves, Germany, to a family whose males on both sides were outstanding scholars and distinguished rabbis. However, his father took the family away from the synagogue and became an attorney. This, some biographers credit, is the reason for Marx's rejection of religion, as ir happened when he was 6 years.

In elementary school, Marx was a quick and bright scholar. But, he could not keep a friend.

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Biographers claime he was too intense, too anxious to dominate the situation, too concerned about personal success, too belligerant in his self-assertiveness, to keep many friends.

Some of his letters to his parents were very emotional and revealed he really cared for them.

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“ (…) perharps, in direct touch with you, to show the profound affection, the immensurable love, which I have not always been able to express as I should like; in the hope that you, too, my fondly and eternally loved Father, bearing in mind how much my feelings have been storm-tossed will forgive me(..)


But still, many of his parents’ letters to him complain of his egoism, his lack of consideration for the family, his constant demands for money and his discourtesy in failing to answer most of their letters. I seriously think that the mellow hearted latters were just so he could ask for money after.

By 1835, he had joined a tavern club, ran himself deeply into debt and almost got expelled from the University of Bonn(where he was studying Law) for “ nocturnal drunkness and riot. He had a bad academic performance and threatened to become a professional poet instead of a lawyer. In 1836, he fought a duel and was wounded over the eye. The University of Bonn then forced Marx to transfer to another university, the elder Marx agreed and so he went to Berlin.

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It was at the University of Berlin that the intellectual forces in karl Marx became sinews and the whole pattern of his life began to take shape. Although he complied (…) and studied law, it was a half-hearted camouflage to cover up his avid exploration of philosophy. In the middle of this exploration, his father died and he immediately came out in the open with his announcement that he would seek an academic career. He wanted to occupy a chair of philosophy at some university.


So far, what do we have so far? A man who can not keep a friend since he was a child, whose own family calls him egotistical and uncaring, who indebted himself and was sustained by his father’s money. Sounds like a toxic person.

His father wanted him to be a lawyer, but he wanted to explore philosophy. I think this really rings a bell, all those losers who choose formations without proper marketable skills or who drop out college altogether to discover themselves. The fact that Marx was doing the equivalent of his time is one of the reasons his ideas have a lot of appeal with his modern-day followers.

His dissertation theme was: “The Difference between the Natural Philosophy of Democritus and of Epicurus.” In which he favored the Epicureans’ materialism, because it allowed for an energizing principle in matter. He thought that if matter were auto-dynamic, there would be no need for a Creator. For his dissertation’s motto, he chose the cry of Prometheus “ In one word- I hate all the gods!”
Skousen says that during this time of his life, his thoughts were dominated by three things: his desire to discover aphilosophy of nature; his desire to completely repudiate all forms of religion; his desire to win the hand of the daughter of Baron von Westphalen.

In Berlin, he became a Hegelian, close to a left wing ground bound on destroying Christianity. His associates published books to discredit Christianity, and Marx and one of them, Bruno Bauer, would go on to publish a Journal of Atheism, except that they lacked the resources and the magazine never went to print.

In 1841, Ludwig Feuerbach published his Essence of Christianity, on which he ridiculed Christianity and argued that man was the highest form of intelligence in the universe. Of course, this idea had a lot of appeal to Marx, who was an arrogant and megalomaniacal person since childhood and also had written a similar idea for a doctorate thesis. Skousen says:

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Marx had bluntly said "it is necessary to recognize as the highest divinity, the human self-consciouness itself!”

But the government cracked down on this anti-christian campaign and so Marx fled to Jena, where he received his degree of doctor of philosophy in April 1841.
Still, the Prussian authorities cracked down of Marx for a pamphlet he had written with Bauer and he was assured he would never teach anywhere in Germany.

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Now the revolutionary spirit flamed high in Marx, somehow he must start a movement to remake the world. However, to succeed in such a task he felt he must have the companion ship of Jenny von Westphalen, daughter of a German aristocrat(…). For seven years he had corresponded with her. (…) Said he: “Jenny! If we can but weld our souls together, then with contempt shall I fling my glove in the world’s face, then shall I stride through the wreckage a creator!”


He made it clear he wanted to be a revolutionary, it probably had the same appeal to women that the starving artist had/has. Incredibly, they got married in June 1843, how the hell did her father allow that? Marx was unemployed, which he would be for all of their married life, also, Skounsen says he “never acquired the slightest comprehension of the responsabilities which a husband assumes as the head of the family.” Still, Jenny remained loyal to Marx, under circumstances which would have crushed a weaker woman. I guess that women always reward bad men no matter what, their family will get fucked up, it really gets worse.

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“Regular work bored him; conventional occupation put him out of humor. Without a penny in his pocked and with his shirt pawned, he surveyed the world with a lordly air(…).(…) He was ridiculously ineffectual in his economic endeavors to cope with the economic needs of his household and family; and his incapacity in monetary matters involved him in an endless series of struggles and catastophres. He was always in debt; was incessantly being dunned by creditors(…) Half his household goods were always at the pawnshop. His budget defied all the attempts to set it in order. His bankruptcy was chronic. The thousands upon thousands which Engels handed over to him melted away in his fingers like snow”


THIS MAN LADIES AND GENTLEMAN! This is the man that people want to follow for economic advice. A man incapable of sustaining his own family, who never, ever, had a honest day of work in life. Again, another parallel with modern day followers. Marx was an academic, an eternal student, which can be a good thing, but it never is if you do not apply it to the real world. He was all theory and no action, just like today’s Marxists, their lack of contact with reality fully incapacitates them of viewing the world how it is. They do not have a proper job, or are only theorists, and think their doctrine, who comes from a man from similar background, is the answer for the world’s problems. Also, this is the same reason for why Marxism is so appealing to youngsters, their limited contact of reality renders them blind to it and they fully embrace Marxist ideals as gospel. Marxism comes from ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.

Continuing. Enter Friederich Engels. I must say I guess I disdain this guy even more than Marx. Skousen says:

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In many ways Engels was the very opposite of Karl Marx. He was tall, slender, vivacious and good natured. He enjoyed athletics, liked people and was by nature an optimist. He was born in Barmen, Germany (…) son of a textile manufacturer who owned large factories in Barmen, Germany, and in Manchester, England. From his earliest youth, Engels was chafed under the iron discipline of his father, and he learned to despise the textile factories and all they represented. As he matured it was natural that he should have lined himself up with the “industrial proletariat”.


Engels. Engels was the first caviar leftist, he would go on to preach revolution while sustained by the very own forces that he opposed, as well as trying to sustain Marx. Hypocrisy is an important part of Marxism because its founders were highly hypocritical themselves.
Also, Engels and Marx were similar on that they never had to work on their whole life and both had contempt for the capitalistic system, Engels because of his father and Marx because he felt he was impoverished by it. Engels was also a Hegelian, fucking Hegel and his Phenomenology of the Spirit.

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The strange relationship which rapidly developed between Marx and Engels can be understood only when it is realized that Engels considered it a privilege to be associated with such a genius as Marx. Among other things, he counted it an honor to be allowed to assume responsibility for Marx’s financial support

Admire! Engels, unlike Marx, had not gone through any extensive university training, therefore he was as ignorant as the masses that follow Marxism nowadays, that’s why he thought Marx was such a genius. Not that you have to go through university to have knowledge, what I am saying is that Engels, like today’s Marxists, had a very limited grasp on subjects such as history, economics, sociology, philosophy, and others; and yet, he thought he had the truth of the universe lined up in a simple way that only him, and Marx, could understand.
Marxists, like Engels, think they know more than they really know, therefore, Engels was the first Marxist in history, because at least Marx was well read.

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“Please, take it as a matter of course that it will be the greatest pleasure in the world to place at your disposal the fee I hope shortly to receive for my English literary venture. I can get along without any money for now, for my father will have to keep me in funds. We cannot allow the dogs to enjoy having involved you in the pecuniary embarrassment by their infamous behavior.”


Marx made a cuck out of Engels, who once again shows to be a spoiled little brat. Engels Senior could have prevented this world if he had not given money to his son. I am kind of joking here, but a lot of evil could be avoided by good parents who do not let their children get involved in such activities as “being communists/socialists”, seriously, just cut their money and teach them the value of laboring to make your own money. It will give them a touch of reality that all Marxists desperately need.

In August 1847, Marx and Engels overtook the “Workers’ Educational Society” in Brussels. In 1848, they were invited by the “Federation of the Just” (later know as the Communist League), to participate in their second congress as representatives of the communist organizations in Brussels. That they did, Skousen says:
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(they) not only attended the congress but practically took it over. (…) they succeeded in getting the congress to adopt all of their basic views. Marx and Engels were then commissioned to write a declaration of principles or a “Manifest to the World”.”

The Communist Manifesto stated that International Communism stood for:
1 the overthrow of capitalism
2 abolition of private property
3 the elimination of the family as a social unit
4 the abolition of all classes
5 the overthrow of all governments
6 the establishment of a communist order

To achieve this, the Manifesto was clear about the course of action:
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In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite!


Since their Manifesto, the Marxists have been asking for other people to do stuff for them. Marx and Engels were not the men of revolution, they wanted other people to do it for them while they would administer it. They, like Marxists today, were too weak willed to actually do it themselves, they would never have picked up arms if the time came. The similarities with today never cease to amaze me.

On the nature of a Marxist’s adherence to his ideology:
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Carl Schurz says: “ I was eager to hear the words of wisdom that would, I supposed, fall from the lips of so celebrated a man. I was greatly disappointed. What Marx said was unquestionably weighty, logical and clear. But never have I seen any one whose manner was more insufferably arrogant. He would not give me a moment’s consideration to any opinion that differed from his own. He treated with open contempt everyone who contradicted him… Those whose feelings he had wounded by his offensive manner were inclined to vote in favor of everything which ran counter to his wishes… far from winning new adherents, he repelled many who might have been inclined to support him.”


Easily recognizable attitude that Marxists have today. Try telling them that there are only two genders or that men and women are not equal. Must repeat dogma!

By 1852, Marx was living in London on a one-room apartment in the slums. His nature had cut him from almost all of his former associates, and when the leaders of the Communist League were arrested in Germany, he found himself completely isolated; only Engels remained.

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From this time on the Marx family lived in London in the most extreme poverty. (…) He confessed in a letter to Engels that the nocturnal tears and lamentations of his wife were almost beyond endurance. Then, in the same letter, he blithely went about explaining how he was spending his whole time studying history, politics, economics and social problems (…).


What to expect from a man who wanted to abolish the family unit?

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In 1852 his little daughter Francisca, died. Two years later marked the passing of his young son, Edgar, and two years after that a baby died in birth.


This man let his own children die in the squalor of a slum because he was too stupid to control the spending of the money that was given to him, and because he was too dedicated to his cause instead of getting a job and sustaining his wife and kids.

Just like Marx, his followers keep putting themselves in dire situations because of their own stupidity and lack of real priorities. Marxist governments do the same in a larger scale.

His wife stayed with him until the very end, even after her children were dying around her. The following letter is one of the most disturbing about the life Karl Marx gave his family, it was written by his wife, Jenny.

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“Let me describe only one day of this life, as it actually was…. Since wet-nurses are exceedingly expensive here, I made up my mind, despite terrible pains in the breasts and the back, to nurse the baby myself. But the poor little angel drank in so much sorrow with the milk that he was continually fretting, in violent pain day and night. Since he has been in the world, he has not slept a single night trough, at most two or three hours. Of late, there have been violent spasms, so that the child is continually betwixt life and death. When thus afflicted, he sucked so vigorously that my nipple became sore, and bled; often the blood streamed into his little mouth. One day I was sitting like this when our landlady suddenly appeared… Since we could not pay this sum (of five pounds) instantly, two brokers came into the house, and took possession of all my belongings- bedding, clothes, everything, even the baby’s cradle and the little girl’s toys, so that the children wept bitterly. They threatened to take everything away in two hours(fortunately they did not). If this had happened I should have had to lie on the floor with my freezing children beside me…”


What does Marx do about this? Let’s see: First he got 160 pounds from his uncle, this was very big sum of money at the time. Instead of using this to pay his debts and give his family better conditions, he went on a trip around Germany and had drinking excursions with old friends, had himself photographed and visited his mother. When he got home, Jenny was horrified to find out that almost nothing remained of the money.

As in all the cases with Marxist parents, the children were the most affected:
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(…) the Marx children bore the scars of their upbringing. When Marx interfered with the courtship of his daughter, Eleanor, she entered a free-love union with Edward Aveling and, following a most wretched existence with him, committed suicide. Another daughter, Laura, married a renegade doctor and later died with him in a suicide pact.


In 1881, Jenny, his wife died. Thirteen months later, his favorite daughter, also Jenny, suddenly died. Engels said that after that, Marx was as good as dead. He died 2 months later.

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(…) six or seven persons followed the casket of Karl Marx to Highgate cemetery in London and there his one abiding friend, Friederich Engels, read a funeral oration. It was the kind of oration Marx would have liked to have heard. It granted him in death what Marx was never granted in life, unequivocal tribute of glowing praise

Skousen then says it all with this:

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Karl Marx projected into Communism the very essence of his own nature. His resentment of political authority expressed itself in a ringing cry for universal revolution. His refusal or inability to compete in a capitalistic economy wrung from him a vitriolic denunciation of that economy and a prophecy that its destruction was inexorably decreed. His deep sense of insecurity pushed him to create out of his own imagination a device for interpreting history which made progress inescapable and Communist millennium unavoidable . His personal attitude toward religion, morals and competition in everyday existence led him to long for an age when men would have no religion, morals or competition in everyday existence. He wanted to live in a classless stateless, noncompetitive society where there would be such lavish production of everything that men, by simply producing according to their apparent ability, would automatically receive a superabundance of all material needs.


Marxists are truly the offspring of Karl Marx. They are naturally as pathetic as the man himself, being a Marxist is only a matter of consequence to them. Being pathetic ensures being a Marxist.
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Ouch, that is damning for Marx.

This is the man they followed, a drunkard, a loser, a horrible father and husband.

Not much have changed, there are plenty of these marxist deadbeat fathers around and many of their children are finally speaking out.

There is that saying about the boomer marxists: "They loved the revolution more than their own children".

Marxists are horrible people, just absolutely detestable people.
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He was living during the peak of human civilization at the time; wealth unheard of to previous generations was available to him. And all he could do was complain, and drag down all of those around him.

What a wretched wastrel. How much worse are those who don't speak out against these monsters, allowing them to flourish.
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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels

Why do you think it's so easy to play them and take as you wish from them? They're some of the most foolish people out there especially the women.

It's almost an honor for them to fuck me because of certain factors involving how I make a small part of my bread. They idealize the arm chair philosopher and artist.

"Until the day when God shall deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is summed up in these two words,— 'Wait and hope'."- Alexander Dumas, "The Count of Monte Cristo"

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Game saves lives.

Don't debate me.
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As much as I despise communism it seems to be working for Cuba and China.

Don't debate me.
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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels

Reminds me of a quote I read this morning in Meditations:

"Whenever you meet someone, ask yourself first this immediate question: What beliefs does this person hold about the good and bad in life? Because if he believes this or that about pleasure and pain and their constituents, about fame and obscurity, death and life, then I shall not find it surprising or strange if he acts in this way or that way, and I shall remember that he has no choice but to act as he does. It would be absurd to be surprised at a fig tree bearings figs..."

Many Marxists and others who hold these ideas are by far the laziest group of people I've ever met. When someone begins to espouse these ideas I ask them a simple question. "Have you really given it your all to get out of the situation you're complaining about? It's probably not the evil system it's you."

The responses is always "But it shouldn't be that way." It's never "Yes, I have I have given it my all." In other words, they blame others and circumstances and fail to control what they can control. It's a mindset based in weakness.
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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels

Fun fact: There's some German (male) feminist who claims that he also used to beat his wife. Said feminist of course thinks that was the only bad thing Marx did that matters...
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Quote: (02-15-2016 02:21 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

As much as I despise communism it seems to be working for Cuba and China.


When China was staunchly Communist under Mao, mass executions, concentration camps and starvation were common place (tens of millions died). Fortunately, the Chinese (being smarter than us) figured in time that following economical advice from a destitute and irresponsible dreamer (Marx) and a boy with serious daddy issues (Engels)...was not smart at all. Because of that, the Chinese adopted Capitalism in all but name.

The same can be said about Vietnam.

Both are not successful because of Communism, but rather despite Communism.



Also, if Communism is working in Cuba...then how come many Cubans dream about reaching Florida 24/7?
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Communism is the most worthless form of thought ever invented by man. And I've never met a valuable communist. All the comunists I've known were, fucked ups, daydreamer, wimps, lunatics with a dictator trait. Trying to blame others for their own mistakes. Never accepting responsibilities.
Most of them don't really know what communism really means. There was always something which felt wrong. Marx was also probably a faggot.
Some say Marx belonged to one of wealthiest families in Europe.
He developed plato's idiotic theories. Which even plato rejected partially in the end of his life.

Capitalism is the sole system which gives any person the ability to thrive. Of course with some rules.
How is it possible after looking to USSR and USA (of the 80's). People still have doubts. Whats the doubt? Isn't it fucking obvious. People tried to jump through barb wire in Berlin to live in capitalist regimes.
Until another better system is created pure capitalism (with anti-trusts, etc, etc) is the best form of economic system known to man. It sure ain't communism.

Comunists are weak cunts who want the state to take care of themselves. Since they are dependent. They want bigger governments since there's no accountability on public money spending. And the funds are by coercion and force taken away from the people through taxes. Without any merit.
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Didn't he also fail the civil service exam? That seems to be a recurring charactieristic of nearly every revolutionary figure.
Eric Hoffer had a field day with people of this stripe:

"Those who see their lives as spoiled and wasted crave equality and fraternity more than they do freedom. If they clamor for freedom, it is but freedom to establish equality and uniformity. The passion for equality is partly a passion for anonymity: to be one thread of the many which make up a tunic; one thread not distinguishable from the others. No one then can point us out, measure us against others and expose our inferiority."

“There are many who find a good alibi far more attractive than an achievement. For an achievement does not settle anything permanently. We still have to prove our worth anew each day: we have to prove that we are as good today as we were yesterday. But when we have a valid alibi for not achieving anything we are fixed, so to speak, for life.”

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The left's biggest problem has always been bridging the gap between the intellectual ivory dweller types with the people they are supposedly campaigning for: the working class. You see this today when you compare the head in the clouds Marxists lurking on college campuses and coffee shops with the blue collar guy going to the local dive bar for a pint after his shift at the construction site but this isn't a new dynamic, it's been going since the very beginning of founding of Marxism. There was another philosopher named Max Stirner who was hanging out with the left Hegalians, the same crowd that Marx and Engels were a part of. He and a couple of his compatriots once attempted to start a milk shop that would be operated on co-operative principles. The shop failed because the working class customers that were meant to be their customers would feel anxious and nervous upon walking into the shop after seeing the well-dressed intellectuals standing around in a luxuriously decorated store discussing pie in the sky revolutionary ideas. That serves as a very apt illustration of the perpetual problem these "intellectual" revolutionary types have had with reaching out to the people they wish to save.
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So he was a neckbeard Atheist before it was cool. What a hipster.
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Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!
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Quote: (08-27-2016 02:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!

Das Kapital was a great work for its time, but it became a dated work. There's no doubt that Marx was intelligent just that I disagree with his worldview and solutions. Not to mention his modern day followers are the most socially retarded freaks society has to offer minus a few rather strange Johnny Deppish commie associates of mine whom are good entertainment.


I'm much more of a Stirner guy in all honesty(and lets be real Marx's "criticisms o Stirner were such horseshit they weren't even published until he was dead). Take what you want, care for what you want, and make the world yours.

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Quote: (08-27-2016 02:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!

Plato´s republic was a nonsense. Just like Capital from Marx. I´ve read both. Das Kapital was sufferable. Extremely painful to read. The level of dehumanization is ridiculous. In common they have the lack of freedom. Both republic and Kapital are systems were a king god or a dictatorship of the proletariat rule through absolute power over citizens.

Incredibly how can we still discuss the filth which is communism after the empirical evidence it doesn´t work. Not only it doesn´t work. But cause extreme suffering and poverty to the people where this heinous system is applied. It´s a ullysses siren song. Equality, equality they sing. Opression, hunger, poverty and wealth to a small elite is the reality.

All communist regimes get stuck in the dictatorship. Since human nature and not some naive idea of mankind rule. We should accept human nature with his faults and take the best of it. Not pretend or recreate some false debased notion of man. Private vices and public benefits.

Das Kapital was/is and will always will be horseshit. What I don´t understand is why there´s so much complacency towards communism. Since they basically retards who want a dictatorship.

Capitalism has many, many faults. But it´s the best system known to man.

But hey you can always buy a one way ticket to Venezuela. And experience communism first hand. Do it. And get back to me.

Communists are a threat to public safety, prosperity and wealth of a nation. And there´s a reason why the US is/was number 1. They tracked down communists. Joseph McCarthy's should be considered a national hero. How many people were saved from hunger and misery by this man.

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Capitalism is man exploiting man. Communism is the other way around.

Don't debate me.
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"Socrates meets Marx" by Peter Kreeft explores Marx's own life and what his contemporaries, who knew him personally thought of him. It can't be an ad hominem to point out that a self proclaimed economic genius and savior of the laboring class, in fact never worked a day in his life and avoided the working classes like the plague.
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Quote: (08-27-2016 02:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!

I wouldn't blame your despair either. This is the kind of crap passes for 'argument' on this forum lately.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who is a blatant homophobe not to mention a worshipper of Senator McCarthy.
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Quote: (08-28-2016 03:02 PM)Traktor Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 02:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!

I wouldn't blame your despair either. This is the kind of crap passes for 'argument' on this forum lately.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who is a blatant homophobe not to mention a worshipper of Senator McCarthy.

It´s incredibly ironic how you are the one making arguments ad hominem. Instead of making any rebuttal about Marx alleged homosexuality. You criticize my arguments as crap without explaining.

In fact the homosexuality or not of Marx is relevant. Since we are discussing his life. We are discussing Marx as a person. Not his work. Even though for me his work is a direct consequence of his life.

Moreso you´ve cherry picked one argument. When my text have several others.

I´ve read most of politcal theories. Remarkably there´s still idiots defending socialism. How is it possible.

Imagine a football coach. One tactics wins the games. The other loses. And some idiot manage to defend the losing tactic. Incredible.

It´s a fact socialism doesn´t work. Never did. And never will. I heard some remarks about Marx. The fact he was always asking for loans. His fiscal indiscipline. Alleged gay relationship with Engels. Didn´t knew he was a trash who wouldn´t even support his family. Still there are a lot of genius scumbags. But Marx is not one of them. He just recycled Plato. Like More had already did with Utopia.

I will now create a political system called Rooshopia. It´s a society without death. Let´s call the land Rooshodia. A land where people don´t die. NOW in order for people not to die. We will have to pass through a phase called dictatorship of the useful. The useful people will rule. And from there we will achieve a perfect state where nobody dies or gets sick.

It´s nice isn´t it? But it doesn´t fucking work. Because human nature makes us die. And no dictatorship of whatever name you want to call it will change it. You can create a law saying there will be sunshine everyday but guess what it fucking rains anyway. No law will change it.

Reality contradicted Marx. As the workers under capitalism beggined to improve their life. Which led to Bernstein. Much more dangerous than Marx. He believed in peaceful infiltration of communism in democratic societies. He was a zionist (take this sentence how you want). And he was right. Unfortutanetely communism is slowly infiltratting our societies.

Maybe technology some day might create a alternative reality. But for now all we got is capitalism.

You told me to read Capital. I advise you to read Aristotle. Ethics of Nihomachean. Also Aquinae. And Tocqueville.

Not even in my youngest gullible more liberal years I´ve had any type of sympathy for communism. Never. And I doubt will ever will. Honestly can´t stand loser mentality. And communism is a losers political system. why does anyone willingly want to live worse? Why for fuck sake?

Prove me wrong. Name me one succesfull communist country. And I could go much deeper.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time, and ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down — they are truly down."

J McCarthy
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Personalities of Karl Marx and Friederich Engels

Quote: (08-27-2016 02:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2016 04:19 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

Marx was also probably a faggot.

Top class discussion here men! Reduce the founder of sociology to a collection of personal foibles and anecdotes!

A faggot even!

That's called ad hominem, the lowest form of argument. Someone got an entire book out of it? At least he found an audience.

May I suggest you read Das Kapital? No, don't bother.

Deep forum ahoy!

Your attempt of implying that Das Kapital has any sensible value means that you have not read it or has not understood it. It's okay, its a fairly long and hard read and I haven't read all of it either.

But anyways, Das Kapital is a work that encompasses history, sociology, economics, etc. But most of it has been rebutted already in the 19th century. Some os its historical aspects are either plain guesswork from Marx and Engels trying to make up arguments (pre private property sociology, which pretty much all antropologists prove that what they say was not real) or simply deliberately wrong, again in order to invent arguments (roman/greek slavery methods of production and correlation with government systems).

The post is mainly about his life, about how a pathetic man he was, but his work is equally pathetic as we have seen the results in the last century and even now in Venezuela. Pathetic men, who do not hold them to the truth and facts tend to make pathetic works. It is important to know who is writing what, their agenda and their influences in life. If Marx were writing parental advice you probably would not want to take it seriously after seeing how his family turned out.
Also, wtf? Founder of sociology? Marx was not, it was Max Weber.
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