After reading of Roosh's experiences in Argentina (where I had impressions similar to his ones) I want to bring up cultural differences.
They are, in fact a fundamental factor to be taken into account when approaching women.
Yes, I do believe the game has to be put in sync with the scenario you are in.
I lived in Italy, Paris, London, Spain and now in Los Angeles.
I noticed several patterns, that are (questionable) generalizations to be taken as rules of thumb, still, I think it might be useful to list them as these differences cannot be disregarded:
- Italian and Spanish girls are less outgoing when it comes to hitting on guys. It is uncommon to see a girl approach a guy in a public place, unless you have a mutual friend, with the open intent to sleep with him.
In the UK and especially in the USA instead, I had girls walk over with the blatant attempt to hit on me or my friends.
In Italy or Spain girls go out with a well established group of friends and are perhaps less eager to mingle with a stranger.
- Italian & Spanish girls are also less eager to hand out their numbers. They "appear" more difficult.
On the contrary in the USA, or at least in LA, a girl would give her number to a monkey, if the monkey could ask (I guess the number-asking ego boost is something they cant deny).
- Good news is that if an italian or a spanish girl hand out her number, she is more likely genuinely interested in you.
Flaking isnt that common, certainly not as common as in the US, where I'm appalled by the amount of flakes.
In general I think flakiness is a trait of American (pardon me, lets say of Los Angeles) culture that affects not only superficial pick ups in bars and clubs, but life in general.
As a matter of fact flakiness manifests in a business environment in several ways, for once with the idiosyncratic need to reschedule meetings on and on, just because you can, not because you really need to. Commitment to your own word appear very blurry in american culture.
In Europe everything is a bit more rigid, more strict.
Why "mediterranean girls" should be considered less flaky?
Many factors, of course, where religion often plays a big role.
However I believe the underlying reason is the fact that people with this type of cultural background are capable of saying no.
In Europe I had girls refusing to give mer their numbers more than once. Still, they did it in a nice, not antagonistic way.
I noticed that in the USA, the dichotomy between sexes is very strong (i.e. girls have girl nights out, guys do the same).
In Europe, I guarantee you, this boundary isnt so definite.
To say it more bluntly: in Europe I had several girls that were simply friends, no matter their appearance and how good looking they were.
In LA it is way more difficult to achieve that.
The "I'm a Girl you are a Boy" schemata is very powerful.
Anyway, I digress, I believe that some girls (Spain, Italy, France, Uk to a certain extent) dont end up dragged into situations (i.e. dates) they dont like, just to avoid "hurting his feelings" or because they werent capable to state they werent interested.
In LA, I guarantee you that I got, tons of times, phone numbers from girls that had a boyfriend and were unavailable.
Once again, incapable of saying no?
- A major difference I noticed that some might appreciate (I certainly do):
After the first date, european girls have no problem whatsoever in calling a guy and invite him out on a 2nd date.
Actually, it is very common.
In the US - once again I mean in LA - this is very unlikely to happen.
I noticed that in California the ball is always in the guy's court, he has to ask her out several times before the relationship becomes balanced and there is mutual and equal involvement and effort.
Personally I'm not a fan of this "american" way of dating, as it is fundamentally flawed and boosts misunderstandings.
After all if a girl calls you to ask you out the 2nd time (as it happens in the Old World), the reciprocity of the relationship immediately makes clear if there is any interest.
In LA a girl mindset is sadly wired to play mind games.
It is a defense mechanism.
Her insecurities trigger a frame that is "I shouldnt be calling him because I could appear too eager and also because first I need to determine if he is really interested into me and willing to make major efforts".
Hollywood spawns tons of movies that highlight this neurotic behavior, from old classics like 'Swingers' (who can forget the scene where Mike/Jon Favreau leaves 7 voicemail messages on the answering machine of the girl he just met at the bar, LOL) to the ones coming out these days, like He Is not That Into You.
If you can laugh about it it is evident the issue has been acknowledged and is very real!
In Europe, girls are less neurotic when it comes to connect with a guy, on a physical or emotional level.
If they want something they appear more assertive (once, and only once the guy has done the first step).
In conclusion, they are probably more difficult to get, but afterwards they are a way more reliable "investment".
Anyway, I stressed my points long enough.
Anybody has specific experiences about other countries or something to add?
They are, in fact a fundamental factor to be taken into account when approaching women.
Yes, I do believe the game has to be put in sync with the scenario you are in.
I lived in Italy, Paris, London, Spain and now in Los Angeles.
I noticed several patterns, that are (questionable) generalizations to be taken as rules of thumb, still, I think it might be useful to list them as these differences cannot be disregarded:
- Italian and Spanish girls are less outgoing when it comes to hitting on guys. It is uncommon to see a girl approach a guy in a public place, unless you have a mutual friend, with the open intent to sleep with him.
In the UK and especially in the USA instead, I had girls walk over with the blatant attempt to hit on me or my friends.
In Italy or Spain girls go out with a well established group of friends and are perhaps less eager to mingle with a stranger.
- Italian & Spanish girls are also less eager to hand out their numbers. They "appear" more difficult.
On the contrary in the USA, or at least in LA, a girl would give her number to a monkey, if the monkey could ask (I guess the number-asking ego boost is something they cant deny).
- Good news is that if an italian or a spanish girl hand out her number, she is more likely genuinely interested in you.
Flaking isnt that common, certainly not as common as in the US, where I'm appalled by the amount of flakes.
In general I think flakiness is a trait of American (pardon me, lets say of Los Angeles) culture that affects not only superficial pick ups in bars and clubs, but life in general.
As a matter of fact flakiness manifests in a business environment in several ways, for once with the idiosyncratic need to reschedule meetings on and on, just because you can, not because you really need to. Commitment to your own word appear very blurry in american culture.
In Europe everything is a bit more rigid, more strict.
Why "mediterranean girls" should be considered less flaky?
Many factors, of course, where religion often plays a big role.
However I believe the underlying reason is the fact that people with this type of cultural background are capable of saying no.
In Europe I had girls refusing to give mer their numbers more than once. Still, they did it in a nice, not antagonistic way.
I noticed that in the USA, the dichotomy between sexes is very strong (i.e. girls have girl nights out, guys do the same).
In Europe, I guarantee you, this boundary isnt so definite.
To say it more bluntly: in Europe I had several girls that were simply friends, no matter their appearance and how good looking they were.
In LA it is way more difficult to achieve that.
The "I'm a Girl you are a Boy" schemata is very powerful.
Anyway, I digress, I believe that some girls (Spain, Italy, France, Uk to a certain extent) dont end up dragged into situations (i.e. dates) they dont like, just to avoid "hurting his feelings" or because they werent capable to state they werent interested.
In LA, I guarantee you that I got, tons of times, phone numbers from girls that had a boyfriend and were unavailable.
Once again, incapable of saying no?
- A major difference I noticed that some might appreciate (I certainly do):
After the first date, european girls have no problem whatsoever in calling a guy and invite him out on a 2nd date.
Actually, it is very common.
In the US - once again I mean in LA - this is very unlikely to happen.
I noticed that in California the ball is always in the guy's court, he has to ask her out several times before the relationship becomes balanced and there is mutual and equal involvement and effort.
Personally I'm not a fan of this "american" way of dating, as it is fundamentally flawed and boosts misunderstandings.
After all if a girl calls you to ask you out the 2nd time (as it happens in the Old World), the reciprocity of the relationship immediately makes clear if there is any interest.
In LA a girl mindset is sadly wired to play mind games.
It is a defense mechanism.
Her insecurities trigger a frame that is "I shouldnt be calling him because I could appear too eager and also because first I need to determine if he is really interested into me and willing to make major efforts".
Hollywood spawns tons of movies that highlight this neurotic behavior, from old classics like 'Swingers' (who can forget the scene where Mike/Jon Favreau leaves 7 voicemail messages on the answering machine of the girl he just met at the bar, LOL) to the ones coming out these days, like He Is not That Into You.
If you can laugh about it it is evident the issue has been acknowledged and is very real!
In Europe, girls are less neurotic when it comes to connect with a guy, on a physical or emotional level.
If they want something they appear more assertive (once, and only once the guy has done the first step).
In conclusion, they are probably more difficult to get, but afterwards they are a way more reliable "investment".
Anyway, I stressed my points long enough.
Anybody has specific experiences about other countries or something to add?
