[Vinny]

I have been to Ukraine for 2 weeks in January and due to freezing temperatures replaced daygame with online game. Tinder and Badoo brought me one decent notch each and tens of leads and phone numbers.
Now I am in the Netherlands for work and I am trying the same thing. Nothing, complete silence. Similar thing happened to me in Malaga Spain this November.
Where in Thailand and Ukraine Tinder and Badoo are full of life, here it seems like a photoalbum without a sign of life.
Is my look a DLV here or am I using wrong apps?

[262]

The sexual marketplace favors attractive women more in the West than the places you mentioned due to feminism, socialism, higher rates of obesity, etc.

Looks are also more important in the West, so if you want similar success there, you must improve your looks more (lift, dress, groom, etc).

Tinder is the app to use, but since the competition is higher in the West, you're better off with social circle game, day game, and night game, in that order.

[SoliloquyOfChaos]

Women are way more independent financially and feminism is very rooted in the Netherlands. The Dutch culture encourages individual overconfidence, and whoever lived either in the Netherland or in Flanders can acknowledge on this point. Plus, the competition is very high and the exotic factor is zero, as there are plenty of guys from Suriname, Antilla, North-Africa and other minorities. Good point is that ONS are not something unusual there is this is what you are looking for.


Thus, women have way more options in real life and through social circles in the Netherlands. Even mediocre looking women can allow themselves to be picky. Some even tell you that they "don't meet people that they know via internet". It indicates you at which point they have virtually abundant choice in terms of men. If you still wish to try internet pipelining, go for Tinder. If you are tall (I am not, 5ft7, probably the main reason of my lack of success with them lol) and your look is pleasant to the girls, you may have a decent chance.


But as Roosh explained it in Bang, feminist women can be banged by guys that swine any drop of machism. If you are a guy from a minority or you have non-Caucasian looks, I would advice you to target college girls that are involved in leftist studies or some kind of artistic shit. I used to talk with such a Dutch girl, a average chubby 6 college chick, who is involved in student boards coordination and stuff like that, very feminist alongside the American feminist model, but from what she told me after we made out, her previous bang was with guys from minorities (the guy before me was a Black European like myself), see the paradox.


Hope that I help with my first post here.


Source : I've lived in Belgium, I go to the Netherlands once every two weeks in average for decades, and I speak passable Dutch.

[Vinny]

I've been to Utrecht this summer came in from Amsterdam to check out the nightlife, for night only. Arrived in the evening and left early morning without even renting a place, as I had one in Amsterdam.
I did very well during the night. Rolled solo, had 2 kiss-closes. But unfortunately no place to bring the chicks. So I was expecting similar attitude in virtual space.
I know my looks are good, but I am getting so little action to the level it makes me think there is some error in the app.
I will keep using tinder as 262 suggested and be persistent. I will try changing main photo to show off more body and see if that draws more attention.
Soliloqui, I am caucasian, some say I look somewhat Latin, Italian or Spanish. Although I am neither of these.
So I am still hoping that there is a glitch, or another app that can bring me more success

[Fury]

I've been living here for a year, Tinder is the way to go as for online game. As 262 said, the competition is very high so you won't be inundated with matches. I have a small niche as a black guy here but it isn't that proliferate. Plus I'm really short so I actually lose a lot of women due to that. Surprisingly, Tinder has been better for me than day and night game in the Netherlands because at least on Tinder I am able to display value through my character and personality, which some tall girls still agreed on a date after discovering my height. Cold approaching women during the day and night clubs guarantees that they automatically see I am not tall.

Although lately on Tinder, it seems it isn't as prevalent as it was a couple years ago. So don't depend too much on it here in the Netherlands unless you are as photogenic as a male model (which I am not one bit).

[asdfk]

The fastest way in the Netherlands is social circle game. I don't know how long you are there, and if you are of the same age as the girls you want to lay. However, joining a social group (even for a few weeks) will help you chances greatly.

If you don't have the time, switch to nightgame. A few things to keep in mind:

- Stay until you get laid or the last girl has left. And I'm not talking has left the club. I mean "has left the front of the club" or "the after hours eatery". - You heighten your chances of getting laid completely by being as patient as possible.
- Take a calm approach. Don't go dancing monkey unless your handsome.
- Don't show up before 2 at night. No need to be there cause nothing is going to happen before that time.

So take it easy, be patient and focus.

If you decide to go that route I can suggest some venues.

[Lime]

(02-03-2016 11:53 AM)SoliloquyOfChaos Wrote:  

Women are way more independent financially and feminism is very rooted in the Netherlands. The Dutch culture encourages individual overconfidence

Do other RVF'ers also have that opinion about the Dutch?

[Mentavious]

It def helps if you're tall there. I've visited a couple of times and I've had a very very good experience when it comes to the easiness of girls. Most girls commented on how they loved my height and looks.

One of the easiest places I've visited so far.

[asdfk]

(02-05-2016 12:31 PM)Lime Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 11:53 AM)SoliloquyOfChaos Wrote:  

Women are way more independent financially and feminism is very rooted in the Netherlands. The Dutch culture encourages individual overconfidence

Do other RVF'ers also have that opinion about the Dutch?

Yes, women are financially independent.
I don't know about feminism per se. But Dutch girls generally are under the illusion that whatever happens, it's never their fault. Cheating on her boyfriend? Yeah, I was just bored with him. They might refuse to assume any responsibility despite undeniable evidence to the contrary.

Also, they rationalise any asocial behaviour on their part as "being empowered, strong and independent". They "choose themselves", which means they get to fuck a man over without any consideration for how he may feel. I think this is encouraged in Dutch culture, be it in dating or in business.

[zatara]

The average height of men in the Netherlands is such a killer for foreigners. Its 6ft 1.5". A solid 4" taller than the UK/USA.

I'm 6ft 0 and I felt distinctly short there in clubs. Quite an odd feeling.

[Lime]

Yes 'voor jezelf kiezen'. "Ik kies nu voor mezelf" (I now choose for MYSELF).

[Lime]

I mostly have the feeling that the drugs (mdma, speed, party drugs in general) fueled nightlife plays too big of a role in Amsterdam nowadays so much that coventional nightlife gets somewhat hollowed out. Contrary to popular opinion the Dutch do not smoke a lot of weed. But they do a lot of party drugs.

[Mentavious]

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[Vinny]

(02-05-2016 12:11 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

The fastest way in the Netherlands is social circle game. I don't know how long you are there, and if you are of the same age as the girls you want to lay. However, joining a social group (even for a few weeks) will help you chances greatly.

If you don't have the time, switch to nightgame. A few things to keep in mind:

- Stay until you get laid or the last girl has left. And I'm not talking has left the club. I mean "has left the front of the club" or "the after hours eatery". - You heighten your chances of getting laid completely by being as patient as possible.
- Take a calm approach. Don't go dancing monkey unless your handsome.
- Don't show up before 2 at night. No need to be there cause nothing is going to happen before that time.

So take it easy, be patient and focus.

If you decide to go that route I can suggest some venues.

Great advice asdfk. Nice name btw
I'll describe my situation. I am currently in Rotterdam. Working 12 hours a day in some god forsaken area of the city. So I only have time for online game. I am now pipe lining for my 4 day trip to Utrecht.
4 days, so no social circle. Just, online game, day game and night game.

Actually Tinder is slowly picking up. I am actually not sure if it was some sort of glitch. I did not change anything.

[Vinny]

(02-05-2016 01:19 PM)zatara Wrote:  

The average height of men in the Netherlands is such a killer for foreigners. Its 6ft 1.5". A solid 4" taller than the UK/USA.

I'm 6ft 0 and I felt distinctly short there in clubs. Quite an odd feeling.

I am 6.3, which means I am no longer tall. Just normal

[asdfk]

Holland is so small you can travel to any part within a few hours by train. By car it's even faster.
So I wouldn't rule out girls in other cities just because you'll be staying in Utrecht.
Will you have free time during your stay there, or will you making 12 hour days as well?

[Stallion]

The Golden Age of Badoo in western Europe ended many years ago, don't even bother with it.

I didn't get any tinder matches in the Netherlands until I spoofed my GPS to Manila, gathered a few hundred matches and set it back to my real location. Numbers do matter for the algorithm apparently.

If you don't mind annoying drunk people, join some pubcrawl in Amsterdam during the weekend, tourist girls from all over the world.

[Lime]

(02-06-2016 10:42 AM)Stallion Wrote:  

The Golden Age of Badoo in western Europe ended many years ago, don't even bother with it.

I didn't get any tinder matches in the Netherlands until I spoofed my GPS to Manila, gathered a few hundred matches and set it back to my real location. Numbers do matter for the algorithm apparently.

If you don't mind annoying drunk people, join some pubcrawl in Amsterdam during the weekend, tourist girls from all over the world.

I have around 300 Tinder matches here but social circles are relatively big in the Netherlands I have the feeling and techno/house scene is big so the very hot girls have a lot of options here, leading to them paying not much attention to Tinder. Have to say I am Amsterdam biased. Utrecht, Groningen, Rotterdam, Eindhoven and other cities are different I guess.

Anyone else have these observations about NL?

[Vinny]

(02-06-2016 08:47 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

Holland is so small you can travel to any part within a few hours by train. By car it's even faster.
So I wouldn't rule out girls in other cities just because you'll be staying in Utrecht.
Will you have free time during your stay there, or will you making 12 hour days as well?

No I am completely tourist mode in Utrecht.
Yea I will keep my Tinder search area 30km around Utrecht.

[Lime]

When will you go to Utrecht?

[Stimulus]

(02-06-2016 11:19 AM)Lime Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 10:42 AM)Stallion Wrote:  

The Golden Age of Badoo in western Europe ended many years ago, don't even bother with it.

I didn't get any tinder matches in the Netherlands until I spoofed my GPS to Manila, gathered a few hundred matches and set it back to my real location. Numbers do matter for the algorithm apparently.

If you don't mind annoying drunk people, join some pubcrawl in Amsterdam during the weekend, tourist girls from all over the world.

I have around 300 Tinder matches here but social circles are relatively big in the Netherlands I have the feeling and techno/house scene is big so the very hot girls have a lot of options here, leading to them paying not much attention to Tinder. Have to say I am Amsterdam biased. Utrecht, Groningen, Rotterdam, Eindhoven and other cities are different I guess.

Anyone else have these observations about NL?

It's funny tho. Living in the east of the Netherlands I get tons of matches when spoofing my gps into making Tinder think I'm in Amsterdam/Utrecht/Amersfoort. Over here Tinder is pretty tame for some reason.

[Vinny]

My 2nd week in SEA and I am killing it with online game. Tinder here looks like completely different app comparing to Netherlands. Same photos, same guy, but if I leave it for 2 days and then start swiping then every second girl is a match.
I know it is nothing new, but if you are still in western Europe, leave it now!

Especially you Stimulus You need to try that experience.

[enfuego]

This is very discouraging. I just got back from Thailand, which was like shooting fish in a barrel, and am about to head to the Netherlands. Sigh.

There's a very cool Latin music festival Easter weekend in Rotterdam. Hopefully something good will come from that.

[The Black Knight]

Amsterdam was a tough city for me women wise but I only had a few days.

No warmth from the chicks.
No exotic value.
Dudes are tall as fuck (I'm average height).

You all think Tinder is bad? Try OKC! Holy dogshit was that a waste of time. I had a few leads outside Amsterdam in other cities but with only a few days had no time to test them out.

I really digged Amsterdam the city during the warm months and the vibe though. Canals, nature, clean, public transport to everywhere, easy enough to get by on english only, dense but not overwhelming. Would love to see a city like Amsterdam but with the dating market/demographics more akin to Latin America.

Shiiiiiiiit....

[Travesty]

(03-16-2016 01:15 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

My 2nd week in SEA and I am killing it with online game.

What's the quality like you are banging?