[the1element]

Ive been working on game and myself a lot lately. Eating healthier, working out, dressing nicer and putting myself into situations outside of my comfort zone.

I'm an extroverted dude, I used to think I was an introvert or strong silent type but I definitely get my energy from other people but I only get that energy when people are vibing off of me. If they aren't my energy nosedives and I become very quiet and my state gets all out of whack. I have a very hard time "toning" it down when I'm on and not in my head. I become this whirlwind of energy with NO direction, but there's a problem with that because it's a whirlwind with no direction or control. I talk too much when I get into this state, not so much about myself but stupid things (for lack of a better term I like to always put my 0.02 in, or have something to say)

I'm very much a "joker", I like to prank and overall fuck with people, around other dudes I pull this personality trait back but around women I'm an "asshole" but not in a good way. I usually end up insulting the girl, or say some dumb shit that makes her roll her eyes and leave. I have a very hard time reeling this personality trait in and when I try to reel it in I become this super boring guy. There doesn't seem to be a "middle ground".

I'll give you an example, I was at a bar with some friends. The bartender was friendly with our group, I had to leave early so I walked to the register to the pay the bill taking out a twenty, she reaches her hand out to take the twenty and I pull mine back "faking her out". It seems like a dick move now, but at the time I thought it was funny. That's an example of what I mean by "jokester/pranker".


Another thing I've done is lets say a chick asked me if I'm in school I'll reply no I'm just a lowlife bum who hangs around the bars and hits on attractive women which is meant as a sarcastic reply but they usually just go "oh" or something else then walk away. Maybe my delivery is off?

I guess another aspect could be the incongruence with my personality and my "seduction", I may talk like an asshole or whatever you want to call it but then when I'm alone with a chick I have a very hard time escalating, I care about what other people think of me.

I've studied body language to a degree but I have a very hard time noticing body language, an incredibly hard time because I'm usually to interested in myself. That's the same with looking people in the eyes, I'm awful at that I always get caught up in the interaction and forget to look the person into the eyes. I understand that most communication is done through the non-verbal but I have a hard time applying this into my life. Like I said, I like to talk a lot especially if people let me and respond positively to my talkativeness.

The only time I've seduced a women who I hadn't met online, was at a hostel. She was sitting on her bed which was next to me, I chatted a little with her about mundane crap and looked right through her eyes. I sort of saw them "glaze" over which in my head meant she was getting turned on. I brought up with her that I was going to prank this group of girls from Australia by moving their beds around, she didn't believe I was going to do it but she was game. We moved the beds, and afterwords I had her sit down on my bed next to me and well you know the rest. How can I translate this game over to day game or even night game when my true personality is an over talkative extrovert.

My problem is, I know my game is weak and I have an idea whats wrong but I don't know how to fix my problems. I've tried to tinker but it hasn't really gotten me anywhere.

Is anyone here similar to me in that you like to fuck with people. play pranks and joke around?

Is anyone also an over talkative extrovert? How do you game? How do you tone it down?

Lastly, I understand this is a relatively long post and for the amount of time I have been with the forum I haven't contributed much. I'd like to contribute however I feel I really should just listen because I haven't had much success with women. There's not a lot of value I can offer.

Thanks for reading

element.

[XPQ22]

What's wrong with being an extrovert? Didn't Roosh have a lot of success with being social, and rambling?

(01-29-2016 01:58 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I'll give you an example, I was at a bar with some friends. The bartender was friendly with our group, I had to leave early so I walked to the register to the pay the bill taking out a twenty, she reaches her hand out to take the twenty and I pull mine back "faking her out". It seems like a dick move now, but at the time I thought it was funny. That's an example of what I mean by "jokester/pranker".

Well, if you're judging your success on your ability to pull bartenders (some of the most notoriously difficult women to game on Earth if you're a customer) with silly practical jokes, I think that's a problem. Start small! I've been chatting up bartenders from time to time for months and have accomplished precisely zip.

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I usually end up insulting the girl, or say some dumb shit that makes her roll her eyes and leave.

"Doctor, I have a problem."

"What's that?"

"It hurts when I do this."

"Well, don't do that anymore!"

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Another thing I've done is lets say a chick asked me if I'm in school I'll reply no I'm just a lowlife bum who hangs around the bars and hits on attractive women which is meant as a sarcastic reply but they usually just go "oh" or something else then walk away. Maybe my delivery is off?

Probably not. It's, well, it's sort of a lame line. You dropped a compliment on her right off the bat, right in your opener!

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Is anyone also an over talkative extrovert? How do you game? How do you tone it down?

I don't think you really have to!

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Is anyone here similar to me in that you like to fuck with people. play pranks and joke around?

I'm certainly no expert, maybe someone else can chime in, but I think the reason that you're not having success with your "game" is that you're not really doing it.

This post was helpful to me: thread-52454...pid1175522

[Prof. Ligate]

(01-29-2016 01:58 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I'm very much a "joker", I like to prank and overall fuck with people, around other dudes I pull this personality trait back but around women I'm an "asshole" but not in a good way. I usually end up insulting the girl, or say some dumb shit that makes her roll her eyes and leave. I have a very hard time reeling this personality trait in and when I try to reel it in I become this super boring guy. There doesn't seem to be a "middle ground".

You are uncalibrated. If you are working this kind of teasing into your sets you have to do so with a smirk - otherwise girls will just pass you off as rude. I can guarantee your body language, vocal tonality, facial expressions etc are off.

(01-29-2016 01:58 AM)the1element Wrote:  

Another thing I've done is lets say a chick asked me if I'm in school I'll reply no I'm just a lowlife bum who hangs around the bars and hits on attractive women which is meant as a sarcastic reply but they usually just go "oh" or something else then walk away. Maybe my delivery is off?

If you are not already high value in a woman's eyes, there is no need for self-deprecative attempts at humour such as this. Are you actually a low-life bum? Show some self-respect.

As a newbie, take a question like this as an excuse to play a little flirty game with the girl... make her guess what you do with yourself. Test her. All with that smirk I mentioned earlier.

(01-29-2016 01:58 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I guess another aspect could be the incongruence with my personality and my "seduction", I may talk like an asshole or whatever you want to call it but then when I'm alone with a chick I have a very hard time escalating, I care about what other people think of me.

Work on this. You should have the same fun, flirty energy 24/7.

(01-29-2016 01:58 AM)the1element Wrote:  

I've studied body language to a degree but I have a very hard time noticing body language, an incredibly hard time because I'm usually to interested in myself. That's the same with looking people in the eyes, I'm awful at that I always get caught up in the interaction and forget to look the person into the eyes. I understand that most communication is done through the non-verbal but I have a hard time applying this into my life. Like I said, I like to talk a lot especially if people let me and respond positively to my talkativeness.

Body language is easy to pick-up on once you've read up on it. Look everyone in the eyes that you walk past during the day and this will get easier. Hold eye contact with girls until they look away.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

[WestIndianArchie]

Diagnostic for game?

1) Step 1

You see a cute girl standing by herself

What do you do next

- as you stand there
- as you walk over - what do you do
- first words - what do you say
- her first negative reaction - what do you say and do
- her first positive reaction... - what do you say and do

And how do you take that good reaction and get her into bed that very night?

2) Step 2

It's Friday Night, 6 pm. School/Work is over.

You're going to go out and find some ass.

In your own words, tell me what you do.

@ 6:30
@ 7:00
@ 8:00
@ 9:00 pm
@10
@ 11
@ 12
@1 am
@2 am
@ 3 am
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Don't weasel out of this, try to answer to the best of your ability.

And we'll help you to the best of our ability.

WIA

[muscless]

You just need more practise, you have all the right knowledge, just need to get out there and master it!

These a fine line with being cocky and coming across as a prick! It takes years to master!

I still do the whole giving her the money and pull back. If a girl likes you, she will be up for little fun games and show allot of energy towards you including asking questions about you. Just dont be 2 much of a character or else you come across as a jester!

Just keep practicing until you have mastered it! It takes years where if you want to be a professional at anything in life you need to spend around 10,000 hours doing it!

[Novus]

I wanted to start a similar thread, as I also have high energy and sometimes talk without thinking, I blame it on my add. What Im doing right now is breathing into my balls, like eliot hulse says and just getting more grounded, but I need to get back to just gaming, as I took a few months off to work on me, but I needed the break I think. I would like to hear some suggestions on how to control this problem though.

[Tex]

OP, if you really want to know, it'd be smart to reply to the guy with over 200 reps.

[rudebwoy]

You are obviously young, so first thing would be to mature.

Being a joker equals being a clown, do you want to be percieved as such? It also comes across like you are insecure, especially the remark you made when a girl asked you about what you do.

Playing with the Bartender, achieved what? You would have achieved more witha $5 tip, so next time you would get noticed or served quicker. Sometimes I tip them so they can make my drinks stronger in a club.

I think you are caught in the young boy being cool phase, we all go through it but it is not helping your game.

This is top of my head and having skimmed your post.

Game applies how you deal with people in social situations. I am generally nice to people, unless they treat me otherwise. Then I will walk by them like they are invisible.

[Ensam]

(02-05-2016 10:59 AM)Tex Wrote:  

OP, if you really want to know, it'd be smart to reply to the guy with over 200 reps.

OP doesn't seem to be willing to go through with the exercise but I was and found it very helpful. Started a new thread over here:
thread-53608.html

[the1element]

(02-05-2016 10:59 AM)Tex Wrote:  

OP, if you really want to know, it'd be smart to reply to the guy with over 200 reps.

Yea man, I took a bit of hiatus on game because I felt I needed to work on my social skills and talking to people before I could really focus on getting with women. Now that I feel I have much improved social skills I think I can start focusing on women.

[the1element]

(01-31-2016 10:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Diagnostic for game?

1) Step 1

You see a cute girl standing by herself

What do you do next

- as you stand there Asses the situation, why is she standing there? Is she waiting for a bus? Is she waiting for a friend?
- as you walk over - what do you do Already have an opener in my mind that usually relates to her situation. Ie, she's waiting for the bus "That bus is always late"
- first words - what do you say Whatever relates to the situation, sometimes I just say hi
- her first negative reaction - what do you say and do Watch her body language, and adjust my game accordingly, this is a tough question. It all depends on the sitatuon and context.
- her first positive reaction... - what do you say and do Continue with the subject that she responded positively to, if she goes "Omg I know this bus is never on time" I might say "Maybe its you no the bus with a smirk"

And how do you take that good reaction and get her into bed that very night? Suggest meeting up later for drinks, then lets say the texting went fine, I'd invite her to a local bar with good sexy lighting, share some stories of mine that generally get good reactions from girls, if we have one of those moment where she goes "OMG I had the same thing happen to me" I'd grab her wrist and go "No way". Most of my game is based on stories of mine, and sharing experiences. On our way back to my car and she said something kinda sassy I might slap her ass or something, I find girls react really well to a light slap on the ass. We might do some people watching in the bar and try to guess who's on a tinder date.

From there, I'd take her to go play pool at a local pool hall, teaser her about her lack of pool skills or if she's really good I'd say she's a sandbagger and all she wanted was to run table on me for money. I'd touch her during pool and maybe slap her ass as she's going for a shot to make her fuck it up.

From there I'd take her to this cool waterfall near my place that not many people know about, it's really picturesque and I'll grab her and start kissing her, pushing her up against my car or a tree. Then I'd go back to my place for a movie and from there I'd simply make her a drink, chat a little, go for another makeout, take her to my room to show her some of my photography and bring her to my bed.

That's my general date strategy, before I would invite them right to my place but that only worked on a few occasions with some less than ideal girls.

2) Step 2

It's Friday Night, 6 pm. School/Work is over.

You're going to go out and find some ass.

In your own words, tell me what you do. I work twelve hour shifts so generally when I get home I sleep

@ 6:30 -sleep-
@ 7:00 -sleep
@ 8:00 -sleep-
@ 830 -wake up-
@ 9:00 pm -look for events or things going on that night, listen to some music to pump up my state, might watch a few clips of movies I enjoy
@10 Hit the venue, grab a drink, chill
@ 11 Talk to some of the people that are close to me, guy or girl
@ 12 See if any girls notice me, if they do I'll approach
@1 am Assuming I've approached a girl and there's no friends and conversation is smooth, I'd invite her to grab a drink with me at another bar
@2 am After the drink at the bar, I'd suggest going back to my place and I'll show her some of my photography or w.e bait I have that she would be interested in.
@ 3 am Hopefully in bed with her

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Don't weasel out of this, try to answer to the best of your ability.

And we'll help you to the best of our ability.

WIA

I know I took along time to respond, I took at hiatus from game and worked on my social skills for the better half of this year.

[MediumRare]

I'm also basically an introvert but occasionally I get bursts of extroversion and If I don't catch myself, can start to gabble to the point I then see people switch off.

The problem is its just my own private mental monologue spewing out verbally, and I'm not really connecting with or bringing people with me, I'm just spouting off rapid fire, almost to myself really.

What I found helps, once I realise I'm starting, is to consciously slow my racing mind and speech down and get back into the moment.

I think about what I'm actually trying to say, cutting out the filler to be more concise, consciously use more expression, pauses and eye contact to emphasise the important/funny bits and generally stay in touch with the natural rhythm of a conversation so others have opportunity to contribute.

Proper eye contact is the main key though to clearly expressing your intent as well as clueing you in to the other persons state and holding rapport.

[the1element]

(09-17-2016 02:33 PM)MediumRare Wrote:  

I'm also basically an introvert but occasionally I get bursts of extroversion and If I don't catch myself, can start to gabble to the point I then see people switch off.

The problem is its just my own private mental monologue spewing out verbally, and I'm not really connecting with or bringing people with me, I'm just spouting off rapid fire, almost to myself really.

What I found helps, once I realise I'm starting, is to consciously slow my racing mind and speech down and get back into the moment.

I think about what I'm actually trying to say, cutting out the filler to be more concise, consciously use more expression, pauses and eye contact to emphasise the important/funny bits and generally stay in touch with the natural rhythm of a conversation so others have opportunity to contribute.

Proper eye contact is the main key though to clearly expressing your intent as well as clueing you in to the other persons state and holding rapport.

What really helped me was watching movies with very strong male characters, think Brando, Steve McQueen, Connery. I learned a lot about body language and how to talk as a man by watching these movies. I can't quite explain it, but when you watch movies with these actors you will see what I mean.

[the1element]

went out last night, first to a party that my buddy invited me too and then out to the club. Kind of a new experience for me,

The party had about 15-20 dudes and about 8 or so girls. I didn't really approach any because the atmosphere felt off, I didn't really know the situation with the girls, or if the guys were dating them or whatever. I probably should of approached but I simply felt like an outsider and that if I approached on the guys territory I might of got myself into a bad situation. I mostly hung out with my buddy, one girl smiled at me from across the room but she left quickly after that. Everyone was getting ready to go to this place called Pepper which is a bar/club/live band venue. It has four rooms and usually packed, very young crowd.

My buddy opted to go to this club called Gords, we went and he said his friend was having a birthday there and got bottle service. We hopped the line and made our way into the club, talked to the guy whos birthday it was and then went to the patio. I sort of grew bored just chilling with my buddy, I wanted to chase some tail. There was a group of about eight girls sitting down, I walked over and said

"Girls Night eh?"

To the girl who I was most interested in, she said yea and then asked where my friends were and I just said guys night. She asked why I ditched them and I told her how they wanted to talk to you guys but wouldn't do it so I did it. We talked for a good fifteen twenty minutes, had a decent vibe and I got her number.

I noticed that a lot of the girls in this city are very cliquey, they want to meet people apart of their clique and as an outsider it's very hard to tap into that. We have a strange mix of girls, lots of tattoos, kind of shitty personalities. The city is relatively small being around a 100k population and very close to Niagara Falls, the girls are kind of just "trashy" that's the vibe I get by a lot of them. Trash is almost cool here.

That was about the highlight for the night, I need to go out more

Looking back, I should of told the girl I was talking to that we were going to dance and led her to the dance floor, danced with her a bit, maybe move her to more isolated area of the club and go for a makeout. Then from there grab her number and either text her later or forget the number and keep escalating. Go to another bar and after a few drinks try to get her home, I had poor logistics though, car in a different part of city and no cash for a cab plus no where to bring her back, I'd have to bring my buddy with me and have us go back to his place.

Next time if I feel a decent vibe I will push for more than just a number, I'm somewhat happy with the night. I learned a bit and got to hangout with my buddy. Houseparty was kind of shit, I have never been to a GOOD house party, with a bunch of people, beer pong or what have you and a good ratio. All of the house parties I have been to have been kind of shit, like 15-20 dudes and 5 girls all of which are dating the guys at the party.

I'm going to see if there are some good events in my area and participate in them, especially art shows I really vibe with broads into art and looking back at my notches most of them have been artists themselves.

Today has been mostly recovery from Saturday. Going to watch "The Sand Pebbles starring Steve Mcqueen" and figure out if there are any events going on this week.

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-18-2016 06:07 PM)the1element Wrote:  

I noticed that a lot of the girls in this city are very cliquey, they want to meet people apart of their clique and as an outsider it's very hard to tap into that.

Girls go out with their friends, it's the norm.
If they weren't "clique-y" this game thing would be about taking down solo chicks.

As far as your approach,

You're not really giving them anything to work with, other than stepping up and saying hello.

What about your approach draws them into your web?

You're just another guy, ignoring the group, hitting on the cute one, getting a # and leaving.

The social rules say that they're supposed to be cordial and respond in kind, but they don't have to engage in conversation. A lot of girls ignore the social rules and 1) ignore you, 2) be nasty.

So whatever book you're reading/styling you're following - it's not doing you any good if you don't know how to get things started with a group.

If you were really funny, great story telling, interesting conversation, SOMETHING/ANYTHING, the group gets drawn in.

Why?

If they're sitting there talking to each other, on the phone, drinking - THEY'RE BORED.

Anything is greater than nothing.

I'm not saying you need to entertain them, but if you want to get anywhere with this game thing - you have to get used to dealing with groups of people and giving them something to do, something to talk about, something to look at.

I get that most of you guys are
a) scared of talking to groups
b) trying to steal off the one girl in the group

But you're not going to get better with such a limited vision.

A cute girl is rarely alone. The hotter she is, the less likely you are going to see her by herself.

So that means you need to do something with these groups of chicks.

And by doing something, you become someone of interest.

From their, you can do much more in terms of getting the girl.

WIA

[BrewDog]

The clown game is fine. It's great. I've been laid many times using clown game.

But if it comes across as rude, then it's no longer clown game. What you posted seemed very rude and unfunny. If I were the guy next to you when you said that shit, I would have got up and gone to the bathroom to get away from that travesty.

Clown game has to be funny. If it's just dorky or rude, then it's lame.

[the1element]

(09-18-2016 08:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 06:07 PM)the1element Wrote:  

I noticed that a lot of the girls in this city are very cliquey, they want to meet people apart of their clique and as an outsider it's very hard to tap into that.

Girls go out with their friends, it's the norm.
If they weren't "clique-y" this game thing would be about taking down solo chicks.

As far as your approach,

You're not really giving them anything to work with, other than stepping up and saying hello.

What about your approach draws them into your web?

You're just another guy, ignoring the group, hitting on the cute one, getting a # and leaving.

The social rules say that they're supposed to be cordial and respond in kind, but they don't have to engage in conversation. A lot of girls ignore the social rules and 1) ignore you, 2) be nasty.

So whatever book you're reading/styling you're following - it's not doing you any good if you don't know how to get things started with a group.

If you were really funny, great story telling, interesting conversation, SOMETHING/ANYTHING, the group gets drawn in.

Why?

If they're sitting there talking to each other, on the phone, drinking - THEY'RE BORED.

Anything is greater than nothing.

I'm not saying you need to entertain them, but if you want to get anywhere with this game thing - you have to get used to dealing with groups of people and giving them something to do, something to talk about, something to look at.

I get that most of you guys are
a) scared of talking to groups
b) trying to steal off the one girl in the group

But you're not going to get better with such a limited vision.

A cute girl is rarely alone. The hotter she is, the less likely you are going to see her by herself.

So that means you need to do something with these groups of chicks.

And by doing something, you become someone of interest.

From their, you can do much more in terms of getting the girl.

WIA

I agree with you 100% I'm just starting to see that I need to learn to deal with groups. I'm actually a pretty decent story teller so I think I will work that into dealing with groups. I should of talked to her friends a bit more, I did talk to the mother hen and she said "You can talk to her" or something along those lines, like some form of approval.

And in regard to books/style I'm not sure I have one. I've read a fair share of game books but nothing really intrigued me and yes, that does include Roosh's Bang and Day Bang.

(09-18-2016 08:15 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

The clown game is fine. It's great. I've been laid many times using clown game.

But if it comes across as rude, then it's no longer clown game. What you posted seemed very rude and unfunny. If I were the guy next to you when you said that shit, I would have got up and gone to the bathroom to get away from that travesty.

Clown game has to be funny. If it's just dorky or rude, then it's lame.

I assume you are referencing my first post in the thread? Yea, I agree I didn't have much social calibration back then.

[the1element]

I've been thinking a lot about game today,

I'm at six notches, five being from this year and last year was when I lost my virginity which was the only notch of that year. About two of my notches have been attractive, the others four were bigger girls. Nothing morbidly obese but definitely heavy. Only one of my notches didn't have Tinder involved, I met her at a hostel and it was kinda easy.

One of my goals for this year is to bang a girl without Tinder, Okc, POF or anything online. Ideally from a cold approach. That's my big goal. If I can bang a 6 without using any online game I would call this year a great success and a huge step in the right direction.

The girl from the club is texting me, her replies are kind of sporadic but she does show a bit of interest. Here's the convo so far,

me: sara from gords we need a better nick name than that
her: Haha do you have a better nick name for me? And I need a better one than chase from gords for you too
me: (screenshot of what I have her saved as, I saved her as teachers pet because she's going through teachers college) and for me use "Washed up artist"
her: Wow that was uncalled for. Just because I want to be a teacher does not mean I'm a teachers pet
me: haha sure, i bet you were the girl who always hung out with teachers at recess
her: haha you dont know me maybe I was a big rebel in school. And I like "washed up artist" for your name, but I think I like "old soul" more
me: Oh yea big rebel, biggest pencil and eraser thief. What are u up to Wednesday

We'll see where this one goes, I have a feeling I'm going to meet up with her, but I doubt it would be this week.

Anyways,

This next part might help other aspiring players, a big issue of mine is simply going downtown. I live about twenty minutes away and ALWAYS find a way to justify myself out of going to a bar and either making friends with the workers or chatting to some cute girls.

The first justification is the money spent at the bar, and how expensive going out is. The other is the distance and the gas it takes to go downtown and the final justification is simply not wanting to go out on a workday, tired etc.

I've come to a point in my game where I need to make a choice, I'm facing the road with two directions, both with unknown destinations all I have to trust is my gut and my guts telling me to pull towards the right side, the left side feels like it will feel good for a few moments but the deeper you go through the winding road the more I will regret it. The right side is the harder side, but ultimately the most rewarding.

What I've done to squash my justifications is set aside a hundred bucks a week to going out, that's my allowance. I can have about two pints for ten bucks, so a hundred bucks should be perfect. Of course this means I can't get loaded on shots, but thats not the point of going out.

In regards to staying up late, well that's an easy fix. I already stay up late, regardless if I go out or not. I was up all night last night banging a plate of mine, if I can justify that then I can justify rolling home at 1 or 2.

Now onto the game, my game has improved a lot since I started this thread. Before I felt women were such an unattainable thing for me, something all other men have access to but not me. I viewed other men as these Casanovas that women swooned over, when truthfully it's not true. There's a lot of guys with no game out there, I used to assume that all of these guys you see hanging out with women are banging them non-stop when as we all know that's not true. I used to think that all of my previous successes were the result of luck and that I simply fell onto them. Now I know that's simply not true, the previous successes I had were because of game which is now slowly becoming a lifestyle, it's becoming a part of me.

Simply put, I feel confident. I know I'm not banging top notch girls or that I don't have many notches but I know with time that will change, I know I'm capable of it, I know I have what it takes it's just going to take time. Having had low self esteem and picked on my entire high school the fact I feel confident with my abilities is an amazing feeling.

To the guys that might be reading this and going wow this guy sounds like me, I'll offer this advice.

You must game women and you must lower your standards, right now experience is the most important thing. Fucking a fat girl with an okay face, and a decent personality will do wonders for you. Just like when you learn any new skill, it takes experience for you to become good. Think of fat girls as game experience, now obviously don't fuck any gargoyles but don't be one of those guys with no game and no experience or very little experience with women trying to go for an 8 as your first bang using game. It won't happen, and if it does it's a fluke your game had nothing to do with it.

One other thing I did was compete, I played a lot of pool with my brother who used to play in leagues and is a very good shooter. At first I sucked ass and he would destroy me but after months and months of playing and practicing I started giving him a run for his money, and now after about a year into the game it's about 50-50 chance he beats me. During this time my confidence grew, I finally felt I actually could beat someone in something and that I was capable of excelling in the things I put my time and effort into. That I wasn't stupid or dumb, and that I wasn't loser at everything. I was capable of winning. This was a big mind-shift change for me, over the winter I played in a league and beat some pretty good shooters with many more years playing than me. I highly suggest getting into something competitive, it doesn't have to be your stereotypical sport. Anything works, as long as it gets you out of the house so sorry gamers but video games doesn't cut it. I used to game a lot, and was actually pretty good at a few games to the point where I played in tournaments but it's an empty feeling, no one really takes you serious when you say you play video games competitively and you will always have the thought in the back of your head saying "wow, I'm good at video games. There has to be more to life than this".

Hope I helped some people, I'm going to go out tonight and see what happens. It's a Monday and the city is most likely pretty dead but at least I'm out and if any cute girls do chose to go out tonight, then I'll be there to swoop them.

[the1element]

Well, Monday and Tuesday were flops. I ended up sleeping through the night and never making it out, today I got the formula right and made it out at around 10, stayed till about 1. It was an interesting night, I learned a few things.

I really struggle with night game, I can entertain people yes but when it comes to places where I can't use my biggest advantage which would be conversation then I'm fucked. I have poor hearing as is, and trying to make conversation on the dance floor or at the bar is almost impossible. I simply can't hear people talking to me. Making conversation with a chick is next to useless at the bar or club.

The venue I went to was mostly dudes, and wasn't really busy. A good 90% of the girls there were with a group of guys, I simply don't know how to approach that situation. There weren't many sets to open, it was about four groups and thats about it, pretty poor numbers. The only decent set that might of gone somewhere was at the end of the night and I pussied out on opening them.

I'm still not sure how to approach a mixed group of people, maybe I'm just overthinking this.

Tomorrow, I'm going to focus less on conversation and more on moving, and vibing with the girl. Perhaps approach a group dancing, offer my hand and if she grabs it I dance with her for a bit then tell her friends that I'm going to steal her for a few minutes. How do you engage a group on the dancefloor? Do you simply dance with all of them? Going the route of conversation seems like a waste at a loud venue, I feel it would be better if I brought the girl to a quiet area and talked to her, spitting game. You can't spit game in a loud venue. I'm not sure how I would deal with objections to taking a girl from a group when I have a hardish time hearing in loud places and when conversation is really hard on the floor.

Venue choice seems to be important too, the place I went to was O.K, but there were mostly mixed groups of 10 or more, very few girls in sets of two or three. I'm not sure of a better venue though, the place I went to was the place to be on a Wednesday, maybe Thursday will be better or maybe I need to game in a bigger city.

Perhaps I need to look at this another way, maybe in my city night game is more of a place you bring girls on a date rather than pick them up. Maybe there's a better way to bang girls from the city, is night game simply a fools errand here? Am I looking at night game wrong? Are there more lucrative avenues to bang girls in this small city?

Theres a good sized university close by, maybe I need to look into tapping into that talent pool. I drove by campus a few times after work and it was dead so I wonder where university students go. I have to be missing a piece of the puzzle.

Regardless, until I find a better way of gaming girls in the city that doesn't involve online game then I'll continue with the night game. I'm going to prevail eventually, I learned a lot today. Tomorrow I'm going to seee what I can apply.

[WestIndianArchie]

Those of us who know the night life see you hitting the same obstacles and sometimes coming up with the same initial solutions.

If you want to pull in a loud dance club, you offer value by dancing, or at least nonverbal value. That means to pull chicks, you'll have to develop new skills. That should be exciting, but I don't get that vibe from guys.

If there are guys in the group, you talk to the guys first. So you have to go indirect. Figure out the relationships and logistics, show value, attract the target, let her choose you, not rush in and focus on her.

It's not like all of this stuff hasn't already been written down and isn't a quick Google search away. I rarely see an issue today that wasn't solved in multiple ways in the early 00's.

I see so many newbies trying to reinvent the wheel

WIA