[Quintus Curtius]

In general in history, the literary output of men has exceeded that of women in quality and quantity.

There are some rare exceptions.

Just like men have historically been better scientists, mathematicians, musicians, cooks, engineers, doctors....you name it.

Oh, I forgot. I'm not supposed to notice this or recognize it. It must be because men "kept them down" for so long. That must be it!

Some women writers have produced great books. I liked Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" and Barbara Tuchman's history books.

But these women were old-school types, the type of traditional woman not really found in the West any more.

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[Grodin]

I thoroughly enjoyed Madeleine L'engle, when I was 12.

Kathleen O'Neal Gear is the only female writer I can think of that I can recommend. Historical fiction is not everyones cup of tea, but I like that she has a grasp on anthropology and a surprisingly non-PC understanding of Native Americans. No delusions of noble savages from this one. A little bit of feminist ideals in some of her writing, but also some red pill type thoughts on war and sexuality.

I don't read a lot of non-fiction, and all the best stuff was from men. "Quiet" by Susan Cain is good if you are an introvert, and maybe beneficial for some extroverts.

[Saga]

(01-28-2016 04:45 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Oh, I forgot. I'm not supposed to notice this or recognize it. It must be because men "kept them down" for so long. That must be it!

That excuse is always hilarious. It's like SJWs think women were denied access to pen and paper until the 1970's.

[Checkmat]

This woman-authored book is amazing for game, or anything:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Charisma-Myth-...1591845947

[El Chinito loco]

(01-27-2016 07:42 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

There a couple of good non-fiction writers, namely Doris Kearns Goodwin and Barbara Tuchman.

J.K. Rowling probably is the greatest female novelist ever. Whatever you may think of Harry Potter, those books are superbly written.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. She's a great storyteller, but I wouldn't say the books are particularly well written. Not that they're badly written or anything. Just my opinion though.

Her writing is pretty basic but what she's good at is children's dialogue and envisioning the world she created. I have to agree she's a literary lightweight though. She's definitely no Tolkien.

Everytime I read Tolkien it's obvious that it's the work of a genius. The complexity is something that really influenced writing itself.

With Rowling I get the sense she's someone who has a good literary mind for writing for kids but she probably pushes her abilities to the limit to put pen to paper.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(01-27-2016 03:23 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Not all books written by women are like that. Jackie Collins for one. I have even heard that the real author of Shakespeare's work was a woman.

Where did you hear this?

In college I took several courses with a drama professor who was an award-winning authority on Shakespeare. I also did theater writing for a while in the newspaper biz and interviewed a lot of directors who were staging works by Shakespeare.

This never came up -- even with female directors. Is there truth in this, or are feminist politics leading to the rewriting of history?

I've also noticed now that various writers are claiming that Einstein's wife co-authored his famous paper on relativity and that the girlfriends of the Rolling Stones circa 1968 should be considered "band members" since they influenced/inspired the writing of several songs.

If you can cite a source for a woman penning Shakespeare's works I'll eat my words...but I'm going to send the info to my old professor and see what he has to say.

[Pride male]

^Google Amelia Bassano Lanier.

[Pride male]

Books written by women might suck, but they do sell a lot of copies.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Umm DoBA if you believe that Shakespeare's plays could be written by a woman I've got an amazing mall game guide penned by Lindy West to sell you.

[Gótico]

(01-29-2016 05:49 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Where did you hear this?

In college I took several courses with a drama professor who was an award-winning authority on Shakespeare. I also did theater writing for a while in the newspaper biz and interviewed a lot of directors who were staging works by Shakespeare.
This never came up -- even with female directors. Is there truth in this, or are feminist politics leading to the rewriting of history?

I've also noticed now that various writers are claiming that Einstein's wife co-authored his famous paper on relativity and that the girlfriends of the Rolling Stones circa 1968 should be considered "band members" since they influenced/inspired the writing of several songs.

If you can cite a source for a woman penning Shakespeare's works I'll eat my words...but I'm going to send the info to my old professor and see what he has to say.

These are merely conspiracy theories dating back to the 19th-century and discussed in great detail in this Wikipedia article. I’ve yet to meet a single person claiming William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not write the works on which his name has been engraved; I doubt your professor gives any thought or consideration to the arguments posed by the anti-Stratfordians.

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(01-30-2016 09:16 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Umm DoBA if you believe that Shakespeare's plays could be written by a woman I've got an amazing mall game guide penned by Lindy West to sell you.

I don’t think he manifested his belief in the aforementioned theories; he undoubtedly questioned them and appeared to be sceptical.

[lex the impaler]

How about the manipulated man?

[Monty_Brogan]

The exception.



One of the best books I've ever read. The saying going through hell and back doesn't do the book justice.

[MajorStyles]

I find female writers to be subpar by and large. They tend to overemphasize the insignificant details, overlooking the larger truths - much in the same way that they tend to micromanage an office when they are given administrative roles.

I will give a thumbs up to Margaret Mitchell, however. Gone With the Wind is one of the most red pill books ever written by a woman. Mitchell breaks down the devious female psyche to a tee, tearing Scarlett a new asshole along the way.

I don't know how much has been said in the Manosphere about this book, but it deserves some critique. They way Scarlett chews up guy after guy, using their blue pill training against them. But then, she finally meets her match in "Zero Fucks Given" Gable.

[GlobalMan]

Eh, I think that's too much of a blanket statement.

I enjoyed this non fiction book from 2003. Spoke to her via email while I was in Colombia, nice girl and good writer.

Avoiding Prison and Other Noble Vacation Goals

[scotian]

One of my favourite novels is The Outsiders , written by a seventeen year old girl named S.E Hinton. I can't recall the last non-fiction book I read that was written by a woman though.

[Mikan]

(01-31-2016 12:01 AM)Gótico Wrote:  

I’ve yet to meet a single person claiming William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon did not write the works on which his name has been engraved;

Really? It even has a separate Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespear...p_question

Every stage actor and director I have ever met was at least vaguely aware of Shakespeare plagiarism theories. My highschool drama instructor was convinced that Marlowe had written at least 3 of the plays credited to Shakespeare.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(01-30-2016 09:16 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Umm DoBA if you believe that Shakespeare's plays could be written by a woman I've got an amazing mall game guide penned by Lindy West to sell you.

Did you read my post? This is not what I wrote at all. In fact, I wrote the opposite:

"In college I took several courses with a drama professor who was an award-winning authority on Shakespeare. I also did theater writing for a while in the newspaper biz and interviewed a lot of directors who were staging works by Shakespeare. This never came up -- even with female directors. Is there truth in this, or are feminist politics leading to the rewriting of history?"

[Hades]

(01-28-2016 04:45 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Some women writers have produced great books. I liked Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" and Barbara Tuchman's history books.

I think in general, women's fiction is best in the young adult fiction section. Not a lot of heavier stuff out there.

I liked Hamilton's "Mythology" a lot. In particular the explanation for the abduction (rape is too strong a word in modern times) of Persephone is recorded pretty accurately.
Harry Potter was solid. Pretty good storytelling there.

The "My Side of the Mountain" series was pretty good young adult fiction. JCG basically wrote "Hatchet" twenty or thirty years earlier but with a much lighter tone.

"To Kill a Mockingbird" is about as red pill as literature can get. It had a false rape accusation front and center.

Barbara Brooks Wallace has a lot of good YA fiction set in a despairing, poverty-stricken, Victorian England sort of setting.

(01-26-2016 08:19 PM)Jones Wrote:  

Frankenstein by Mary Shelley. Great book, one of my favourite novels.

Although some say it wasn't (at least, entirely) written her. When it comes to creating/making art, the most beautiful art a women will ever create is life itself.

Fiction and fantasy are better suited to women than non-fiction of course.

You sure we read the same book? Frankenstein sucked ass.

The main character suffers from an attack of "brain fever" (read: hysteria) about three or four times before he actually gets off his ass and does something about the problem he created other than navel-gaze about how he's this great fucking scientist.

Then when he finally decides to take responsibility for it, he dies of exposure in the Arctic, the monster feels bad, and it leaves for it's funeral pyre. Gay.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-02-2016 06:59 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 09:16 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Umm DoBA if you believe that Shakespeare's plays could be written by a woman I've got an amazing mall game guide penned by Lindy West to sell you.

Did you read my post? This is not what I wrote at all. In fact, I wrote the opposite:

"In college I took several courses with a drama professor who was an award-winning authority on Shakespeare. I also did theater writing for a while in the newspaper biz and interviewed a lot of directors who were staging works by Shakespeare. This never came up -- even with female directors. Is there truth in this, or are feminist politics leading to the rewriting of history?"

DoBA, you also said:

(01-29-2016 05:49 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

If you can cite a source for a woman penning Shakespeare's works I'll eat my words...

My point is that the idea is so self-evidently ludicrous it cannot be entertained even for a millisecond. There is no need to consult any "sources" since no such "source" could possibly be more persuasive than the evidence of Shakespeare's text itself.

In other words, it's not merely that these plays were not written by a woman; it's that they could not be.

[Virtus]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_K._Le_Guin

[DjembaDjemba]

Just read The War that Ended Peace by Margaret MacMillian. Good book.

[John Quincy]

Jane Meyer of the New Yorker has just published another book. I haven't read it but it looks very interesting and is certainly very timely.

Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right

While the New Yorker is a very liberal outfit, I find her writing to be solid.

[philosophical_recovery]

Delete

[eskimobobseal]

There are exceptions, but in general the reason you've realized that books written by women aren't as good as the ones written by men is simple - women belong in the kitchen making sandwiches.

That's not a joke, some of you may find that sexist but it's true. God created Eve FOR Adam, females were created for the purpose of submitting to man. There are exceptions, I've met some brilliant women and some are tremendous writers, but in general many of them simply aren't very good because they weren't built to be philosophers and writers, they were built to be nurturers and lovers.

[Uhondo]

That is probably a sweeping generalization. While i'm not a voracious reader, i certainly have enjoyed a couple of books written by our sisters. Titles like "The manipulated man" by Esther Vilar, and "Its our turn to eat" by Michela Wrong i certainly wouldn't consider poorly written.