[ManAbout]

(01-19-2016 03:22 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

- Is IT in high demand there? Apparently not enough people move to Canada to work in IT so Google search proved unfruitful. If I lose my job here, I'll find another in a month tops and probably with a 5-10% salary increase as well. Is it anything like that?
- Which province should I move to in order to maximize my career prospects in IT?
- How's the average ratio of senior developer/software architect salaries to median income in these cities? According to my research, purchasing power adjusted GDP in Sweden and Canada is similar but Canada has higher income inequality which for STEM field workers is a good thing.

Yes, IT is in high demand. Can you be more specific about the technologies that you have worked with?

If you are a full stack or mobile developer, with experience you are in high demand. $100K+ in salaries and bonuses is not out of the question. As mentioned earlier in the thread, there is a lot of activity in the Startup space and qualified talent is scarce.

[WeekendCasanova]

(01-20-2016 07:44 PM)maz Wrote:  

I take the GO train. Work is pretty close to Union, thankfully. If I had to take the Gardiner I'd lose it pretty quickly. With low interest rates and public transit, the ont gov seems to be encouraging more and more urban sprawl into even Niagara. I don't recognize anyone in my small town anymore.

GO's great. I used to live in Newmarket and take it every morning. I'd almost recommend living in Newmarket if you work in Toronto, although it's not that cheap there either. If you want to go as far as Barrie you can get big houses for fairly cheap. Long commute though.

[Moma]

Barrie one hour one way by car, I'm guessing longer by GO at least 1hr 30 mins. So what 2-3 hours a day just for travel?

[Tresdus]

(01-20-2016 05:30 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 09:28 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 03:22 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

I found out I'm eligible for Canadian express entry. I've never thought about living in Canada before really but I figure why not.

You are not eligible unless you have 12 months work experience in Canada.

I filled out the "Are you eligible?" sort of test and it told me that I was. (Edit: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/s...ly-who.asp)

"Qualify for Arranged Employment with a Labour Market Impact Assessment and a full-time, permanent job offer from a Canadian employer; "

http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-skill...ation.html

You need to get an LMIA which is pretty hard to get, speaking from experience, I was just denied one.

[WeekendCasanova]

(01-20-2016 09:52 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Barrie one hour one way by car, I'm guessing longer by GO at least 1hr 30 mins. So what 2-3 hours a day just for travel?

Yeah it's around 1hr30 ish by GO train. 2+ hours by GO bus. It's horrible. The 400 during the winter is frequently closed because of pile up accidents.

[the Thing]

(01-20-2016 10:02 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:30 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 09:28 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 03:22 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

I found out I'm eligible for Canadian express entry. I've never thought about living in Canada before really but I figure why not.

You are not eligible unless you have 12 months work experience in Canada.

I filled out the "Are you eligible?" sort of test and it told me that I was. (Edit: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/s...ly-who.asp)

"Qualify for Arranged Employment with a Labour Market Impact Assessment and a full-time, permanent job offer from a Canadian employer; "

http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-skill...ation.html

You need to get an LMIA which is pretty hard to get, speaking from experience, I was just denied one.

That website is not official nor is it correct.

You get points out of 1200 for every requirement you cross out on the list at the website I gave you. The thing is, if you max out on every single requirement you get 600 points and the list bottoms out at ~450s so you're pretty low priority and have to wait for a while.

If you're offered a job, you're directly awarded an additional 600 points and that immediately takes you to the top of the waiting list.

Here's how the points system works in detail: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp

Here's the statistics on minimum points required-on the January 13 round the lowest ranked application that was approved had 453 points. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/rounds.asp

Past rounds available at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-ent...rounds.asp

If you still don't believe me why don't you fill out the questionnaire at http://www.cic.gc.ca/ctc-vac/ee-start.asp (which is an official Canadian Immigration website) answer No for "do you have a job offer" and see what it tells you?

[the Thing]

(01-20-2016 08:08 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 03:22 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

- Is IT in high demand there? Apparently not enough people move to Canada to work in IT so Google search proved unfruitful. If I lose my job here, I'll find another in a month tops and probably with a 5-10% salary increase as well. Is it anything like that?
- Which province should I move to in order to maximize my career prospects in IT?
- How's the average ratio of senior developer/software architect salaries to median income in these cities? According to my research, purchasing power adjusted GDP in Sweden and Canada is similar but Canada has higher income inequality which for STEM field workers is a good thing.

Yes, IT is in high demand. Can you be more specific about the technologies that you have worked with?

If you are a full stack or mobile developer, with experience you are in high demand. $100K+ in salaries and bonuses is not out of the question. As mentioned earlier in the thread, there is a lot of activity in the Startup space and qualified talent is scarce.

Java EE and mobile on iOS and Android, it should be in demand, it usually is.

Is this $100k figure in CAD? That works out to $70k USD in which case I wouldn't bother.

[Moma]

The Thing, they generally pay you less in Canada than the US. However, the benefit is that healthcare is all inclusive, the racial divisions are not as pronounced (it's no biggie to smash a lizard from another race and there are no 'black hoods' per se) and lifestyle is more laid back.

[ManAbout]

(01-21-2016 05:41 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

Is this $100k figure in CAD? That works out to $70k USD in which case I wouldn't bother.

Unless you are planning to spend it in USD, why would you convert it?

A one bedroom apartment at the Thompson Residences, which is in the heart of King West, where most of the happening night life is at the moment will set you back $1500+ a month.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-1-bedroom-apartme...1130755277

$100K goes a long way in Toronto, specially if you don't have a family.

[rudebwoy]

^Great spot and location, I party in that area quite a bit.

As a single man, you have no business living in Barrie, Newmarket or any other place outside the GTA. Some people love to give bad advice.

$100K in Toronto is decent money, nothing to turn your noise down at.

[WeekendCasanova]

(01-21-2016 10:18 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^Great spot and location, I party in that area quite a bit.

As a single man, you have no business living in Barrie, Newmarket or any other place outside the GTA. Some people love to give bad advice.

$100K in Toronto is decent money, nothing to turn your noise down at.

I was throwing out additional cities as options. If you're looking for cheaper rent, or cheaper houses, Barrie/Newmarket are options. My ability to meet women was never hindered, as Newmarket to the downtown core of Toronto is 25 minutes at night. Like a subway ride from King to Eglinton.

Additionally, Barrie has a big bar-scene, as well as a huge college population. You consistently see busloads of people from Toronto going to Barrie for its nightclubs, more specifically, the Ranch.

Again, the commute is bad from Barrie, so I'm not recommending it - it's just an option if you want a dirt-cheap pad.

[ManAbout]

(01-21-2016 11:03 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

I was throwing out additional cities as options. If you're looking for cheaper rent, or cheaper houses, Barrie/Newmarket are options.

It just seems that way. If you are living in Barrie you absolutely have to own a car. At a minimum, including insurance that is going to cost you another $750, add to that the cost of a GO transit pass. Then there is the worry of driving home after a few drinks, which puts a damper on things.

[Moma]

Manabout, bruv...$750 a month for insurance?!!!

[ManAbout]

(01-21-2016 12:30 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Manabout, bruv...$750 a month for insurance?!!!

No, I meant car+insurance. But, I have heard of guys paying $400+ month in insurance premiums alone.

[jj90]

You guys think rent in Tdot is bad, try Boston. Fucking ridiculous. But car ins in the US is much more competitive. Actually, most things in the US are much more price competitive. Anyways...

For IT: Vancouver, Toronto, Waterloo. Montreal and Calgary are smaller niches.

Pay: Toronto pays the most, but has a highest cost of living.

@the thing: Here's the lowdown. Unless employers absolutely want you, you aren't gonna be walking into a job anywhere near your expectations in Canada career or salary wise. There is a well known phenomenon known as 'Canadian experience'. Basically you need to have worked in Canada or overseas for a Canadian company for a good amount of time to 'understand' the Canadian work mentality. This is really just an excuse for many things, eg. lower pay, weeding out candidates, etc, but no one gets around it.

If your employers absolutely wants you, they will go through the hoops and get your LMIA approved and visa sponsor and all that. If you cannot prove without a shadow of a doubt you are the right candidate, you WILL be passed over without a 2nd thought. This means you will have to land and meet people face to face here unless your resume/experience is so prolific you can secure a position from overseas.

The government website you linked to simply outlines the minimum requirements for being considered in a potential pool of foreign candidates to domestic companies looking to hire. It doesn't matter if you have 238423894732 points on that site, if a local can do the same job, that local gets your job. This is not geolocation employment arbitrage, its competition. You need to ask: am I better than the other candidates and why?

How do I know this? 2 buddies going thru the work permit process. 1 of which just got his PR after 5 years slogging thru a position he didn't like for a company he didn't like. 1 is still waiting, and he's a senior accountant at a big 4 firm. 1 guy in my program who is a 6 years experienced Java dev, can't get a job. An ex of mine who had to secure a position right out of school to legally stay and work. It's competitive and biased. Bring your A game.

Last note: you can stay in Canada longer under a student visa which upon graduation gives you a few months to look for a job. Converting from a student visa to work visa doesn't require a LMIA to my knowledge. You can of course dropout of the program and work if you secure a position but I have no knowledge of that route.

If you get to the West Coast, PM me we'll go for drinks. Good luck

[the Thing]

(01-21-2016 02:56 PM)jj90 Wrote:  

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Thanks for the cold hard red pill info. Of course, whether or not I get a PR doesn't matter if I can't find a job. I just based the visa information on a friend's personal experience, who also referred me to this link when I asked him "bro are you sure that I don't need a job offer, some people told me that I do".

From what I've heard so far, Canada feels like Sweden except on a different continent and a bit under American influence. Are there a lot of libtard types with weird hair color who say things such as "In Canada we do the <an aspect of life> thing <clearly overcomplicated way of doing it> way" while emphasizing the parts in italic and visibly taking pride in what they say?

I should also add that there is a "Swedish experience" thing going on as well. It basically means that the candidate has finally come to terms with this shit. Does "Canadian experience" mean something along the lines of this?

[jj90]

(01-21-2016 05:04 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

From what I've heard so far, Canada feels like Sweden except on a different continent and a bit under American influence. Are there a lot of libtard types with weird hair color who say things such as "In Canada we do the <an aspect of life> thing <clearly overcomplicated way of doing it> way" while emphasizing the parts in italic and visibly taking pride in what they say?

You're gonna get this anywhere in the world, in Canada it's no better or worse. Some places are hotspots however.

(01-21-2016 05:04 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

I should also add that there is a "Swedish experience" thing going on as well. It basically means that the candidate has finally come to terms with this shit. Does "Canadian experience" mean something along the lines of this?

I have never been to Scandinavia so I'm biased, but IMO it's not as bad as the link would have it. There is a more communal focus vs the individual in the US but not to the level of Denmark.

That post is more of a social perspective while I'm talking about a workplace perspective. Canadian experience in this sense means a catch all whereby any excuse is used to reject a non-experienced foreign candidate for a position. This is done so the company doesn't get hit with a lawsuit regarding different cultural norms/behaviours and to ensure the candidate knows their workplace conduct/priorities.
Fit is also similarly important. If you don't 'fit', the employer will move on and give some obscure reason.

I think my best advice here is: you cannot take a spray and pray approach. You must know which employers and aforementioned cultures at that employer will work for both them and you. Likewise, they need to feel the same about you. Invariably, this almost always results in you needing to be on the ground here.

If the employer wants you however, they couldn't care less if you are a pedophile baby killer rapist terrorist from Mars. They will get you in. Depends how you sell yourself.

[Columbo]

Dude, don't bother. Canada is a feminist, SJW hell hole. Canada will be like Sweden in a few years, it's like looking in a crystal ball. I'm in Montreal which is a hipster paradise and I wanna get the fvck out of here. The PC mentality has killed everything, I have kids in public school and I know what I'm talking about. A red pill man would be depressed living here. I have seen the disaster of multiculturalism in Toronto, which btw is so bland and boring and Vancouver.

[Moma]

(01-22-2016 02:26 PM)Columbo Wrote:  

Dude, don't bother. Canada is a feminist, SJW hell hole. Canada will be like Sweden in a few years, it's like looking in a crystal ball. I'm in Montreal which is a hipster paradise and I wanna get the fvck out of here. The PC mentality has killed everything, I have kids in public school and I know what I'm talking about. A red pill man would be depressed living here. I have seen the disaster of multiculturalism in Toronto, which btw is so bland and boring and Vancouver.

Bro, have you been all over Canada though? It's not fair to base life on the cities everyone talks about. There is fun in different parts. Saskatchewan has a lot of drugs and easy lizards to stab (with penis). A Naija friend of mine invited me there to hang with his brother who was bruising all sorts of locals. His brother had a nice job so he was easily top of the food chain.

Winnipeg was very nice as well and with a decent job (you are laughing there if you are a single man making even 70K per annum), it's punani central. Asides from punani, the landscape is nice and fresh air, good rivers, forests, animals. One can go camping during the winter or summer, snowboarding (during the winter) and so on so forth. Certain Canadian cities border prominent US cities where one can go and shop and take advantage of American consumerism to enjoy a wide variety of products. For instance, Winterpeg is close to Minnesota and a lot of people from the peg go to the 'Sota' for shopping. Some of the lizards date American men from there too and do the commute for love/sex thing.

Nova Scotia is close to Maine and again, Scotians travel to Maine for shopping. I did it when I used to jab a reptile from out there.

The thing about Canada is that they don't know how to market like Americans. Americans will make a used toilet seem like the greatest club on earth with their gilded tongues and elaboration.. Canada however does have some lovely natural reserves that one can just be at peace.

You can run bush game in the camp on some outdoor lizard..don't need to be in the club closing sets.
The point is, there are different strokes for different folks. All that SJW crap isn't really there in Nova Scotia. It's only cos Toronto thinks they can compete with NYC..they come with some foolishness...

[WeekendCasanova]

(01-22-2016 06:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:26 PM)Columbo Wrote:  

Dude, don't bother. Canada is a feminist, SJW hell hole. Canada will be like Sweden in a few years, it's like looking in a crystal ball. I'm in Montreal which is a hipster paradise and I wanna get the fvck out of here. The PC mentality has killed everything, I have kids in public school and I know what I'm talking about. A red pill man would be depressed living here. I have seen the disaster of multiculturalism in Toronto, which btw is so bland and boring and Vancouver.

Bro, have you been all over Canada though? It's not fair to base life on the cities everyone talks about. There is fun in different parts. Saskatchewan has a lot of drugs and easy lizards to stab (with penis). A Naija friend of mine invited me there to hang with his brother who was bruising all sorts of locals. His brother had a nice job so he was easily top of the food chain.

Winnipeg was very nice as well and with a decent job (you are laughing there if you are a single man making even 70K per annum), it's punani central. Asides from punani, the landscape is nice and fresh air, good rivers, forests, animals. One can go camping during the winter or summer, snowboarding (during the winter) and so on so forth. Certain Canadian cities border prominent US cities where one can go and shop and take advantage of American consumerism to enjoy a wide variety of products. For instance, Winterpeg is close to Minnesota and a lot of people from the peg go to the 'Sota' for shopping. Some of the lizards date American men from there too and do the commute for love/sex thing.

Nova Scotia is close to Maine and again, Scotians travel to Maine for shopping. I did it when I used to jab a reptile from out there.

The thing about Canada is that they don't know how to market like Americans. Americans will make a used toilet seem like the greatest club on earth with their gilded tongues and elaboration.. Canada however does have some lovely natural reserves that one can just be at peace.

You can run bush game in the camp on some outdoor lizard..don't need to be in the club closing sets.
The point is, there are different strokes for different folks. All that SJW crap isn't really there in Nova Scotia. It's only cos Toronto thinks they can compete with NYC..they come with some foolishness...

Hit the nail on the head here.

I'd also like to add that I've never encountered a feminist/SJW once in my life in Toronto. Not in all of my approaches, misogynistic comments, have I had a girl go all moral on my ass.

This 'SJW' blasting, while it sure is common here, is a tad blown out of proportion. You have a small SJW population in toronto, making a lot of noise. There are high-quality girls at the non-hipster clubs. In fact, most girls I meet shun the entire feminist/SJW scene. So if anything, SJW's in Toronto have a bad name for themselves when it comes to the general population.


There are a lot of great spots for girls in Canada.

[Moma]

Weekend Casanova, I've not forgotten about that datasheet that you owe me, bro!

[alecks]

Whatever you do, don't come to Edmonton. Iv'e wasted 2 years of my life here that im never gonna get back. I'm lucky I can go back to Ireland.

[Tresdus]

(01-21-2016 02:33 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 10:02 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:30 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 09:28 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 03:22 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

I found out I'm eligible for Canadian express entry. I've never thought about living in Canada before really but I figure why not.

You are not eligible unless you have 12 months work experience in Canada.

I filled out the "Are you eligible?" sort of test and it told me that I was. (Edit: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/s...ly-who.asp)

"Qualify for Arranged Employment with a Labour Market Impact Assessment and a full-time, permanent job offer from a Canadian employer; "

http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-skill...ation.html

You need to get an LMIA which is pretty hard to get, speaking from experience, I was just denied one.

That website is not official nor is it correct.

You get points out of 1200 for every requirement you cross out on the list at the website I gave you. The thing is, if you max out on every single requirement you get 600 points and the list bottoms out at ~450s so you're pretty low priority and have to wait for a while.

If you're offered a job, you're directly awarded an additional 600 points and that immediately takes you to the top of the waiting list.

Here's how the points system works in detail: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp

Here's the statistics on minimum points required-on the January 13 round the lowest ranked application that was approved had 453 points. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/rounds.asp

Past rounds available at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-ent...rounds.asp

If you still don't believe me why don't you fill out the questionnaire at http://www.cic.gc.ca/ctc-vac/ee-start.asp (which is an official Canadian Immigration website) answer No for "do you have a job offer" and see what it tells you?

No dude that's not how it works. You only get those 600 points if you have a valid LMIA. If you don't wanna believe me go talk to a fucking immigration lawyer. I've been through the process, it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

[azulsombra]

(01-20-2016 11:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  

LMAOO!!@France being a Muslim country!! I'm not discounting this allegation, by the way, it's just funny how you put it loooool

You caught that too, huh Moma? Lmao, funny as hell.

Most people think of France as only Paris. Outside Paris and Marseille I think Muslims are a small minority though.

[Columbo]

(01-22-2016 07:20 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 06:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:26 PM)Columbo Wrote:  

Dude, don't bother. Canada is a feminist, SJW hell hole. Canada will be like Sweden in a few years, it's like looking in a crystal ball. I'm in Montreal which is a hipster paradise and I wanna get the fvck out of here. The PC mentality has killed everything, I have kids in public school and I know what I'm talking about. A red pill man would be depressed living here. I have seen the disaster of multiculturalism in Toronto, which btw is so bland and boring and Vancouver.

Bro, have you been all over Canada though? It's not fair to base life on the cities everyone talks about. There is fun in different parts. Saskatchewan has a lot of drugs and easy lizards to stab (with penis). A Naija friend of mine invited me there to hang with his brother who was bruising all sorts of locals. His brother had a nice job so he was easily top of the food chain.

Winnipeg was very nice as well and with a decent job (you are laughing there if you are a single man making even 70K per annum), it's punani central. Asides from punani, the landscape is nice and fresh air, good rivers, forests, animals. One can go camping during the winter or summer, snowboarding (during the winter) and so on so forth. Certain Canadian cities border prominent US cities where one can go and shop and take advantage of American consumerism to enjoy a wide variety of products. For instance, Winterpeg is close to Minnesota and a lot of people from the peg go to the 'Sota' for shopping. Some of the lizards date American men from there too and do the commute for love/sex thing.

Nova Scotia is close to Maine and again, Scotians travel to Maine for shopping. I did it when I used to jab a reptile from out there.

The thing about Canada is that they don't know how to market like Americans. Americans will make a used toilet seem like the greatest club on earth with their gilded tongues and elaboration.. Canada however does have some lovely natural reserves that one can just be at peace.

You can run bush game in the camp on some outdoor lizard..don't need to be in the club closing sets.
The point is, there are different strokes for different folks. All that SJW crap isn't really there in Nova Scotia. It's only cos Toronto thinks they can compete with NYC..they come with some foolishness...

Hit the nail on the head here.

I'd also like to add that I've never encountered a feminist/SJW once in my life in Toronto. Not in all of my approaches, misogynistic comments, have I had a girl go all moral on my ass.

This 'SJW' blasting, while it sure is common here, is a tad blown out of proportion. You have a small SJW population in toronto, making a lot of noise. There are high-quality girls at the non-hipster clubs. In fact, most girls I meet shun the entire feminist/SJW scene. So if anything, SJW's in Toronto have a bad name for themselves when it comes to the general population.


There are a lot of great spots for girls in Canada.

Amen bro. There's a lot of truth in your post. I have been to nice places in New Brunswick with the nicest people but there are no jobs and unless you're into fishing or hunting it's pretty boring for a young single guy. I guess you can't have the best of both worlds.