[spokepoker]

Is there a non-video rundown of the whole thing? I have a hard time digesting information through video.

[Dusty]

[freeuser]

Has anyone thought that Avery might have killed Theresa (that would explain the cut and the blood in the car), left the RaV somewhere. Then the police finds the car abandoned somewhere in a remote area, that's the moment when the officer phoned in the licence plate, when he found the empty car. Then he got the answer that it belongs to a missing person. The officer then found the dead body somewhere nearby - then he had the idea that they could make it look like Steve Avery did the murder. So they put the body in the trunk, drove the car to the house when nobody was around, burned the body and the personal belongings there or nearby then dumped the car among the wrecks. And later planted the key in Avery´s house. That would explain most of the stuff going on, I think.

[muscless]

Spoiler:

He didn't commit the rape which DNA evidence proved 18 years later. We all know the cops are corrupted and didnt like Steven Avery. We never know the truth if he did murder her or was framed.

Bottom line is stay away from the government/cops or else you might piss off the wrong person and end up in court/jail.

[Sam Malone]

One of my plates is into the reality TV stuff, I turned her on to this. She thinks that the brother in law (Tadych) committed the murder.



He was waaaaaaaay too happy when Avery was convicted, and this was the look on his face when the nephew was found guilty. A smile like he (literally) got away with murder.



I did a little Googling, and there are all sorts of theories about him, his alabi, the DA supposedly throwing him hand signals in court...

Don't know if he may have done it or not, but law enforcement seems to have not done their job as far as excluding him as a suspect.

Regardless, Avery and the nephew basically got railroaded.

[Jones]

Here's a new theory.

Ex-detective says Steven Avery was framed, serial killer responsible

From the above article:

"Making a Murderer subject Steven Avery was framed — and not just by the Wisconsin police, claims ex-FBI cold-case expert John Cameron. He asserts that the 2005 murder of 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach has all the earmarks of infamous serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards, and Netflix docuseries Making a Murderer got it wrong."

“[Edwards] had done exactly the same thing in California in 1955, when he kidnapped and murdered a doctor’s 14-year-old daughter called Stephanie Bryan,” Cameron told Radar Online. “He hid her body for three months and then planted the girl’s property in a man named Burton Abbott’s basement and in his garage,” he explained. “Abbott was convicted on circumstantial evidence but always protested that he was framed. He was executed at San Quentin minutes before a stay of execution was delivered.”

[C-Note]

Here's an opposing viewpoint on the series by New Yorker magazine. In summary, they point out that the documentary does not give a fair and balanced presentation. I tried to post the entire article but the security software wouldn't let me do so.

[Dusty]

Brendan confessed to his mother on the phone.

[Cr33pin]

Holy shit....... Just finished watching this. I knew little to nothing about the case before watching the series. I have never watched a movie or tv show that invoked as much emotion as this series did. Mainly angry, disgust, and disbelief.

There are so many holes and coincidences around the whole thing... and the timing of it. Right after a pretty winnable lawsuit was filed that would financially ruin a county.

An that poor Gilbert Grape IQ boy..... They played him like a fiddle to get what they wanted from him.

[Vicious]

(02-04-2016 11:57 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

Brendan confessed to his mother on the phone.

He changed his story to his own mother so many times you'd need a spreedsheet to keep track of it.

[El Chinito loco]

(02-04-2016 06:51 AM)freeuser Wrote:  

Has anyone thought that Avery might have killed Theresa (that would explain the cut and the blood in the car), left the RaV somewhere. Then the police finds the car abandoned somewhere in a remote area, that's the moment when the officer phoned in the licence plate, when he found the empty car. Then he got the answer that it belongs to a missing person. The officer then found the dead body somewhere nearby - then he had the idea that they could make it look like Steve Avery did the murder. So they put the body in the trunk, drove the car to the house when nobody was around, burned the body and the personal belongings there or nearby then dumped the car among the wrecks. And later planted the key in Avery´s house. That would explain most of the stuff going on, I think.

You have a good point but you're not the first person that has brought up this scenario. I think as time goes by it's looking more likely that something like this happened. The police figured out Avery had something to do with her murder but didn't have concrete enough evidence for an open and shut case. Especially since they genuinely screwed the pooch on the first case. So they concocted a scene to make it look more certain to a jury.

The problem is that even if Avery is guilty (which is actually looking more likely these days than not) they still denied a man proper due process by setting things up like that.

People who have seen that full interview with Avery's nephew have said that the police aren't leading as much as we are led to believe. I can't be bothered to watch an entire 1 hour interrogation video but if that's true then it might be the documentary makers pushing their own very biased perspective onto us.

[griffinmill]

The body language and behaviour of Avery after the murder suggests he didn't commit this crime. There were other players in this case who behaved much more suspiciously. I'm not suggesting Halbach's brother and roommate committed the murder, but their shifty behaviour was more suspect than anybody in the Avery family. Avery was honest and open. Everything he said checked out - for example, telling his family that he was on the phone to his girlfriend at critical times throughout the day, and that information being confirmed with telephone records.

If we are to believe Avery committed this crime then we are two believe two things at once: he's a criminal mastermind who was able to clean the entirety of the inside of his home of the victim's blood, DNA, hair and fibre after subjecting her to a brutal and violent ordeal - while simultaneously being such a incompetent that he put the key to her car on a desk inside his trailer.

When the verdict was read out Avery's expression was of a man whose soul had been destroyed, not of a murderer who realised justice had caught up with him.

How spots of his blood got inside her car is a mystery.

[Cr33pin]

I concur with the above griffinmill.... not knowing any of the details of the case while watching I thought that Teresa's ex-boyfriend and brother were acting pretty suspicious an perhaps at the end of this journey called Making a Murderer that I would find out it was one of them. Specially once they said they got her password for her phone, when someone had deleted messages on her phone the day after her disappearance. As they stated in the documentary in most murder cases, the murderer is someone close to the victim. However as I watched the last episode tonight I realized that was not going to be a plot twist.

[griffinmill]

(02-15-2016 11:11 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I concur with the above griffinmill.... not knowing any of the details of the case while watching I thought that Teresa's ex-boyfriend and brother were acting pretty suspicious an perhaps at the end of this journey called Making a Murderer that I would find out it was one of them. Specially once they said they got her password for her phone, when someone had deleted messages on her phone the day after her disappearance. As they stated in the documentary in most murder cases, the murderer is someone close to the victim. However as I watched the last episode tonight I realized that was not going to be a plot twist.

When the brother and roommate were being interviewed about the car and whether they had been on the Avery property they were both obviously lying.

[Cr33pin]

At this point I'd believe anything

[Dr. Howard]

(02-15-2016 12:27 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

At this point I'd believe anything

I remember when Edwards was on the news in Wisconsin. He was on the verge of death...wheelchair bound and seemed to have the attitude 'fuck it, I'll confess to whatever you want, i'm going to die anyway'

If he also killed this girl, he would have been in brutal health at the time and I don't know why he wouldn't have confessed while he was on a roll.

[Cr33pin]

Yea.... I'm certainly not sold on the idea. But I'm pretty open to entertaining any theories that I stumble upon.

[Onto]

(02-15-2016 10:32 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  

The body language and behaviour of Avery after the murder suggests he didn't commit this crime. There were other players in this case who behaved much more suspiciously. I'm not suggesting Halbach's brother and roommate committed the murder, but their shifty behaviour was more suspect than anybody in the Avery family. Avery was honest and open. Everything he said checked out - for example, telling his family that he was on the phone to his girlfriend at critical times throughout the day, and that information being confirmed with telephone records.

If we are to believe Avery committed this crime then we are two believe two things at once: he's a criminal mastermind who was able to clean the entirety of the inside of his home of the victim's blood, DNA, hair and fibre after subjecting her to a brutal and violent ordeal - while simultaneously being such a incompetent that he put the key to her car on a desk inside his trailer.

When the verdict was read out Avery's expression was of a man whose soul had been destroyed, not of a murderer who realised justice had caught up with him.

How spots of his blood got inside her car is a mystery.

I was thinking the cops used a syringe to extract the blood from the tampered test-tube and planted it there. The forensics to determine if the blood came from a test-tube or not seemed weak to me.

[CleanSlate]

(02-15-2016 02:18 PM)Onto Wrote:  

I was thinking the cops used a syringe to extract the blood from the tampered test-tube and planted it there. The forensics to determine if the blood came from a test-tube or not seemed weak to me.

They said the results showed the blood in the car did not come from the test tube, but the expert witness also implied that it could be a false negative.

[Kona]

I just watched the whole damn thing.

Please tell me this is fake somehow.

After 18 years in jail and dealing with tons of court shit, this dumbass just let's the cops walk around his property?

Guilty or not, this guy deserves to be in jail for being so stupid.

And the parents are some of the stupidest people I've ever seen.

This whole show was just a parade of dumbasses.

Do they have math in Wisconsin? These people say everything is "umpteen"

Its repulsive.

"You got that right"

Aloha!

[renotime]

(02-15-2016 02:30 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:18 PM)Onto Wrote:  

I was thinking the cops used a syringe to extract the blood from the tampered test-tube and planted it there. The forensics to determine if the blood came from a test-tube or not seemed weak to me.

They said the results showed the blood in the car did not come from the test tube, but the expert witness also implied that it could be a false negative.

How can they tell if the blood came from a test tube or not?

[Kona]

(04-09-2016 08:02 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:30 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:18 PM)Onto Wrote:  

I was thinking the cops used a syringe to extract the blood from the tampered test-tube and planted it there. The forensics to determine if the blood came from a test-tube or not seemed weak to me.

They said the results showed the blood in the car did not come from the test tube, but the expert witness also implied that it could be a false negative.

How can they tell if the blood came from a test tube or not?

There was a hole in a sample tube they had of Avery's blood from 2002.

The test on the blood in the car is real questionable.

Aloha!

[Vicious]

Hola shit it's Kona!

[Kona]

(04-11-2016 10:55 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Hola shit it's Kona!

Holy shit is right.

Aloha!

[Last Parade]

(04-09-2016 07:57 PM)Kona Wrote:  

After 18 years in jail and dealing with tons of court shit, this dumbass just let's the cops walk around his property?

Guilty or not, this guy deserves to be in jail for being so stupid.

To be fair, it wasn't him - he was off at the cottage or whatever, it was another Avery family member (cousin? uncle?) who gave them permission.

Then again, even if he was there, he would've probably still let them in; the naivety of saying he's got nothing to hide and he just wants to be a good guy, etc.

Like you said, a parade of dumbasses. Like that kid's priority was going back to school because there was a test, after confessing to a gruesome double murder. And he missed Wrestlemania.