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Gaming on the Cheap
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Gaming on the Cheap

So we had a discussion about money and game, and how not to throw money at women in the hopes of getting laid.

Hank didn't always have money. Frankly, if I had money when I had started out, I don't think my game would have developed as much. Being poor forced me to become more interesting and innovative. You can sweep her off her feet with some really basic ideas instead of lavish trips to Aruba.

Here are a few pointers I picked up that anyone with a job can do.

1. Buy a cool looking cheap watch. You can get a nice looking watch for $20 - $100. I recommend either getting something chrome with a big face, or something totally off the wall like a white one or an orange one, worn with something business casual. While I normally wear a Casio G-Shock because I don't care anymore, I've gotten more compliments off the cheap watches I've found in thrift stores. It just needs to look cool, not be expensive. Big gets more attention.

2. Pocket squares. Depending on your style, these go great with a suit. If you can pull it off, get something in purple or red. If you want to look like a high powered executive, go with white. Pocket squares make you stand out. It's especially effective if you are wearing a cool looking watch.

3. Decanters. You've got a cute girl coming over to your house, but you've got like $25. First, go to the thrift store and buy a decanter or two. Then go to the liquor store and buy a cheap ass box of red wine, and some cheap whiskey. Put it in a decanter, rather than serve in the bottle, and it looks like you've got something super fancy. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten laid from a bottle of Old Crow and box of Franzia served in a decanter.

4. Ethnic food. If you're going LTR or long term FWB, you can't just take her to the bar across the street from your house forever unless you're a DJ with a YouTube channel. If it gets to the point where you're going out to dinner, take her to an ethnic restaurant. They're cheap and usually BYO. Plus you look "cultured" and "interesting."

5. Dinner at home. Get her to your place by cooking dinner. My advice is to buy Tim Ferriss's "The Four Hour Chef." Get some cast iron cookware ($35 at the most). Have access to a stove. Learn how to cook some basic and tasty meals, get some cheap alcohol in a decanter, and your chances of getting laid are pretty goddamn good. Learning how to cook is one of the best investments of your time, and it saves you money. The entry to become a competent chef is like $100, plus the cost of food. If you don't learn how to cook, you're not serious about becoming a player, in my opinion.

6. Bike rides. You don't need a great bike to enjoy a bike ride. You can pick a good used one up off Craigslist for about $150. Get in some exercise, and then go shower at your place. My first bike was a Gary Fisher Marlin, which I acquired for $100. Lasted for years. Women love going on bike rides.

7. Thrift stores. When I first started my law practice, I had like $3k in the bank and one suit. Although I was embarrassed, I finally bit the bullet and decided to hit up a thrift store. Holy shit! I was amazed at how much nice shit I found in there - Armani ties, Brooks Brothers shirts, Allen Edmonds shoes, etc. If you're willing to suck it up, you can build an extremely solid wardrobe from a thrift store. Make sure to be selective about the brands, but they're there. Go to one in a rich area. A lot of times wealthy people are like "this doesn't fit, I don't care if it was expensive, take it to the thrift store." Bonus: can also be used for furniture, glassware, cookware, and almost anything else you want. You can furnish your entire wardrobe and house from a thrift store and no one could tell the difference.

8. Have a bar. I use this more as a big boy now, but you can have a fancy looking bar just by getting some tumbler / rocks glasses, wine glasses, and small cans of Coke / Diet Coke. I acquired my actual bar from an estate sale for like $20, and it turns out it's a nice piece of Century furniture. In my opinion, every man's space should have a bar, and it's not much of an investment. Minimum - rocks glasses, wine glasses, basic sodas, stirrers, bar napkins, ice bucket, and a decanter (all of which can easily be acquired at a thrift store). When a girl walks into your house, and you fix a whiskey and coke with a napkin and stirrer, the gina gets tingles. She has no idea where any of it came from.

9. Cheap Dates. Some of my favorites are ice cream, the art museum, trip to a park, hiking, a stroll through the market if you live in the city, a local bar where everyone knows you, karaoke, brewery tour, historic landmarks, etc. You'd be surprised how fun these can be if the girl is cool. Women actually love these dates, too.

10. Stereo. In terms of my house game, the best investment I've ever made is my Sonos stereo system. My living room has two Play 5s, two Play 1s for balance, and a subwoofer. I can get this place sounding like we're in a nightclub. The rest of my house is also wired, so you get music in every room. This was the best $2k I've spent in years, and the whole thing was scalable. If you can swing it, try and at least get one nice speaker. Nothing sets the mood like some good tunes and a drink that looks fancy. Even one Sonos Play 5 will have your digs sounding pretty good. It beats the shit out of playing music from your laptop.

Closing notes: Don't apologize for not having money, or be self conscious about it. The key here is to make it known that you're aspiring to something (or maybe you're also just a total fucking degenerate, which women also seem to love). When I was a young, broke aspiring lawyer just starting to build my practice women seemed to dig that. I'd rather spend my hard earned cash building my business, not throwing it at a woman who I may or may not bang.

Never admit to not having money, or complain about it. Instead, this is just what you do. You're cooler and more interesting than boring dudes who are such losers that they feel the need to "impress" by throwing around cash. You're a person who is too interesting and cultured for that. No matter how much or how little cash you have, play it close to the vest. (I do not let it come out that I have money until after the bang).

Get creative and keep it fun. To be honest, stuffy expensive restaurants are boring. I've had better times going out for ice cream and doing shots after than eating $90 steaks.

My current LTR is going through the pictures in her phone and most of the ones that she's excited about are trips in the park, the little ethnic restaurants where we ate jelly fish, ice cream, singing karaoke, the hike where we found weird stuff, etc. Not the vacation we took a few months ago or the steak dinner.

Get to know your surroundings and go off the beaten path. It takes a bit of effort. But you might actually find you've developed into a well rounded, cultured person. You'll be easily competing with guys who have money, because you're actually interesting and fun to be around.
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On a roll there Hank! Kudos & rep point.
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Props on the thread idea but based on what you recommended, that's still pricey for ppl who are totally broke ;p So what I would add is to have a true passionate goal of what you are going for in life and a plan (which you should anyways even if it isn't a money maker) because that will separate you from all the dudes who are relying on money for their game. Also, it doesn't cost money to do pushups, walk, run, basically to be in shape and eat healthy (rice and beans) to also have more energy and presence than someone slaving away for hours a day in a cubicle. In order for you to give good emotions to a girl, you've got to be able to give them to yourself first so focusing on lack of money will be a buzzkill unless you truly have a life goal/plan.

My current gal's ex boyfriend was a doctor and she always gets hit up by dudes who make bank but she's with me and I live in a converted garage with a family member in living room haha;p Don't fight a fight you have no advantage in. Differentiate yourself in non monetary ways. I also second Hank's opinion about parks. Scope out nice parks that have privacy and a path where you can walk around to connect and where you can also escalate. In LA and SF, certain museums have free days as well so you can work the artsy angle.

Lastly, if you have a little bit of cash, you can rent a big Zipcar for a nightly rate of $38 and you now have logistics to fuck in any prime scenic area of town.
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Laughed at number 3 because it reminds me of the times I buy cheap vodka and put it in an old bottle that I've kept from the one time I had the quality stuff. Nobody can even tell the difference [Image: angel.gif]
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Quote: (01-01-2016 12:32 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

So we had a discussion about money and game, and how not to throw money at women in the hopes of getting laid.

Hank didn't always have money. Frankly, if I had money when I had started out, I don't think my game would have developed as much. Being poor forced me to become more interesting and innovative. You can sweep her off her feet with some really basic ideas instead of lavish trips to Aruba.

Here are a few pointers I picked up that anyone with a job can do.

1. Buy a cool looking cheap watch. You can get a nice looking watch for $20 - $100. I recommend either getting something chrome with a big face, or something totally off the wall like a white one or an orange one, worn with something business casual. While I normally wear a Casio G-Shock because I don't care anymore, I've gotten more compliments off the cheap watches I've found in thrift stores. It just needs to look cool, not be expensive. Big gets more attention.

2. Pocket squares. Depending on your style, these go great with a suit. If you can pull it off, get something in purple or red. If you want to look like a high powered executive, go with white. Pocket squares make you stand out. It's especially effective if you are wearing a cool looking watch.

3. Decanters. You've got a cute girl coming over to your house, but you've got like $25. First, go to the thrift store and buy a decanter or two. Then go to the liquor store and buy a cheap ass box of red wine, and some cheap whiskey. Put it in a decanter, rather than serve in the bottle, and it looks like you've got something super fancy. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten laid from a bottle of Old Crow and box of Franzia served in a decanter.

4. Ethnic food. If you're going LTR or long term FWB, you can't just take her to the bar across the street from your house forever unless you're a DJ with a YouTube channel. If it gets to the point where you're going out to dinner, take her to an ethnic restaurant. They're cheap and usually BYO. Plus you look "cultured" and "interesting."

5. Dinner at home. Get her to your place by cooking dinner. My advice is to buy Tim Ferriss's "The Four Hour Chef." Get some cast iron cookware ($35 at the most). Have access to a stove. Learn how to cook some basic and tasty meals, get some cheap alcohol in a decanter, and your chances of getting laid are pretty goddamn good. Learning how to cook is one of the best investments of your time, and it saves you money. The entry to become a competent chef is like $100, plus the cost of food. If you don't learn how to cook, you're not serious about becoming a player, in my opinion.

6. Bike rides. You don't need a great bike to enjoy a bike ride. You can pick a good used one up off Craigslist for about $150. Get in some exercise, and then go shower at your place. My first bike was a Gary Fisher Marlin, which I acquired for $100. Lasted for years. Women love going on bike rides.

7. Thrift stores. When I first started my law practice, I had like $3k in the bank and one suit. Although I was embarrassed, I finally bit the bullet and decided to hit up a thrift store. Holy shit! I was amazed at how much nice shit I found in there - Armani ties, Brooks Brothers shirts, Allen Edmonds shoes, etc. If you're willing to suck it up, you can build an extremely solid wardrobe from a thrift store. Make sure to be selective about the brands, but they're there. Go to one in a rich area. A lot of times wealthy people are like "this doesn't fit, I don't care if it was expensive, take it to the thrift store." Bonus: can also be used for furniture, glassware, cookware, and almost anything else you want. You can furnish your entire wardrobe and house from a thrift store and no one could tell the difference.

8. Have a bar. I use this more as a big boy now, but you can have a fancy looking bar just by getting some tumbler / rocks glasses, wine glasses, and small cans of Coke / Diet Coke. I acquired my actual bar from an estate sale for like $20, and it turns out it's a nice piece of Century furniture. In my opinion, every man's space should have a bar, and it's not much of an investment. Minimum - rocks glasses, wine glasses, basic sodas, stirrers, bar napkins, ice bucket, and a decanter (all of which can easily be acquired at a thrift store). When a girl walks into your house, and you fix a whiskey and coke with a napkin and stirrer, the gina gets tingles. She has no idea where any of it came from.

9. Cheap Dates. Some of my favorites are ice cream, the art museum, trip to a park, hiking, a stroll through the market if you live in the city, a local bar where everyone knows you, karaoke, brewery tour, historic landmarks, etc. You'd be surprised how fun these can be if the girl is cool. Women actually love these dates, too.

10. Stereo. In terms of my house game, the best investment I've ever made is my Sonos stereo system. My living room has two Play 5s, two Play 1s for balance, and a subwoofer. I can get this place sounding like we're in a nightclub. The rest of my house is also wired, so you get music in every room. This was the best $2k I've spent in years, and the whole thing was scalable. If you can swing it, try and at least get one nice speaker. Nothing sets the mood like some good tunes and a drink that looks fancy. Even one Sonos Play 5 will have your digs sounding pretty good. It beats the shit out of playing music from your laptop.

Closing notes: Don't apologize for not having money, or be self conscious about it. The key here is to make it known that you're aspiring to something (or maybe you're also just a total fucking degenerate, which women also seem to love). When I was a young, broke aspiring lawyer just starting to build my practice women seemed to dig that. I'd rather spend my hard earned cash building my business, not throwing it at a woman who I may or may not bang.

Never admit to not having money, or complain about it. Instead, this is just what you do. You're cooler and more interesting than boring dudes who are such losers that they feel the need to "impress" by throwing around cash. You're a person who is too interesting and cultured for that. No matter how much or how little cash you have, play it close to the vest. (I do not let it come out that I have money until after the bang).

Get creative and keep it fun. To be honest, stuffy expensive restaurants are boring. I've had better times going out for ice cream and doing shots after than eating $90 steaks.

My current LTR is going through the pictures in her phone and most of the ones that she's excited about are trips in the park, the little ethnic restaurants where we ate jelly fish, ice cream, singing karaoke, the hike where we found weird stuff, etc. Not the vacation we took a few months ago or the steak dinner.

Get to know your surroundings and go off the beaten path. It takes a bit of effort. But you might actually find you've developed into a well rounded, cultured person. You'll be easily competing with guys who have money, because you're actually interesting and fun to be around.

^ Regarding # 5, cooking at home. Another option is to buy food already cooked , like do pickup of two dishes with bread, at a local reasonable restaurant or even from the grocery store buffet. Then, just put it in some pots and pans on the stove so when the girl gets there she sees you finishing up cooking for dinner. [Image: lol.gif]

I've done it before because I don't like cooking elaborate meals but I do like getting laid and the girl was impressed with "my" cooking.

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+1 for all the knowledge you've been dropping, Hank. Ditto on the bar set with legit accoutrements. Girls think I'm a goddamn genius when I use my citrus squeezer to put fresh lime juice in their (well) cape cods or vodka sodas.
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The reddit page for your city will usually have a stickied post near the top with events going on for the upcoming weekend. Most of them are free or fairly cheap.
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One of my LTRs came and told me once that she has money problems and that she can't spend when we go out.
Told her that we can stay in and don't have to go out.

Cheap dates - use meetup.com if you are in a big city.
Find interesting meetups and take her. Also be on the lookout for Gallery openings. This makes you look hip and cost only gas and parking.

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pocket squares can be inexpensive, but depending on where you are they can be up in price.
I buy pocket squares but have found a way to increase my stash.
Go to walmart or a store that sells fabric. they are inexpensive by the yard. find a design and material that you like and buy one yard. After your purchase just ask them to cut it down to a smaller square, hopefully you bring your pocket square with you for measurement. (you can also do this by yourself or go to the dry cleaners but the cleaners may charge you more which may defeat the purporse.)

the advantage to this is that you can purchase a design or fabric that YOU want and are not limited to the pocket square designs, colors, styles they have at your local store.

ANOTHER option is going to an old vintage store, or any store in general. Look for cheap women's dresses that you can have cut into squares. If you are looking for something with flair, flamboyance, or something you can talk about in a conversation, this is another option. An elegant suit with some color, i play around alot with lines, color, design when im going out. Just giving some ideas which may or may not work for you.

I buy pocket squares but I also like trying new things out.
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Great read Hank!
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Quote: (01-01-2016 12:32 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

So we had a discussion about money and game, and how not to throw money at women in the hopes of getting laid.

Hank didn't always have money. Frankly, if I had money when I had started out, I don't think my game would have developed as much. Being poor forced me to become more interesting and innovative. You can sweep her off her feet with some really basic ideas instead of lavish trips to Aruba.

Here are a few pointers I picked up that anyone with a job can do.

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Get to know your surroundings and go off the beaten path. It takes a bit of effort. But you might actually find you've developed into a well rounded, cultured person. You'll be easily competing with guys who have money, because you're actually interesting and fun to be around.

A lot of solid points. One thing that people miss is that with some research/time investment and some sweat equity you can produce results that other people normally spend a LOT of money on. The good thing is that often when you don't have hardly any money, you DO have time on your hands. As you grow your income/assets you can start trading money for results/time savings, but in the meantime you can get huge value out of your time if you put it to good use.

I can't seem to find some of my favorite forum posts about how to furnish your apartment for cheap or the best ways to save money, but hopefully someone else can find them and post them here.

Here's one that I posted in (and I've quoted my post below because it talks about what I actually did when I wasn't making that much money):

Quote: (03-20-2013 01:59 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2013 04:44 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  

Being frugal means nothing in the bigger scheme of things. Why deprive yourself in the present? As long as you're living below your means, with the intention of expanding your means, fuck frugal - I want my dessert.

If you're saying that being frugal without expanding your income isn't going to get you that far, sure, that's obvious.

However, this is a thread about minimizing expenses and if you don't think that's a huge part of increasing your overall wealth, you're lost. The maxim that it's way easier to spend money than it is to earn it is true. In our consumer driven society, it's rare for people to understand their expenses and plan them. This is a thread about minimizing expenses, not maximizing income (which is equally a valuable topic).

To that point, I also highly recommend mint.com and staying on top of categorizing expenses. It can be a real eye opener.

There are many ways to save money. If you eat a decent amount of bread, buying a breadmaker can yield you loaves of bread for .25 each and this is just one example of being able to spend a minimal amount of time/money up front for really cheap food. Another way to do this is to buy a big crock pot and make yourself delicious lunches for the whole week. I try to buy in bulk where it makes sense and cook large meals or just straight out cook in bulk (8 sweet potatoes, 8 chicken breasts, big pot of oats) for the week. I love having healthy food ready to go at all times. I save money and time and I eat healthier. This improves my lifestyle significantly.

I live near bars/nightlife so it's very easy to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month just going out a couple times a week for drinks or to meet up/eat with friends. It's cheaper for me to stock my bar with handles of quality liquor and mixers, invite my friends over to pre-party, and THEN go out and have maybe a beer or two than it is for me to have the same (or even less) amount of well liquor drinks out at the bars.

Buying used as others have mentioned is huge. When I moved to where I live currently I had crap furniture and not much of it. I also had no appliances. Scouring Craig's List, Freecycle (recycling network where people give away stuff that they could otherwise get some money for because they know someone is going to use it, not resell it), and a lucky moving out of the country sale (my friend clued me into), I bought a clear shelved refrigerator with ice maker, nice toaster oven, tea kettle, older washer/dryer, nice faux wood kitchen table/chairs, L-shaped couch (super comfortable, albeit older), coffee table, wood dresser w/ huge mirror, pots/pans hanging set, kitchen utensils, bread box, golf club set, etc... all for maybe $500.

I shop at clothing discount stores for jeans/casual shoes and I don't care at all that I'm in there with the poor people. If I can buy a name brand for 30 or 40 cents on the dollar because a stitch isn't perfect, what do I care?

Dates - A little time spend researching/planning fun dates that are cheap is absolutely worthwhile. I've NEVER had a better date because I spent a lot of money. The absolute best dates I've had with the most positive response from women is where I spent minimal amounts of money but I was thoughtful and planned something. I've had a girl state "that was the best first date I've EVER HAD!" after I spent less than $10 dollars, but I found a place that was super cool/fun for a first date.

I've had a multi-millionaire MILF completely doe-eyed and in awe of a date that I pulled out of my ass by using Google Maps Sattelite view and trying to find somewhere cool to look at tidepools (because all women like to do things they enjoyed as little girls) and see the sunset from, yet have a little seclusion from other people too. When parking I got confused but ended up finding another little walkway in between some gorgeous homes that you could walk to and be up on a cliff overlooking the bay, so we did that and then did our walk in a slightly different area. She assumed I was like the master of the coast or something and that I had also planned the moon being directly in the valley between the shoreline on our walk back. Take charge, have a plan, this was completely free.

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