[Stimulus]

I'm curious, why is it of such importance having knowlegde of some random numbers? Why not focus all this wasted energy in actually improving yourself, thus your game?

You've got some respected members like Cobra, Lothario and Giovonny (posting his log which I also reffered you) giving you advice and trying to get you going. Yet you just ignore them and immediately go in 'defence-mode' vs XXL because of some statistics bullshit. Don't make these guys waste their time trying to help you if you don't want any help.

Come on, forget about some shitty numbers and improve yourself so you'll get HER number.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-23-2015 06:35 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

I'm curious, why is it of such importance having knowlegde of some random numbers? Why not focus all this wasted energy in actually improving yourself, thus your game?

You've got some respected members like Cobra, Lothario and Giovonny (posting his log which I also reffered you) giving you advice and trying to get you going. Yet you just ignore them and immediately go in 'defence-mode' vs XXL because of some statistics bullshit. Don't make these guys waste their time trying to help you if you don't want any help.

Come on, forget about some shitty numbers and improve yourself so you'll get HER number.

Listen up, I'm not being defensive - you are the one that is getting edgy with me and not the other way about. I posed a perfectly reasonable question, since I'm curious to know what the reasonable approach/number/bang reference range is so that I can gauge whether my results thus far are more a function of the market or my own performance - or lack thereof. If the latter, then I clearly need to improve something I'm doing wrong. Furthermore, I'm more than grateful for the contributions on this forum - especially guys like Cobra and Giovanny, however critical they may be of what I've reflected on, since I'm not on here to win a popularity contest but to actually move forward from approaches to getting laid.

[XXL]

OP, sure go ahead play with data if that's what can help you.

It has never helped me to study game from statistics standpoint. I prefer looking at each interaction individually to break down chain reactions, recall my good/bad moves and learn something.

Besides pick up involves another human being with free will. Gamewise you can do everything perfect technically and still come short due to girl's unavailability. On paper it's mission failed. In reality it's job well done.

[EuroSlumming]

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 02:25 PM)EuroSlumming Wrote:  

I'm impressed you can keep going with those kinds of numbers, that's up to 1 in 200 just to get a date, that's a hell of a lot of work for little reward.

Who said Day gaming and cold approaching is easy. This shit isn't for the faint of heart. Here is a mantra

"It is a Numbers game. Better your game lower the number"

Focus on Improving your Game and not the number. If you can take this arduous journey which sure is a lot of work for little reward you sure will come out on the end smelling like pussy and victory but joking aside cold approaching a hot girl and getting her on a date will infuse confidence in your overall life that you will see Improvements in all facets of life and no just sex life.

Daygame tends to attract guys who've given up on other avenues. This is the case for me, I don't like the late nights at the clubs and unless I lie like a mofo I'm not getting any young hotties through online dating.
So I can understand why guys soldier on, despite poor results, because it can be a case of if not this then what?

[Stimulus]

(12-23-2015 06:41 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:35 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

I'm curious, why is it of such importance having knowlegde of some random numbers? Why not focus all this wasted energy in actually improving yourself, thus your game?

You've got some respected members like Cobra, Lothario and Giovonny (posting his log which I also reffered you) giving you advice and trying to get you going. Yet you just ignore them and immediately go in 'defence-mode' vs XXL because of some statistics bullshit. Don't make these guys waste their time trying to help you if you don't want any help.

Come on, forget about some shitty numbers and improve yourself so you'll get HER number.

Listen up, I'm not being defensive - you are the one that is getting edgy with me and not the other way about. I posed a perfectly reasonable question, since I'm curious to know what the reasonable approach/number/bang reference range is so that I can gauge whether my results thus far are more a function of the market or my own performance - or lack thereof. If the latter, then I clearly need to improve something I'm doing wrong. Furthermore, I'm more than grateful for the contributions on this forum - especially guys like Cobra and Giovanny, however critical they may be of what I've reflected on, since I'm not on here to win a popularity contest but to actually move forward from approaches to getting laid.

Look, I'm not aiming at insulting you or start some flame war. If I did give off that vibe I sincerely apoligize.

I just really do not understand why you are opening all these threads with questions about stuff that doesn't matter at this point. You can't just compare this to the stock market where you buy/sell right away or wait for the numbers to go up/down.

I've experienced I had 100+ Tinder matches in a matter of 3 weeks and dated 11 of those, now I've got 72 in almost 2 months with just 2 dates (restarted profile, same pics and bio). I've never been unmatched this often with such shitty conversations. Why you ask? My mindset.

By the way, do you use online dating?

[memcpy]

What helped me was not keeping track of how many girls I talked to, etc. I just kept going till I got what I wanted then called it a day. Better to have that mindset.

If anything keeping an ocd statistical track of numbers will have a negative effect on your game.

[262]

(12-23-2015 12:04 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

But every daygame video of Krauser that I've come across shows him approaching and closing central or east European women. I'd like to see him pull off the same conversion rate with native English girls.

You haven't even Googled this question.

I can't post a link, since links to his blog are banned on this forum, so I'll just paraphrase his response to this question, which he apparently gets asked a lot.

Krauser isn't your dancing monkey, for free no less.

He approaches girls because they're hot.

Not because they're from Central or Eastern Europe.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-24-2015 03:59 AM)262 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:04 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

But every daygame video of Krauser that I've come across shows him approaching and closing central or east European women. I'd like to see him pull off the same conversion rate with native English girls.

You haven't even Googled this question.

I can't post a link, since links to his blog are banned on this forum, so I'll just paraphrase his response to this question, which he apparently gets asked a lot.

Krauser isn't your dancing monkey, for free no less.

He approaches girls because they're hot.

Not because they're from Central or Eastern Europe.

I tried to find as many video clips of Krauser in field as I could and not a single one show him successfully closing a native British woman after using his direct opener approach. If his method only works with foreign birds, then it's probably more a reflection of the more favourable SMP that the girl comes from than anything else. An example: I've approached 40 odd British women over the past couple of weeks and no result thus far. Yet the very first cute Chinese student girl I approached gave me her number and didn't flake when I asked her out the next day. Coincidence? Methinks not. I'm not knocking daygame - far from it, since it's my only realistic option left in the UK - but I feel the sexual market place a guy is operating in is a much bigger factor in explaining the success or failure for most guys these days.

[ksbms]

(12-23-2015 05:47 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 05:35 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Does anybody on here have any statistics - either general or from their own personal experience - that they would like to share? It would also be good to know - on average - how many approaches one would have to undertake to get a bang.

Forget statistics. The "average" doesn't mean anything. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit.

It's not like a 1/10 guy gets 9 rejections and then hit it with woman #10. It might as well look like this: a guy talks to 100 women. He sleeps with a woman #3, #5, #7, #10, #14 then he fails miserably for a long time and finally succeeds with woman #80, #88, #90, #95, #99. On paper he's 1/10 guy. In real life he's just random. Cold approach is random.

Not true. The past (empirical) data tells him exactly this - if you make a hundred approaches, statistically, you'll have sex with 10 different women. Thus, it's not random. This is actually a very reliable information. A random, stochastic process is a process completely unpredictable (which, technically, still isn't true - there are mathematical tools to make predictions regarding very messy data anyway).

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-24-2015 01:56 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 05:47 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 05:35 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Does anybody on here have any statistics - either general or from their own personal experience - that they would like to share? It would also be good to know - on average - how many approaches one would have to undertake to get a bang.

Forget statistics. The "average" doesn't mean anything. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit.

It's not like a 1/10 guy gets 9 rejections and then hit it with woman #10. It might as well look like this: a guy talks to 100 women. He sleeps with a woman #3, #5, #7, #10, #14 then he fails miserably for a long time and finally succeeds with woman #80, #88, #90, #95, #99. On paper he's 1/10 guy. In real life he's just random. Cold approach is random.

Not true. The past (empirical) data tells him exactly this - if you make a hundred approaches, statistically, you'll have sex with 10 different women. Thus, it's not random. This is actually a very reliable information. A random, stochastic process is a process completely unpredictable (which, technically, still isn't true - there are mathematical tools to make predictions regarding very messy data anyway).

At last, finally somebody with some sense has chimed in.

[262]

(12-24-2015 04:17 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I tried to find as many video clips of Krauser in field as I could and not a single one show him successfully closing a native British woman after using his direct opener approach. If his method only works with foreign birds, then it's probably more a reflection of the more favourable SMP that the girl comes from than anything else. An example: I've approached 40 odd British women over the past couple of weeks and no result thus far. Yet the very first cute Chinese student girl I approached gave me her number and didn't flake when I asked her out the next day. Coincidence? Methinks not. I'm not knocking daygame - far from it, since it's my only realistic option left in the UK - but I feel the sexual market place a guy is operating in is a much bigger factor in explaining the success or failure for most guys these days.

My guess is he's banged some native English women, but they maybe weren't hot enough (compared to his Central and Eastern European women) to make his highlight reel?

In any case, on that Chinese girl, you're realizing the same conclusion that other guys who've gone before you in their Game journey have.

Your sexual market value is relatively higher with certain non-Anglosphere girls.

Shoot, even in Atlanta, I remember number closing a Ukrainian, a Russian, a Colombian, and a Brazilian in a span of only a few months.

And not that many Ukrainians, Russians, Colombians, or Brazilians visit Atlanta, never mind live in it!

So until if and when you leave the West, keep approaching and trying to get laid, which will improve your Game for if and when you do leave.

Your only other choice would be to drop Game and focus on escaping.

Your call.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-24-2015 02:30 PM)262 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 04:17 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I tried to find as many video clips of Krauser in field as I could and not a single one show him successfully closing a native British woman after using his direct opener approach. If his method only works with foreign birds, then it's probably more a reflection of the more favourable SMP that the girl comes from than anything else. An example: I've approached 40 odd British women over the past couple of weeks and no result thus far. Yet the very first cute Chinese student girl I approached gave me her number and didn't flake when I asked her out the next day. Coincidence? Methinks not. I'm not knocking daygame - far from it, since it's my only realistic option left in the UK - but I feel the sexual market place a guy is operating in is a much bigger factor in explaining the success or failure for most guys these days.

My guess is he's banged some native English women, but they maybe weren't hot enough (compared to his Central and Eastern European women) to make his highlight reel?

In any case, on that Chinese girl, you're realizing the same conclusion that other guys who've gone before you in their Game journey have.

Your sexual market value is relatively higher with certain non-Anglosphere girls.

Shoot, even in Atlanta, I remember number closing a Ukrainian, a Russian, a Colombian, and a Brazilian in a span of only a few months.

And not that many Ukrainians, Russians, Colombians, or Brazilians visit Atlanta, never mind live in it!

So until if and when you leave the West, keep approaching and trying to get laid, which will improve your Game for if and when you do leave.

Your only other choice would be to drop Game and focus on escaping.

Your call.

I've already discovered this by setting up accounts on Badoo in various central European countries, such as Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia. The results are like night and day, compared to my locality of Teesside, where I basically get no interest from local women on POF, OKCupid, et.c. unless they are non-British. For example, last night I talked to an Ethiopian woman who was absolutely gorgeous, as well as a German MILF, but the local English girls were utterly indifferent. This is now the standard template. I do get attention from good-looking foreign women of all nationalities practically, so long as they are from outside of the Anglosphere, that is. Curiously, this wasn't always the case. As late as the middle of 2014, I was getting dates off OKC and other UK-based websites, but these days even that has dried up completely, such is the hypergamous and ego-inflating effect that all forms of social media have on British broads; furthermore, these are the very women who are already convinced their shit doesn't stink.

As for gaming on or going overseas, I'm actually doing both at the moment. I find that gaming British women in Middlesbrough is doing my time in the daygame bootcamp, from which I can only benefit in my future foreign endeavours, irrespective of the outcome of the undertaking with British wenches. I've already noticed how I get eye-fucked much, much more often by Polish and other nationalities of women here in comparison to the local women. It has become painfully obvious over recent weeks just how insanely indifferent British - and other women in other parts of the Anglosphere - are towards men and goes a long way to explaining the thirst that reigns supreme here.

[polar]

Stop reading any and all pickup material until you do 100 more approaches. You've gotten plenty of advice but now you need to put it in practice. Set up an online account in your town if you want (I think it'd be good practice) but forget Badoo abroad unless you're pipelining for a trip within two weeks.

You're at the point of the beginner's grind. Either you'll give up without doing 100-200 more approaches to break through this plateau (and discover another one) or you'll quit.

Alternatively, you could also get banned for being hostile when people call you out. Nobody who's truly good (and I'm not there) got there by being a special snowflake. Instead, it's hard work and growing a thick skin over YEARS.

You can't get to (insert pickup guru name)'s level overnight, but you can get to a fraction of it a year from now. The question is whether you find it inspiring or disheartening, and if you're going to do the work.

[Mess O.]

Both Roosh and Krauser can attest to the possibility of having to hammer through hundreds of approaches before any definitive results. It takes solid dedication and an unfailing resolve to succeed, as with any venture.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-24-2015 04:14 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  

Both Roosh and Krauser can attest to the possibility of having to hammer through hundreds of approaches before any definitive results. It takes solid dedication and an unfailing resolve to succeed, as with any venture.

OK, fellas, thanks for all of the constructive criticism, which I'm trying to take on board. I've taken a break over the past couple of days to pause for breath and to reflect on what I might improve on in my approaches. Having adopted a rather rambling, low-octane approach, I'm tempted to go much more direct in future in my approaches, although I'm not sure this is going to go down well with women in my area. I suppose there's only one way to find out and that is to try it.

[LeapLeap]

(12-24-2015 02:45 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I've already discovered this by setting up accounts on Badoo in various central European countries, such as Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia. The results are like night and day, compared to my locality of Teesside, where I basically get no interest from local women on POF, OKCupid, et.c. unless they are non-British. For example, last night I talked to an Ethiopian woman who was absolutely gorgeous, as well as a German MILF, but the local English girls were utterly indifferent. This is now the standard template. I do get attention from good-looking foreign women of all nationalities practically, so long as they are from outside of the Anglosphere, that is. Curiously, this wasn't always the case. As late as the middle of 2014, I was getting dates off OKC and other UK-based websites, but these days even that has dried up completely, such is the hypergamous and ego-inflating effect that all forms of social media have on British broads; furthermore, these are the very women who are already convinced their shit doesn't stink.

As for gaming on or going overseas, I'm actually doing both at the moment. I find that gaming British women in Middlesbrough is doing my time in the daygame bootcamp, from which I can only benefit in my future foreign endeavours, irrespective of the outcome of the undertaking with British wenches. I've already noticed how I get eye-fucked much, much more often by Polish and other nationalities of women here in comparison to the local women. It has become painfully obvious over recent weeks just how insanely indifferent British - and other women in other parts of the Anglosphere - are towards men and goes a long way to explaining the thirst that reigns supreme here.

Which begs the question - who are these British broads fucking?

[Heightcel]

Think i did over a 1000 approaches in around 15 months, mostly direct

''Hi, i know this is really random but I saw you walking by and I think you're really cute''. ''So I had to come up and say hi''

Ive gotten around 7 bangs through this

After a long time of no daygame, im getting back into it now

my main issues are

lack of sexual threat
incongruent with tone of voice and projection / volume
Lack of uplifting emotions conveyed through voice / body language

Trying to work on it again, keep in mind this is with very above average looks, approaching only 7s 8s and 9s

[dknightbro]

My 2cents on stats.

If you are highly technical + have a very strong passion for game (key), then using stats from the get go can be useful.

In my evolution, I disregarded stats mostly coming up. I just focused on improving at each stage of the game (Approach, Hooking, etc.) until I felt that stage was up to speed.

Now that I have a grasp of the spectrum, I use stats to push myself. Can I get higher conversion rates?

Being a complete newbie & using stats is generally ill-advised (but there can be outliers, hence why I say having strong passion for the game helps).

In general, do not focus on stats until you are well-versed in game to a certain point. Then use stats to push yourself to see if you can obtain higher conversion rates.

Quite simple & straightforward really.

Just don't become a stat monkey / armchair jockey who doesn't go infield.

[Durden]

(12-22-2015 05:35 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I've been running daygame in shops and malls over the past 16 days and have made a total of 43 approaches. During this time, I haven't managed to get a single woman's phone number who was British, but I did manage to get a Chinese student girl's number and we went out on a date, although it didn't develop into anything else.

Around half of the approaches result in the woman quickly walking away after giving me a terse reply when I open her with a situational comment about the goods in the store or about the difficulty of buying presents at Christmas, with the other half tending to stop and talk with varying degrees of interest and flirtation. Of all the women that have been the most flirtatious, when I've finally popped the question about going out for a coffee, they've replied with the, "Oh sorry, I've got a boyfriend/I'm engaged/I'm married" line. This latter category, I've noticed, just seem to be milking the encounter for the attention buzz that it gives them, knowing full-well that I'm hitting on them but leaving it to the very last minute to let me know that they're in a relationship.

Anyway, I'm seriously wondering how many approaches I am going to have to put in before I can at least get a phone number to go out on a date (with native British women)? Does anybody on here have any statistics - either general or from their own personal experience - that they would like to share? It would also be good to know - on average - how many approaches one would have to undertake to get a bang. You can PM me on my direct game script which lasts about 1-2 minutes.

My overall rate is 50% and that includes the ones with boyfriends which do not give out their numbers. I am the best cold approacher in the western hemisphere. The numbers are streaky though. You generally need a lot of #s for a bang. Going from number to date is the tricky part, at least for me. Have a new system I am beta testing right now.