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LTR fans. Debate about the ultimate feasibility of taming a woman, do unicorns exist
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LTR fans. Debate about the ultimate feasibility of taming a woman, do unicorns exist

Quote: (12-19-2015 10:30 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

For the OP:

You can't negotiate desire. You also can't negotiate passion, trust, commitment or anything else.

That's something she will give you out of free will or not at all.

It seems like your kids play heavily into this dynamic.

I haven't done a ton of thinking on this, but I remember how it was growing up.

My dad isn't a total alpha, but one thing he did right was making sure that he and mom were a unified front against the kids.

I don't know what kind of game my dad was running behind the scenes but it was always clear that mom's first responsibility was to him.

I remember going to church together and when it came time to give peace to everyone mom and dad would turn to embrace each other before us no matter what.

I could never understand why they did that and eventually I asked my mom and she told me, "your father and our relationship comes before you," or something to that effect.

I think that is an effective way to do it. I was a pretty rotten kid and I know I caused a lot of stress on their relationship but they kept it together.

I think what you are saying is that you told your wife that your family comes before your relationship.

Now I'm not going to tell you that is totally wrong and that you need to change it. I'm just telling you what I experienced as a kid. To me it would make logical sense that the relationship between the parents would be the foundation that the family is built upon.

There are some real gems from this deep memory as to see what it takes for real success in a family relationship.

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LTR fans. Debate about the ultimate feasibility of taming a woman, do unicorns exist

Quote: (12-16-2015 10:14 PM)whatsayitboys Wrote:  

So the first thread I made on this was shite, so I've broken this up into a separate thread. I'd like to hear from some old guard here that actually do LTRs and have gone long (had kids).

I've put things under the microscope and at a theoretical level, I'm unsure that a woman can actually be sufficiently trained or tamed to be a proper wife.

Everyone knows one or a few "red pill women." These are what I consider unicorns. The idea of a woman that will never leave you is preposterous, that blue pill fantasy is bullshit. That idea of a unicorn is false.

But really putting successful families and LTRs under a microscope, what I see is a woman that willingly submits and has a natural inclination to please a man. And that, with a proper man, makes leading easy but also creates natural incentives for him to want to please her in the same way. Both genders strive to be their best selves.

I have, I think worked nearly as close I can get to having a woman perfectly charmed who did not have a natural desire to please a man. I've been SMV10 to her at times, but she's never taken an active role in greasing the wheels or making things work better.

In this case, a woman without this innate desire (which I assume is instilled by her father and the relationship between them), is required at all times to be charmed, tamed or figuratively beaten into submission. To let down your guard is to let her consume you and for her to ruin the family. How long you can be drunk at the wheel depends on how intense she is, and how many options she has.

What I've seen with women with this natural desire to please is a significant increase in the time one can be drunk at the wheel, less friction and much lower failure rates.

I think I'm close to finding the answer here, but I'm curious to find out. I've got about 6 months to a year before I can say that a woman can ultimately be tamed and changed. Alchemy of sorts.

The leverage or dread here seems to be creating the ultimate nuclear family. Once you get that in order proper, dread isn't that you have options (and you should) but that family is what you give her for her willing submission and interest in pleasing you, actively. That when she stops bringing her a-game, you have friends to catch up with instead of time to go to the zoo.

This doesn't mean she lacks independence, but instead considers that aside from her duty to please, just as your duty is to be the masculine force in her life and the silverback patriarch to your children.

Right now I have some resistance that she feels as though she's going to shed her actual being. I'm playing with the devil's core right now. I'm being very careful and trying to consult some people that have a better background in nuclear physics while I sit here playing with a screwdriver.

How about saying shit instead of shite? That's awful annoying.
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LTR fans. Debate about the ultimate feasibility of taming a woman, do unicorns exist

As another married guy with 3 kids and a so -so marriage I hear your pain OP.

This book http://www.amazon.ca/The-Married-Life-Pr...B004W0IRQ8 is very helpful to give you a tool kit of what to do and breaks game down into emotional comfort and attraction. This is pretty much THE only red pill marriage advice book./ The author's opinions and thoughts have grown more complex and nuanced over time.



Athol kays old blog posts have a lot more insight and wisdom in them for the married guy.


This book is more in the "turn your life around" kind of thing.

http://www.amazon.ca/Mindful-Attraction-...509&sr=1-3

His blog is here:

http://marriedmansexlife.com/blog/


If you do nothing else, I recommend getting the book and trying to apply it. PM me if you want more details.
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