This thread is about "9's", so why do we have pics of Miley Cyrus, Kim Kardashian and some flat bodied Russian chicks?
Game Theory: Handling 9s
Aren't all famous non fat white babes "9's"?
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I don't have experience with 9's right now. I have experience with some 8's and the times I approached and offered something, mainly my looks. Pulled 8 airline stewardist from club, she digged my body as at the time I was in the best shape of my life. The 8 I got with here in Medellin digged me because I was tall, white and had blue eyes. I have a buddy who is with a 8 and the dude is a chode full blown, I have seen him cry a couple times because his girl is talking to another guy. The guy has good social proof though and is in medical school, that's why she is with him. Make the 9 realize they are on your level, whatever it is you can leverage. Don't do it in validation seeking way but rather a natural way, if that makes sense.
That blonde chick with the billionaire is a lot closer to 9 then a 6. A 6 is above average, just fuckable, that chick ain't a 6.
That blonde chick with the billionaire is a lot closer to 9 then a 6. A 6 is above average, just fuckable, that chick ain't a 6.
Life isn't a photograph.
What is never mentioned about women is how the interact and move.
That blue blooded chick with the billionaire...I'm just guessing but I suspect she knows how to move and behave in a very sexy, feminine way.
These things matter and can make or break a chick's attractiveness....in person...in real life.
What is never mentioned about women is how the interact and move.
That blue blooded chick with the billionaire...I'm just guessing but I suspect she knows how to move and behave in a very sexy, feminine way.
These things matter and can make or break a chick's attractiveness....in person...in real life.
If it wasn't clear by now: don't pedestalize
Quote: (11-29-2015 05:11 PM)offthereservation Wrote:
Quote: (11-29-2015 07:42 AM)Pride male Wrote:
Quote: (11-29-2015 05:44 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:
^^ Not a 9.
Are you serious?! What is she then? A five and half? She is dating a billionaire for Christssakes!
strong 6
not all billionaires date 9s
not all 9s date rich
I'm not gonna shit on Pride's choice, but what makes her more than a 6 is who she is, her social status, along with her general attractiveness.
She's not attainable by any Joe Blow off the street because she's literally a noble.
And that's part of the problem with this discussion.
People just don't WANT to agree with what a 9 (which is essentially a 10, i'm not sure why anyone is fooling themselves by subtracting 1). There's absolutely no negotiation between the guys offering different definitions.
WIA
It really does seem that The Forum as a whole is completely clueless on how to attract & seduce 9s.
It really does seem that the Forum as a whole cant agree on what constitutes a 9.
Don't debate me.
Quote: (11-29-2015 05:10 PM)The Wire Wrote:
Quote: (11-29-2015 04:57 PM)Rush87 Wrote:
Quote: (11-29-2015 03:52 PM)birthday cat Wrote:
If there is a guy who consistently gets 9s without fame or money then I will guess that he doesn’t think a lot about how to treat a 9 differently than a 7 or an 8. I think he treats everyone differently because he understands enough about women and people to treat them all differently. He has a different perspective and isn't thinking in terms of 8 versus 9.
I would include looks as well. I:E: A guy who consistently gets 9s without fame, money or looks.
My best friend might just be the most successful person I've ever met when it comes to women. He has no money. He has next to no social circle. He has no game and he routinely gets the best quality female in any given social situation all the while saying some of the most cringe worthy game killer lines. He's currently dating a South African model [Who also happened to be a virgin]. They live together in Amsterdam. He smokes weed all day. Doesn't work. Plays video games and is 100% in control of the relationship.
All he has is looks BUT…
…Looks always afford anyone instantly high status.
It sounds like has a lot more than looks going for him. He obviously has some kind of rock solid frame that allowing him to smoke weed and play video games and control the relationship. Sounds pretty alpha to me and he doesn't need a "who lies more" opener to bang models.
He's leveraging more than looks because I know guys who are better looking than their girlfriend and they still don't even come close to controlling the relationship. Trust me your friend is leveraging something else which is much better than PUA lines.
100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.
It's also part of the reason I voted to treat them the same. As human beings the major differences from one beautiful girl to the next is environment. Outside of environmental differences [And obviously personality traits] most girls will be susceptible to the same things. It's just the status you hold that allows it to become effective as you move up the scale of desirability.
Quote: (11-29-2015 10:29 AM)getdownonit Wrote:
Let's keep this thread on topic, there are other threads for this sort of thing:
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Regardless of your makeup argument, there are women who are objectively beautiful with or without makeup, who will inevitably have vastly different life experiences than the rest of us, from a young age.
The way I see it these women have been coddled not only as children, as most are, but especially since their teen and adolescent years. Free stuff, approached by high (and low) status males, appearance-based employment where they're around other beautiful women...
This experience gives them a better ability to discern a true high status male from a guy with game. Experience is knowledge is power, as in any other field. She's been dealing with this far more than most women and has way more options than other women. Why would she, knowing she's a high status female, go for anything less than top shelf?
You still need game. A rich loser is still a loser.How many threads are there on here about celebrities or sports stars acting beta in one way or another
I fail to see how my post is off topic. You treat a supposed 9 like any other girl because quite frankly there is nothing special about them. Get them without make up and they look like every other girl: plain.
Nothing wrong with that, but by placing the girl on the pedestal you've fallen into their trap. Women are for all intensive purposes very plain underneath that layer of caked makeup.
Treat them the same, and game away.
Can anyone actually post something relevant about handling attractive women instead of debating about their appearance?
I have part 2 in the making but I'd like to read something similar to what Scorpion posted
I have part 2 in the making but I'd like to read something similar to what Scorpion posted
Quote: (11-30-2015 06:36 AM)XXL Wrote:
Can anyone actually post something relevant about handling attractive women instead of debating about their appearance?
I have part 2 in the making but I'd like to read something similar to what Scorpion posted
I have a feeling what some people seem to be getting at is more so: "How to handle attractive women in the absence of significant status". With a higher status level than the female, in every scenario I've seen, how they're are treated is absolutely the same as any generic six. The only difference is that the male handling the nine is of higher status and as a result omitted from the excessive hoop jumping.
In that scenario: I'd be interested to hear peoples opinions as well. From my own perspective it is a losing battle. Game can only take a man so far. Especially when your competition has many more strings to their bow.
For woman, love and even attraction is someone at the peak of hypergamy. You can 'fake it' to get the bang - But if it isn't there in the first place the relationship is built on a deck of cards.
Here is the thing with 9s, and women in general...
There are essentially two types. As I like to designate them - the hoes, and the housewives. This dichotomy is somewhat of an oversimplification, as is alpha and beta, and most women fall in between complete and total hoe to boring housewife. That said, with respect to looks, it's more about a woman's sexuality than physical appearance (though physical appearance is important).
The housewife isn't all that sexual. She wants a boyfriend, and probably has one. She's usually in an LTR. Regardless of looks, they're just boring. Compare your total housewife to a beta male. You meet this type of girl on match.com. She typically works a job in healthcare, non-profits, or teaching. I know plenty of 9s who could legitimately be strippers or models who are actually quite boring and have somewhat beta boyfriends.
On the other end of the spectrum, you have your hoes. The hoes know how to harness and exploit their sexuality. They're the girl who grabs your tie seductively, licks her lips, and stares you down with eyes that just say "fuck me." These are the girls that never have a boyfriend, but tend to be around males a lot. Hoes are sexy even if they're a 6 because they're dripping with sexuality. You know that behind closed door she would suck the skin off your dick, and then smile while drenched in your cum, begging for more. They usually work in the service industry as bartenders, waitresses, or strippers. They understand the connection between money and sexuality.
If a hoe happens to be extremely good looking, their demand is off the charts. They know how to play into the hearts and weeners of beta males, and often they can bring the most alpha of us to our knees. These girls are around powerful men who ask them to model, join them for bottle service, and attend private cocaine parties. They've usually fucked a professional athlete or two.
My two cents is this - if she's a hoe, and a 9 (or even a 6) don't waste your time trying to wife her up. You can't make a hoe into a housewife. The hoe 9s are the girls you see on Dan Bilzerian's Instagram account or flying to Dubai to be shit on, because they've figured out how to use their vagina to manipulate powerful men. No matter how alpha you are, their needs and desires will change. Locking that vagina down when they're in their 20s and early 30s is virtually impossible. They are extremely attractive sexual creatures and they've learned how to harness that sexuality, which is compounded by the fact that they're very good looking. I've seen these girls flown to Vegas, given bottle service everywhere they go, and then back to the hotel room for a coked out drunken orgy. While the hoe 6s might fuck some of the alpha guys in the neighborhood, the hoe 9s have opportunities most of us could never dream of.
These are certainly not the women you want to be your wife, and the mother of your children. They're fun to party with, but not useful for anything else.
In any event, my point is this - it's not really about a woman's looks per se. It's about her sexuality, and how she chooses to embrace it. Women regardless of looks are women. If she's a housewife 9, treat her like you would any other girl. If she's a 9 constantly flying to Dubai and Vegas on a waitresses's wages, well, proceed accordingly.
There are essentially two types. As I like to designate them - the hoes, and the housewives. This dichotomy is somewhat of an oversimplification, as is alpha and beta, and most women fall in between complete and total hoe to boring housewife. That said, with respect to looks, it's more about a woman's sexuality than physical appearance (though physical appearance is important).
The housewife isn't all that sexual. She wants a boyfriend, and probably has one. She's usually in an LTR. Regardless of looks, they're just boring. Compare your total housewife to a beta male. You meet this type of girl on match.com. She typically works a job in healthcare, non-profits, or teaching. I know plenty of 9s who could legitimately be strippers or models who are actually quite boring and have somewhat beta boyfriends.
On the other end of the spectrum, you have your hoes. The hoes know how to harness and exploit their sexuality. They're the girl who grabs your tie seductively, licks her lips, and stares you down with eyes that just say "fuck me." These are the girls that never have a boyfriend, but tend to be around males a lot. Hoes are sexy even if they're a 6 because they're dripping with sexuality. You know that behind closed door she would suck the skin off your dick, and then smile while drenched in your cum, begging for more. They usually work in the service industry as bartenders, waitresses, or strippers. They understand the connection between money and sexuality.
If a hoe happens to be extremely good looking, their demand is off the charts. They know how to play into the hearts and weeners of beta males, and often they can bring the most alpha of us to our knees. These girls are around powerful men who ask them to model, join them for bottle service, and attend private cocaine parties. They've usually fucked a professional athlete or two.
My two cents is this - if she's a hoe, and a 9 (or even a 6) don't waste your time trying to wife her up. You can't make a hoe into a housewife. The hoe 9s are the girls you see on Dan Bilzerian's Instagram account or flying to Dubai to be shit on, because they've figured out how to use their vagina to manipulate powerful men. No matter how alpha you are, their needs and desires will change. Locking that vagina down when they're in their 20s and early 30s is virtually impossible. They are extremely attractive sexual creatures and they've learned how to harness that sexuality, which is compounded by the fact that they're very good looking. I've seen these girls flown to Vegas, given bottle service everywhere they go, and then back to the hotel room for a coked out drunken orgy. While the hoe 6s might fuck some of the alpha guys in the neighborhood, the hoe 9s have opportunities most of us could never dream of.
These are certainly not the women you want to be your wife, and the mother of your children. They're fun to party with, but not useful for anything else.
In any event, my point is this - it's not really about a woman's looks per se. It's about her sexuality, and how she chooses to embrace it. Women regardless of looks are women. If she's a housewife 9, treat her like you would any other girl. If she's a 9 constantly flying to Dubai and Vegas on a waitresses's wages, well, proceed accordingly.
Quote: (11-27-2015 10:24 AM)Pride male Wrote:
One of the few 9s I have had the pleasure of seeing face to face. Didnt bang though. Lady Kitty Spencer. She dated cricketer Nick Compton and is now engaged a 44 year old tycoon.
I saw her at college not knowing who she was. I told her she should be in Hollywood instead of college and she politely smiled and said thanks. She tried to hook me up with her ugly friend. I wasnt interested.
That isn't a nine. How old is she? She's pretty for sure but being regal and submissive can't make her a 9.
I'm sure she's pretty but I wouldn't rate higher than a 6-7.
I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
Also note...
The entire rating scale is subjective to an extent.
I like short petite girls. Some guys like tall girls, thick girls, girls with a big ass, big tits, blond hair, whatever. Your 9 might be my 7, my 8 might be a 6 for you.
Then you have your "it" factor. Some women just ooze sexuality. They might look like a 7 on paper, but in person she's just sexy as fuck.
We can generally agree on certain qualities - not being fat, big tits (compared to waist size), pretty smile, long hair, etc. But there's no real point in saying "this is a 9, this is a 7, this is a 4" because it's subjective. It's like debating whether blue is a better color than red.
The entire rating scale is subjective to an extent.
I like short petite girls. Some guys like tall girls, thick girls, girls with a big ass, big tits, blond hair, whatever. Your 9 might be my 7, my 8 might be a 6 for you.
Then you have your "it" factor. Some women just ooze sexuality. They might look like a 7 on paper, but in person she's just sexy as fuck.
We can generally agree on certain qualities - not being fat, big tits (compared to waist size), pretty smile, long hair, etc. But there's no real point in saying "this is a 9, this is a 7, this is a 4" because it's subjective. It's like debating whether blue is a better color than red.
Quote: (11-30-2015 09:33 AM)Fortis Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2015 10:24 AM)Pride male Wrote:
One of the few 9s I have had the pleasure of seeing face to face. Didnt bang though. Lady Kitty Spencer. She dated cricketer Nick Compton and is now engaged a 44 year old tycoon.
I saw her at college not knowing who she was. I told her she should be in Hollywood instead of college and she politely smiled and said thanks. She tried to hook me up with her ugly friend. I wasnt interested.
That isn't a nine. How old is she? She's pretty for sure but being regal and submissive can't make her a 9.
I'm sure she's pretty but I wouldn't rate higher than a 6-7.
She is 24. Ok, having seen this photo, I would rate her a 7.1
Don't debate me.
Quote: (11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:
100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.
Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?
I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.
They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.
This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived
WIA
Quote: (11-30-2015 11:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Quote: (11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:
100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.
Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?
I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.
They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.
This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived
WIA
Don't debate me.
Quote: (11-30-2015 09:33 AM)Fortis Wrote:
Quote: (11-27-2015 10:24 AM)Pride male Wrote:
One of the few 9s I have had the pleasure of seeing face to face. Didnt bang though. Lady Kitty Spencer. She dated cricketer Nick Compton and is now engaged a 44 year old tycoon.
I saw her at college not knowing who she was. I told her she should be in Hollywood instead of college and she politely smiled and said thanks. She tried to hook me up with her ugly friend. I wasnt interested.
That isn't a nine. How old is she? She's pretty for sure but being regal and submissive can't make her a 9.
I'm sure she's pretty but I wouldn't rate higher than a 6-7.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... I think she is a 7, but we can debate this like nerds. If she lost 20 lbs, she is a 8-9.
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Once again, the "9" was defined in OP and reiterated by myself on page 1. No need to debate on semantics and minutia.
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Anyway like I said just about all of this is speculative because very few of us have any sort of useful experience with extremely beautiful girls. None of us on here are calvin klein underwear models either so it is what it is.
I really can't speak anymore on this topic, but it would be nice if there were members who could. I would think in the 15 years or so Roosh has been gaming all over the world maybe he has asked a few where the pet shop may be - be cool if he chimed in. Wish CMQ was still around, I'm sure being a VIP host has awarded him plenty of close encounters with extremely attractive women.
I can say for me personally, if I encountered and extremely gorgeous girl and wanted to spit some game I would do my best to not grovel at her feet or be try-hard etc. as I would suspect she sees that a lot. I would treat her normal like she is completely on my level and not out of my league. I wouldn't go aloof-asshole game and treat her like a fatty perse, but I would try to not make her feel like I'm putting her on a pedestal.
Once again, the "9" was defined in OP and reiterated by myself on page 1. No need to debate on semantics and minutia.
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Anyway like I said just about all of this is speculative because very few of us have any sort of useful experience with extremely beautiful girls. None of us on here are calvin klein underwear models either so it is what it is.
I really can't speak anymore on this topic, but it would be nice if there were members who could. I would think in the 15 years or so Roosh has been gaming all over the world maybe he has asked a few where the pet shop may be - be cool if he chimed in. Wish CMQ was still around, I'm sure being a VIP host has awarded him plenty of close encounters with extremely attractive women.
I can say for me personally, if I encountered and extremely gorgeous girl and wanted to spit some game I would do my best to not grovel at her feet or be try-hard etc. as I would suspect she sees that a lot. I would treat her normal like she is completely on my level and not out of my league. I wouldn't go aloof-asshole game and treat her like a fatty perse, but I would try to not make her feel like I'm putting her on a pedestal.
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These numbers are all about the level of sexual excitement you feel at the moment for the woman. We waste time thinking about her as a thing "out there" and not realizing that the flow of energy within us must be mastered first.
Quote: (11-30-2015 12:04 PM)General Stalin Wrote:
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The thread is getting derailed is because there are no correct answers when we are asking the wrong question.
There are too many other factors that make more of a difference in how you should treat a girl than 1 or 2 points on a convoluted scale.
Is she 19 or 29? What continent/country/city is she from? What kind of relationship does she have with her family especially her father? Is she an extrovert or introvert? Does she like to go to bars and night clubs or does she prefer coffee shops and museums?
More importantly, why should a 9 be attracted to you? Why are the 9’s friends going to be impressed by you? What makes you different from the billions of other men that want to bang her?
Quote: (11-30-2015 07:17 AM)Rush87 Wrote:
Quote: (11-30-2015 06:36 AM)XXL Wrote:
Can anyone actually post something relevant about handling attractive women instead of debating about their appearance?
I have part 2 in the making but I'd like to read something similar to what Scorpion posted
I have a feeling what some people seem to be getting at is more so: "How to handle attractive women in the absence of significant status". With a higher status level than the female, in every scenario I've seen, how they're are treated is absolutely the same as any generic six. The only difference is that the male handling the nine is of higher status and as a result omitted from the excessive hoop jumping.
In that scenario: I'd be interested to hear peoples opinions as well. From my own perspective it is a losing battle. Game can only take a man so far. Especially when your competition has many more strings to their bow.
For woman, love and even attraction is someone at the peak of hypergamy. You can 'fake it' to get the bang - But if it isn't there in the first place the relationship is built on a deck of cards.
Yes, I thought the whole point of this thread was "How to handle attractive women in the absence of significant status" aka what we do TODAY to meet one of those girls and not fuck it up. Adding status/fame into the equation destroys the whole thread cause that's completely different topic.
What I posted is my personal experience, observations and conclusions about dealing with hotties as a nobody basically.
Lot of great feedback and recycled theories, some prove useful.
I'm not even going to start on the 1-9 scale.
I still think if you aren't top notch, it's doubtful you're getting 9's.
Baller/Sponsor deal can get those girls of course.
I still think Lifestyle Game + Adjusted Game/Frame is what will swoop these fly girls up.
Like I said I feel like I've literally only almost banged a 9, but it was a bad drunk situation.
A handful of 8's banged, one being my LTR.
So I don't have much experience nor the bankroll to lure these girls in. So should I even care about those 9's if I'm not able to reach them ? Or is that self defeating ? Is this just a mental circle jerk in mind?
I'm not even going to start on the 1-9 scale.
I still think if you aren't top notch, it's doubtful you're getting 9's.
Baller/Sponsor deal can get those girls of course.
I still think Lifestyle Game + Adjusted Game/Frame is what will swoop these fly girls up.
Like I said I feel like I've literally only almost banged a 9, but it was a bad drunk situation.
A handful of 8's banged, one being my LTR.
So I don't have much experience nor the bankroll to lure these girls in. So should I even care about those 9's if I'm not able to reach them ? Or is that self defeating ? Is this just a mental circle jerk in mind?
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