This is something which has been on my mind and it is funny that it coincides with my return to the forum; you gave me some further impetus to regurgitate these thoughts on to here.
Hooligan Harry and Distant Light are probably the best posters to comment on this.
Preface: I have banged 1 legit 9, gotten to know (decently) around 8-9 and my friends have also experienced the same.
My observations arise from personal experience and anecdotal discussion with individuals from scenes frequented by elite women such as:
-Super yachts in the French Riviera, Hamptons, Miami and the Caribbean
-Friends who are photographers working for the top modelling agencies here in Cape Town (CT has hands down the hottest girls but harder than EE) & a German lady 50 years old who is one of the biggest photographers for Vogue (probably the most genuine woman I have ever met)
-Working in a boutique hotel, part-time manager, which deals exclusively with German production companies (adverts for fashion houses etc) and modelling agencies such as 20 Management (liaises with Ford, Why Not in Milan & Marilyn Gaultier in Paris), Ice, Boss etc.
-Being a regular at the local hangouts where these models frequent & befriending the photographers – game ala Distant Light
- An Italian friend of mine who did Milan fashion week for 3 seasons in a row as a photographer
-The guy I live with who bangs 4-5 girls a week, who are at least 7s but there have been two 9s that I have personally witnessed
-A family member is engaged to a 9; she used to model but now is the face of a wine company and travels extensively. He smokes weed and plays FIFA all day but has a good job but more importantly, he is handsome, comes from a rich/good family but ultimately is a child!
The reason I harp on about this is to give context as to where and how you will meet 9s and more importantly, how they roll. The most common theme in all of the above examples is status. This post is about game though. So bear with me as I cover status briefly.
Status is what gets your foot in the door. Game is what will keep her around.
If you have this, you are entitled and have a lot more leeway.
Status = money and power and as time passes by, if your status is relative (big fish in a small pond) it will be harder to keep her around and you will need more game.
I cannot give a cheat sheet and I doubt that a guy regularly pulling 9s would have the time to actively post on this forum but I adapt in certain ways around such women.
Re: Status and getting you in there
a) Preselection
This is covered to a high extent here but cannot be understated.
- Are you a hot commodity?
- Is there already there? -> Most guys fail with these girls because they try and communicate their status instead of letting the status do the talking for itself
- Do you make people feel good and is this infectious?
Think Distant Light (who is the perfect person for this question).
b) Congruence and how you treat them (touches on handling)
To some, this will be different to 7s and for others it will be exactly the same. What this comes down to is congruence. This is fundamental in the sense that you are yourself and not trying hard because you are impressed by her beauty. The guys I know who do the best are the ones who are themselves around the waitresses, models and the cleaning ladies.
Their beauty has gotten them into circles surrounded by money, fake emotions and showing face. Hence, they have these ‘shields’ around. Actually, ‘shields’ a negative frame. They are just blending in.
For interactions:
- You look like you belong in that environment and if, in any way ‘working’, you are the boss (re: photographers, managing hotels etc.)
- As above, have I got money/am I good looking/high status/powerful/big fish in a small pond even?
- You judge them based off their actions and not their looks
- A bit of vulnerability goes a long way, you are not ashamed of being yourself and losing them but rather are there to create an emotional connection
- You are congruent and in line with your behaviour. She can see that you treat other women the same way as you treat her (7s and 9s) but you reward the behaviour and stuff differently
- Given the above, when you are making a move, it is out of pure intrigue and you plant seeds (indirect) as opposed to direct where your status will need to be through the roof
c) Calibration to a higher level
You can adjust to the higher level of what is going on and mesh your reality with hers. A 9 is used to the high life, people having money and status. This is related to belonging but an easier way to describe this would be:
If peoples personalities are A – Z, can I identify (looking past her hotness, standard 7 game and the status of my ‘competitors’) that we will get along from F – T and project it and amplify that?
With this, it is easier to draw a Venn diagram to show what I mean:
Bubble of attraction = (personality + leveraging your attractiveness/status + calibration + directing the interaction over time) + (her willingness to open up + ping off what you are putting out there)
Thus, where our personalities intersect:
-Do I have enough time to project this?
-Does this set me apart i.e. what am I bringing to this bubble that is special?
-Does it pass the litmus test of game theories?
-Can I leverage this into a legitimate connection, looking past her beauty?
-Do I have the balls to challenge her personality, if it is subpar? (can walk away and don’t really care because I got that abundance?)
-Even if impressed, can I still communicate such abundance through my actions and body language?
Re: Handling 9s once you have them around
a) Cultural and societal intelligence
9s from Russia will be different to 9s from Australia.
I believe this to be important in the sense that you can adapt and accept that Russian women will be more materialistic, stone cold and want a guy who can treat them in an old-school manner. It is hit and miss of course, based off on where you meet them. The Australian may be more status driven and want you to have that on show. I am assuming the woman in your example is EE.
They may be exactly the same and you will need to identify such traits and keep it going. Like any women, they have the same things that drive them:
-Attention -> they want to feel wanted
-Validation -> they want to be reassured, from you and her friends
-Approval -> they want your permission and consent
9s will behave differently to 7s though and experience all of the above to a high extent.
Can you meet these on an emotional level as opposed to the materialistic level that most guys feed 9s with through the creation of memorable experiences?
b) Sucking her into your reality
This essentially means bringing her in to your world and having a special relationship where she pings off you.
Women ping off men and view their realities through the lens us men experience life.
When they shit test us and try and change us, it is because they are challenging that view.
-Maintaining the bubble of attraction as posed above in the Venn diagram
-Setting a rewarding frame based off her behaviour not her looks
-Setting a new level of normalcy by redefining what you find attractive about women, not what her previous boyfriends set the level at
She is joining you for the ride of what is your life and you reward her good behaviour with passenger seat on this exciting, sometimes opulent, ultimately captivating journey.
c) Vulnerability
You have to show a few chinks in your armour to be authentic. I believe if you genuinely care for a person (forget the paper alpha analogies littered all over the forum), this will automatically come out.
This is very powerful as this will balance against the status and show your human side. You gotta pick your timing of when to be stoic and when to be vulnerable. Always on an independent level for her to ping off it, she will open up to you this way. If you are vulnerable when pinging off to her (shit tests etc.) then it undermines your calmness and stoicism.
d) Normalcy of aforementioned status
You do shit because it is normal.
5 star hotels, chartering yachts, all money related shit.
The people you spend time with are all cool and she feels honoured to be a part of it.
You come from a good family and can dangle marriage in front of her like a carrot on a stick without ever solidly promising such dreams.
This is the same as congruence but rather, your environment is congruent with you instead of you being congruent with your environment.
Everything works like clockwork because it is the way it always was and you can ‘manipulate’ her thirst for that status because this is what is normal.
With such normalcy comes:
-Abundance and her fear of loss
-Her addiction to such status
-If you are cool, her complete infatuation as you are genuine
e) Entitlement management
You will need to be able to manage her high expectations, based off the pure fact that she will feel entitled due to her hotness. Like most women, she is aware of her market value and will always leverage it. Therefore, it is paramount to be able to manage such entitlement.
A distinction needs to be made between doing shit that is normal for you and shit you do to appease her. If you appease her, it sure as shit must not look like that.
This ties in with bringing her into your reality, normalcy of status and your frame.
I believe keeping 9s around is an 80/20 of status and game.
Game will compensate for lack of status as time passes by and you bullshitted your way into her pants (what I did).
My direct and indirect experiences from the modelling/production/photography/superyachts industry is that status is the main thing and the illusion of status compensates for game but guys get played. Game is what keeps it solid. Gringuito will attest to this too.
That being said, 95% of guys have status and no game. The ones who have game are the ones who not only have money but power as well as game and power are intertwined.
edit: I voted treatment doesn't matter
If you keep doing you and your value is high enough, moral belief strong enough and your attractiveness constant to increasing, she will just ping off you and be happy.
The difference comes from old-school game with negging and shit like that. Personally, I follow an indirect vocals and direct body language theme, peppered with sexualized convo a bit later on so I haven't observed treatment difference being so major.
It depends on the individual.