[pancakemouse]

(12-19-2018 05:40 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 04:56 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 04:30 AM)Noir Wrote:  

she never had an orgasm before she met me

I laughed through my nose at this bit. Surely you have been around long enough to recognize when experienced girls are pumping you up to make you think they're basically virgins and that you're the best bang they ever had... and now you're in love, completely hooked.

Good post otherwise, enjoy!

This is partly why I dislike this forum; rule of thumb is rule of thumb. Yet posters complain about women and are negative 24/7 that when some good shit appears, you are more paranoid about what might be wrong as opposed to chilling the fuck out and enjoying what it is.

This.

It's the typical red pill coping mentality.

All women are liars bro

What you'll find with these guys is that they attract liars because of the golden axiom of game: YOU ARE WHO YOU ATTRACT.

Nice write-up. Hoping to have the same situation someday.

[tugofpeace]

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If a 9 or 10 is attracted to you it's because your just being yourself and she likes you..... no need to worry about anything else those chicks run the show and get what they want...enjoy the ride

that's were your confidence comes from, they give it to you (and they can take it away)

9 or 10's cold approach...you'll be tested until it may not be worth it and it'll cost ya

I’m willing to bet 99% of the guys who talk to them are running game or spinning lies or being fake one way or another, and honesty is something that they never get. Being genuine with them is huge

[RatInTheWoods]

(11-25-2015 04:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

I have no idea because I've never pulled a 9 to objectively attest to what actually works.

#metoo

Might have hired a few ;-)

[hunger]

This is such an interesting thread. One of the hardest things is to quantify what a 9 even is, and I'm seeing a lot of posts in here struggle with it. I suspect that's because once the basics of appearance are met -- fit, symmetrical face, healthy hair, under 28 -- everything beyond that is subjective. What is a 9 to me isn't a 9 to someone else.

I'm presuming by a 9 you mean those smoking hot women that could or currently monetize their beauty. I've had a few of those. I dated a woman who was in the top 20 of her country's "Top Model" TV show. I've had a few models, actually, and a few more women where when they came into the room everything stopped.

When it comes to "handling" them, though -- it depends on the individual, of course. I moved to California a few years ago. The women here are super hot, but have the worst personalities you can imagine and the sex is bad too. I'm 35 now with close to 200 notches and I just don't have the patience to put up with that shit.

Before that, I grew up in central Europe, and in my experience, the women there are a lot more intelligent and well-rounded, even when they are attractive. That has changed a bit with the Instagram culture and globalization, but you still find a lot of girls who are 8 and above who you can have a conversation with and have housewife skills, want a long-term relationship, and just behave like normal people. That's probably also because I'm not a tourist, though. If you're just here as an American traveling you won't get the best women.

I generally don't "run game" to "build attraction" anymore. You don't find sustainable relationships with that approach. I just meet people and if we click, then we click and it almost doesn't matter what you say or do. Roosh's "Day Bang" approach where he talks about how he had a conversation with a woman about socks and banged her the same night, that's very on point. I tend to also filter for women that are somewhat fun to talk to. It's too much work to try to be entertaining all of the time.

Some of my approach and mindset probably has to do with my background and natural gifts as well: I'm 6'2 and fit (but bald) and make good money with my own company. If I had to rate myself, I'd say that I'm a natural 6.5-7 that has made the most out of what he has. I've had some self-esteem issues in the past but looking back, I've never had trouble meeting and retaining attractive women. That's probably why to me, attractiveness isn't the determining factor anymore when looking for someone to spend time with.

So I guess to summarize, I treat them like normal people and judge them based on their behavior like I would anyone else. And if there's attraction, then eventually something will happen and it'll all feel very natural and inevitable.

[Jozi]

How to handle a 9? Be a 9 yourself.

(Or, pay them money).

[Akwesi]

(12-30-2018 02:05 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

How to handle a 9? Be a 9 yourself.

(Or, pay them money).

Bullshit. What a loser, anti-game mentality. Telling men they can't fuck a bad bitch if they're not a tall, handsome millionaire, while advocating P4P? Get the fuck out of here. You sound like a woman.

[Jozi]

(12-30-2018 05:17 PM)Akwesi Wrote:  

Bullshit. What a loser, anti-game mentality. Telling men they can't fuck a bad bitch if they're not a tall, handsome millionaire, while advocating P4P? Get the fuck out of here. You sound like a woman.

Guess I struck a nerve.

You can fuck a 9 when you're lower than that if you use good game and are at the right place at the right time. But you won't keep her because you can't trick nature forever. We get what we deserve, not more not less.

[Max RNR]

I prefer D) nines and tens are witches, handle with a firm and caring hand.

[tugofpeace]

Sucks having your mindset, Jozi. I have known many 9s in real life and they’re not all shallow materialistic hypergamous pieces of shit. They’re people just like anyone else, and many times are kinder and even more forgiving than less attractive women when it comes to a mans’ looks.

So many of them realize at a young age that men want them for their looks, and in the end a lot of them crave a deep meaningful connection and if that comes from someone who’s not a 6’4” 240lb wealthy chad, many times they’re ok with that. They have nothing to prove. This goes for both male and female 9s.

[quaker13]

(12-30-2018 08:30 PM)Jozi Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 05:17 PM)Akwesi Wrote:  

Bullshit. What a loser, anti-game mentality. Telling men they can't fuck a bad bitch if they're not a tall, handsome millionaire, while advocating P4P? Get the fuck out of here. You sound like a woman.

Guess I struck a nerve.

You can fuck a 9 when you're lower than that if you use good game and are at the right place at the right time. But you won't keep her because you can't trick nature forever. We get what we deserve, not more not less.

A man who isn't in college and dating a 9 when he himself isn't equally attractive,rich or belonging to an insane social circle is indeed biding his time until she leaves. Game is a beautiful thing be we have to be honest with ourselves. Howard Stern would not be fucking and keeping his current wife purely on game if he weren't filthy fucking rich. Prior to Beth Ostorosky fucking with Howard Stern she was fucking with a guy that ran a hedge fund. She's a kept bitch.

I consider myself a high value guy with a smv that is reflective of such. In a scenario where I walk into a room with Howard Stern I will likely steal all his shine especially with a younger crowd, BUT the man is worth $650 million and makes $90 million a year. Compare that to me and he blows me the fuck out the water and I stand pretty much no chance of taking his wife from him. Some of these game charlatans will have a guy who's an objective 5 working at burger king making 35k a year thinking he has an honest to goodness shot at getting and keeping a 9 when that simply isn't the case. That said, if I have game and I'm a bartender and Howard's wife walks into my restaurant after a bad argument I might have a chance at getting the number and even fucking her once or a few times, but she will eventually go back to her husband because the thrill simply isn't worth giving up her payday.

[tugofpeace]

^^you’re comparing a 5 who makes 35k to howard stern.

I think if you were to do that comparison, atleast use an 8 who makes 100-200k and has game/social circle/physique..

[quaker13]

(12-30-2018 11:08 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

^^you’re comparing a 5 who makes 35k to howard stern.

I think if you were to do that comparison, atleast use an 8 who makes 100-200k and has game/social circle/physique..

The comparison is me. A guy who makes 150k a year, who can dress his ass off, is tall and who most women would universally call handsome vs a 6'5 lanky unattractive man that makes 90 mill a year

[Jozi]

(12-30-2018 10:20 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

Sucks having your mindset, Jozi. I have known many 9s in real life and they’re not all shallow materialistic hypergamous pieces of shit. They’re people just like anyone else, and many times are kinder and even more forgiving than less attractive women when it comes to a mans’ looks.

So many of them realize at a young age that men want them for their looks, and in the end a lot of them crave a deep meaningful connection and if that comes from someone who’s not a 6’4” 240lb wealthy chad, many times they’re ok with that. They have nothing to prove. This goes for both male and female 9s.

You knew them as what, one of their beta orbiters?

Also curious what a "9" is to you. So many guys keep telling me how they are slaying 9s and then I see a picture of the chick and it's no more than a 6 or (at best) a 7.

A 9 is someone like Kim Kardashian in her prime. Someone who could post a dozen non photoshopped pics of herself on Instagram and grow to hundreds of thousands of followers. It's the chicks dating movie stars or sucking off billionaires on their yachts.

Either way, the actual rating here doesn't matter as much as the principle as to what I am saying (and as so eloquently said by quaker13 as well). You get what you deserve. Looks is far from everything on a man's rating scale. If you are a 9/10 in looks but is neither rich or famous, you certainly aren't a 9/10 in reality and you will not be dating any 9/10 females except for a few one night stands when the logistics are on your side.

[tugofpeace]

^^Why are you resorting to ad hominem attacks? I’m suddenly a beta orbiter because your argument is shit? Usually incels get mad when they’re faced with logic that is contrarian to their limiting beliefs, is that you?

You classify 9s as women who are similar to kim kardashian (who photoshops the hell out of her pics, wears tons of makeup, etc), and if not her, they are women “dating movie stars or sucking off billionaires on their yachts”. Your entire perception of feminine beauty is beyond disgusting. Your description of what a 9 is sounds like something I’d read on 4chan. You literally sound like you hate women.

Some of my younger sisters’ best friends are 9s in their prime (they are all 19). I’ve known 9s in their late twenties, and many younger than that. None of them are dating billionaires or movie stars. You really need to step outside once in a while and have a dose of reality. Hell, I’ve even been on a date with a 9 a few years back. Didnt have to be a billionaire or a movie star to make it happen.

[Jozi]

(12-31-2018 12:03 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

^^Why are you resorting to ad hominem attacks? I’m suddenly a beta orbiter because your argument is shit? Usually incels get mad when they’re faced with logic that is contrarian to their limiting beliefs, is that you?

You classify 9s as women who are similar to kim kardashian (who photoshops the hell out of her pics, wears tons of makeup, etc), and if not her, they are women “dating movie stars or sucking off billionaires on their yachts”. Your entire perception of feminine beauty is beyond disgusting. Your description of what a 9 is sounds like something I’d read on 4chan. You literally sound like you hate women.

Some of my younger sisters’ best friends are 9s in their prime (they are all 19). I’ve known 9s in their late twenties, and many younger than that. None of them are dating billionaires or movie stars. You really need to step outside once in a while and have a dose of reality. Hell, I’ve even been on a date with a 9 a few years back. Didnt have to be a billionaire or a movie star to make it happen.

Could you please post an example picture of a woman you consider to be a 9? Just so I know we are on the same page. It is hard to argue if we are using different measurement scales.

[tugofpeace]

I dont believe that posting pictures would do any justice here. Any guy trying to argue in my situation could post a picture of a model to try and argue.

What I consider to be a 9 mostly has to do with a girls’ face (assuming her body is thin and evenly proportioned). No blemishes, near perfect facial symmetry, a clear jawline, white teeth, a good hairline, and a killer smile. Not easy to find..and not to be confused with a typical hot girl you’d find at a bar. World class beauty is what I’m talking about.

[the.king]

(11-25-2015 10:53 AM)slubu Wrote:  

MikeCF writes:

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An 8 is 100 times harder than pulling a 6, and 10 times harder than pulling a 7.

To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money - and you'd better be willing to spread both around.

In my experience there is low correlation between female beauty and difficulty of pulling.

I do believe however there is very strong correlation between a woman's perceived value and difficulty of pulling.

Its a market place essentially - (perceived) supply vs (perceived) demand.

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In a city like London, pulling a 7.5 requires very strong game. This is due to many reasons messing up both supply and demand (eg random thots in the 5-6 range having 30k IG followers, the fact that in London you can see a 27 yo banker making £200k per year chasing after 6s etc etc).

In a place like London, 9s really are out of reach for the average man - you will most likely never even get in contact with such women (unless you have high passive value - fame, money, access to elite nightclubs etc). I think statements like ''To pull 9's, you need lots of drugs and money'' are true for places like London.

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On the other hand, when I visited Russia my experience was completely different. I haven't traveled in the depths of Asian Russia but I am sure if you travel to some cities in Siberia (those cities where nobody speaks English and the avg wage is very low) you will find women who are legit 9s - women aged 18-23 who are strikingly, shockingly beautiful - who are very approachable and open.

These girls have completely different expectations about what kind of man is 'good enough' and they are one professional photographer and a set of fake tits away from 1m instagram followers.

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In summary, I believe the difficulty in getting a girl is 100% correlated with her perceived value (she decides what kind of man is 'good enough' based on 1. how she sees herself 2. what she thinks is a high value man within her reach). The correlation between her objective beauty and difficulty to bang is not as strong.

Having said that, it goes without saying that a minimum amount of game is required to be with a hot girl in any continent/any context.

[DonnyGately]

(12-31-2018 12:14 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 12:03 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

You classify 9s as women who are similar to kim kardashian (who photoshops the hell out of her pics, wears tons of makeup, etc), and if not her, they are women “dating movie stars or sucking off billionaires on their yachts”. Your entire perception of feminine beauty is beyond disgusting. Your description of what a 9 is sounds like something I’d read on 4chan. You literally sound like you hate women.

Some of my younger sisters’ best friends are 9s in their prime (they are all 19). I’ve known 9s in their late twenties, and many younger than that. None of them are dating billionaires or movie stars. You really need to step outside once in a while and have a dose of reality. Hell, I’ve even been on a date with a 9 a few years back. Didnt have to be a billionaire or a movie star to make it happen.

Could you please post an example picture of a woman you consider to be a 9? Just so I know we are on the same page. It is hard to argue if we are using different measurement scales.

I started banging a NYC runway model shortly after she turned 21, walked for Calvin Klein, etc. She's done major print ads. It's been 18 months now and I'm the only guy she's banging according to her [who knows but I believe her because of her super busy schedule but don't care]. She's also purple/red pillish, not down with LGBTQ+ politics.

You may or may not think she's a 9, I'm not ever posting her photo but I think 2 of her different physcial attributes are 10s, plus she's smart, submissive, not a partier - see above, but you don't have to take my word for it, IMG is trying to hire her. If you dislike runway looking girls you might not like her but she's not emaciated either.

There are certainly multiple 19-20s I've banged and dated who are in the 9 range as well, just perfectly fit, firm and tits pointing straight up still both petite and 5'10". Many chicks dig older guys who dress great and have their shit together, simple as that. Multiple guys on the forum can testify to my success with 8+ chicks and at least one has met some of them.

Looks wise I'm a tall 7.5 with a 10 smile, income I'm a 9, fame a zero which is how I like it. I have intermediate game.

I've had chances with 2 21-yr old girls I'd rate btw 9.5 and 10 but blew it because my game wasn't tight enough back then. Multiple dates but no close.

This notion you have to use drugs of have billions or drop Chanel handbags on these girls couldn't be further from the truth. You do sound like a bitter incel, whether you are or not, doesn't matter. This goes for girls in Manhattan, other major cities, college towns and suburban USA from personal experience.