[PapayaTapper]

(11-21-2015 06:06 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

It's a bit strange reading about Americans complaining about America. I have never been there but here in Africa it is a lot of people's dream to live in America. The biggest gang out here is called, the Americans. Maybe it is just the movies that make it seem so glamorous.

With America, like all realities, there are pros and cons. Each of our perspectives about the "macro" view is unavoidably skewed by the color of our "micro" day to day.

While there are unarguably lots of fucked things up about the US of A there is a lot that's pretty damned awesome too. But that's my own experience colored by my own life's lens. If I didn't live where I live and have what I have my overall view would undoubtedly be different

[El Chinito loco]

(11-21-2015 06:06 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

It's a bit strange reading about Americans complaining about America. I have never been there but here in Africa it is a lot of people's dream to live in America. The biggest gang out here is called, the Americans. Maybe it is just the movies that make it seem so glamorous.

Here i'll break it down for people who have never visited or lived in America before.

Pros:

-Clean air/water and decent infrastructure for most medium to large cities.
-Relatively safe in most parts of the country if you avoid well publicized blighted areas.
-Things open on time and works as it should for the most part when it comes to daily service and business.
-Beautiful natural environment in many parts of the U.S. Easily rivals the most beautiful places in the world. Most Americans take this for granted. Europeans also don't fully comprehend how beautiful and wild parts of America's natural environment really is.
-If you're not lazy, stupid, or a criminal you can easily get to middle class from poverty. This part of the American dream is true for the most part.
-Cheap and quality products are widely available.

Cons:

-Litigious culture
-police state authoritarian interpretation and implementation of the law.
-overtaxation with little actual benefit for the regular person
-Mostly obese and mentally ill women everywhere.
-Sausage fest in most American cities.
-Crude culture with lots of social posturing
-Low IQ politics and reasoning is the norm
-Invasive and dumbed down pop culture and media personalities are celebrated in the mainstream.
-Mindless consumerism and debtor's mentality


Compared to just about anywhere in Africa it's heaven. However we're talking apples to oranges here.

[iknowexactly]

(11-21-2015 07:41 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 06:06 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

It's a bit strange reading about Americans complaining about America. I have never been there but here in Africa it is a lot of people's dream to live in America. The biggest gang out here is called, the Americans. Maybe it is just the movies that make it seem so glamorous.

Here i'll break it down for people who have never visited or lived in America before.

Pros:

I'll add as a former state bureaucrat:

Most low and mid-level government officials are, get this, honest and try to do their jobs.

Where I worked in oversight of hospitals we actually did what we were supposed to do.

If a citizen had a parent in the hospital and the person was going to be prematurely released, and the citizen called my department up, one of us would call that person up and get their story and then contact someone in charge of the patient and try to insure that things turned out OK for everyone.

And if I messed up in my job and someone complained, generally speaking someone will look at that. It would take a pattern before something happened, but you can't get away with stuff forever at the State level in progressive ( I know you love that word) states-- Minnesota, NY, California.

Also I know some people have had bad luck with cops, but in NY and California
I've also never been threatened, bullied, hit up for a bribe, or even been treated rudely by a cop despite being a habitual speeder and shitty driver.

[RaccoonFace]

Where would you guys rank Obama in a list of post-WWII presidents?

[RawGod]

"Obama was successful in killing Bin Laden".

How much work does that take for a president?

THE EFFORT
"Hey, let's chase after Bin Laden a bit harder. Would be great for my popularity." <makes phone call>

THE OBSTACLE
"Mr President, all of our special forces resources are tied up for the next 6 months"

THE BIG CALL
"Well, I really want to get Bin Laden, so just do it, cut short their leave if necessary." <lights up cigarette>

That's probably the maximum effort he needed to put in. I mean, what else? Was he fighting for his political life in order to get it done? Was he spending late nights over tactical maps of Kandahar?

[storm]

(11-20-2015 04:10 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

The gist is: Obama told the Syrians he had their back if chemical weapons attacks occurred. They did and the Syrians were standing by for help; eager for US intervention that was promised if the "Red Line" was crossed. Obama, being the limp dick that he is, didn't do shit and ISIS came into Syria and took advantage of the situation and all the bitterness caused by Obama's screw up.

The chemical weapons were an american false flag. Emails exposing it were leaked at an inopportune time and Washington backed away from the original plan.

[All or Nothing]

Let's be real here, Obama is a racist who has no regard for the rule of law.

He has trampled upon the laws in the US and you can see the conservative reactionaries are disregarding the litigious functions of this society in reaction to Barack Obama's approach to the US government.

He forced the ACA (Obamacare) down the American people's throats through a twist of law and he won't even enforce immigration laws. He totally disregards the rules set in place in order to push his own agenda.

He is successfully unravelling the US government, so yes he is a terrible president.

Here are two examples between today and yesterday:

Quote:

The Department of Labor says its so-called fiduciary rule will make financial advisers act in the best interests of clients. What Labor doesn’t say is that the rule carries such enormous potential legal liability and demands such a high standard of care that many advisers will shun non-affluent accounts. Middle-income investors may be forced to look elsewhere for financial advice even as Team Obama is enabling a raft of new government-run competitors for retirement savings. This is no coincidence.

Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/they-want-yo...re-comment

Quote:

While the Treasury’s proposal is a shot at Pfizer and Allergan, this unilateral action will hurt other companies as well. If the rules can be changed arbitrarily and applied retroactively, how can any U.S. company engage in the long-term investment planning necessary to compete? The new “rules” show that there are no set rules. Political dogma is the only rule.

Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/treasury-is-...1459983997

The man is literally just making up shit as he goes to infiltrate various aspects of American society.

[Krivo]

Obama's been a disappointment, but Dubya was far worse. 9/11, Iraq War, "don't tax but spend" ran the debt over ten trillion.

[Sidney Crosby]

As much as people complain about Obama, I really doubt McCain (loser who got captured) or Romney (mormon) would have done any better.

If Obama wasn't President for the last 8 years it would have been Hillary instead of him anyway.

[It_is_my_time]

(04-07-2016 10:30 PM)Krivo Wrote:  

Obama's been a disappointment, but Dubya was far worse. 9/11, Iraq War, "don't tax but spend" ran the debt over ten trillion.

You are wrong on Bush. Bush raised the national debt around $4.5 trillion. Obama has raised the national debt by about $11 trillion.

And raising taxes doesn't necessarily raise tax revenue. Often raising taxes lowers tax revenue. What is more 20% of $1,000,000 or 25% of $500,000?

[GlobalMan]

This is the first time I've liked something he's said.

He was getting heat from SJWs who think his SCOTUS pick isn't "diverse" enough (he has a penis, and is the "wrong" color)

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/0...an-skokie/

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Catering to SJW always backfires. Always. It's like negotiating with terrorists.

[Monty_Brogan]

(04-07-2016 11:31 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

As much as people complain about Obama, I really doubt McCain (loser who got captured)...

Are you out of your fucking mind? He served in Vietnam. Granted, he comes from a long line of very high ranking military men, but with his pedigree, I'm sure he could've found an out to being in the shit.

And he's raised very humble children, but he's far from a 'loser who got captured.' One of his children was in my brothers Infantry battalion -around 2008-2010. Here's a kid who's father is one of the most powerful men in the country and he ENLISTS in the Marine Corps Infantry. Which most people from his background wouldn't even think about doing. Especially when the wars were still going on in that time frame.

Show some respect.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

McCain is a disgusting warmonger who has supported:

- Invasion of Iraq
- Intervention in Libya (going so far as to personally visit the Libyan rebels and suggest sending ground troops to topple Gadaffi faster)
- Intervention in Syria (wants an invasion to topple Assad, no-fly zone and arming "moderate rebels")
- Intervention in Ukraine (arm the puppet Ukrainian government)
- Bombing Iran, supporting Israel if they do it themselves

Here he is (at 1:35-1:50) outraged that Obama refused to directly arm ISIS:

This is not to even mention that funding by defense companies and trigger-happy behavior around Russia and China digging for WW3 form the core of his political career.

These insane ideas would be at least somewhat understandable coming from a neocon blowhard who has never had anything to do with the military - but when pushed by a man who personally knows the death and ugliness of war they become even more hypocritical.

He is absolutely shameless and deserves no respect.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

Here he is (at 1:35-1:50) outraged that Obama refused to directly arm ISIS:

Do you mean arms given to fighters who are no better than mercenaries and then defect or sell their weapons to ISIS? I would call that indirect.

[Sidney Crosby]

(04-08-2016 05:32 AM)Monty_Brogan Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 11:31 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

As much as people complain about Obama, I really doubt McCain (loser who got captured)...

Are you out of your fucking mind? He served in Vietnam. Granted, he comes from a long line of very high ranking military men, but with his pedigree, I'm sure he could've found an out to being in the shit.

And he's raised very humble children, but he's far from a 'loser who got captured.' One of his children was in my brothers Infantry battalion -around 2008-2010. Here's a kid who's father is one of the most powerful men in the country and he ENLISTS in the Marine Corps Infantry. Which most people from his background wouldn't even think about doing. Especially when the wars were still going on in that time frame.

Show some respect.

[rudebwoy]

Obama is carrying forward the policies that Bush and Clinton put in place.

The powers that be want Hilary in power, that will be a complete mess.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

^The faces change but the Game stays the same

[eskimobobseal]

Hmm, let's take a look at his body of work:

Signed the sovereignty-destroying "Obamatrade" Trans-Pacific Partnership which will ship out hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Armed and funded ISIS - source

Armed and funded Mexican drug cartels - Source

Is a perpetual liar - source who lied about Obamacare (keeping your doctor), lied about lowering taxes, lied about ending U.S. interventionism in the Middle East, lied about ending the surveillance state, lied about being influenced by corporate lobbyists and special interests.

On top of all that, he's anti-gun, anti-constitution, pro-militant LGBTQXYZ and a cuck. So, yes - I'd classify him as bad.

[WanderingSoul]

(04-08-2016 03:42 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

This is the first time I've liked something he's said.

He was getting heat from SJWs who think his SCOTUS pick isn't "diverse" enough (he has a penis, and is the "wrong" color)

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/0...an-skokie/

2 things.

1. If a white president ever said the same thing, there would be outrage and talk of impeachment.

2. Typical democrat garbage, "I've appointed more blacks, gays, Hispanics, genderfags, etc. than anyone!"

Yet what he should be saying (and doing) is,

"I've appointed the absolutely best and most highly qualified people for these positions possible."

[Latinopan]

Obama tells Trump that running the USA is not easy and is taught to be president.

You know, the community organizer is telling the multi billions dollars CEO running multi national corporation that being president is hard thing to do.

[Mentavious]

I think people read into things however they want to whether they are good or bad. It's all a shit show so being a republican or democrat doesn't matter.

I'm more than willing to give Donald Trump a chance just because we've never seen anyone like him. If the tentacles of the Pharms, oil business, Wall Street get ahold of him then it's only four years of BS. I'm sure throughout time, many Americans have been saying that things weren't as good as they use to be. From the 1760s all the way until now so it won't stop unless Jesus himself comes down to fix things.

[Mr. Accuride]

(04-06-2016 06:55 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

Where would you guys rank Obama in a list of post-WWII presidents?

Pretty much on the bottom with W and arguably Carter.

Obama is not the worst president in US History, but he is definitely competing with W for the worst since WWII. He likes to say that he is on the right side of history, but I suspect that twenty years from now he will not be looked upon favorably.

Literally the only positives of his presidency that I can think of off the top of my head are his position on net neutrality, the initiation of detente with Cuba (which he then FUBARed) and the attempted initiation of detente through the Iranian virtual embassy and Alan Eyre, but then he FUBARed that with the nuclear deal. Otherwise he has been an extension of the worst aspects of W's presidency with an SJW slant.

[DarkTriad]

(11-20-2015 09:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 02:46 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Obama as president is a 180° degree turn from his book The Audacity of Hope, in which he struck me as an intelligent but most of all benevolent person willing to stand up for principles.

I can't prove it, but I truly think any president, no matter how idealistic he is, is given "the talk" within the first week by some very powerful people. I don't think the buck stops at the president. I think there are powerful agencies he has to satiate, and if he doesn't, he'll get the JFK treatment. These agencies may be some combination of the Israeli lobby, the military-industrial complex, big Oil, the global banks, trade lobbyists, and big pharma. Someone like Ron Paul would never be elected, and if he did, he'd either quickly moderate his policies or something would "happen" to him. The difficult job of a president is to navigate between his true values and those with the true power and money calling the shots behind the scenes.

That's absurd.

It happens LONG before they get into office. You can't get into office unless you've been playing ball with the people with the juice for a long time.

[bigrich]

My biggest issue with Obama is his hostility towards men. Just look his use of Title IX, his feminization of the military, his hostility towards black men and the overall feminist agenda of his administration.

FATCA is also one of worst policies.