[Mostar]

Hey guys,

I am very new into this forum and I just want to introduce myself quick. At the moment (1,5 Months now) I am working in Cape Town and exposed to so much good looking women. I am also a good looking guy (maybe a 7, on good days an 8), working as a project manager, laid here and then an 8 or a 9 but got my standards and do not hit everything. Last week I was alone in a bar and suddenly the barkeeper came to me with a shot and pointed at an 7 and said that she was spending me the drink (I am just explaining, that you maybe get a picture of me). The end of the story, my finishing was bad. I gave her my number and didn't take hers (rookie mistake!?) and she didn't write me yet.

Now my problem: I am a very social person and also quite confident. I don't got a problem to go to a party completely alone and to meet someone there, but in the most cases I just meet some mates, because of same interests and it is easier for me to speak to potential buddys. When it comes to girls, then I have the feeling that they already assume that I just want the one thing from them and they act in the most cases very defensive dismissing and through all this bullshit experience in the recent past I have the feeling that my confidence is gone when it comes to beautiful girls. I also have to say that I respect women a lot since my mother and my sister had a huge influence on my mindset.

My questions now:
How can I improve? What I am doing wrong? I want to become a a very good player in this game and I believe that I have the material for it but I also have to say that I don't want to lie and present something I am not. And don't get me wrong, I get laid, also good girls but want to improve now and to aim the top.

I apologize myself if I got this forum thing wrong and if I shouldn't post something like this because its very much orientated at my person, but its my first forum post ever. So just correct me if I did something wrong. In addition to that I would like to mention, that I am raised in a not english speaking country, so my grammar is also not the optimum.

Thanks upfront!

[Saweeep]

Did you put that through Google translate??

[Mostar]

Is it that bad? Sorry man, i am very hungovered and just wrote my thoughts down. Long story short, I am in a phase where I got a lack in confidence.

[Cheetah]

^^^^

The English is not that bad.

Why do you have bad confidence? Is it just regarding girls?

[Mostar]

I usually have a good confidence. Also with girls where I think that they are just a 5-7. But when it comes to beautiful girls I just start to think about my approach although I had good girls in the past..

[Cheetah]

^^^^

So you've had beautiful girls? That means you can get more.

Beautiful girls aren't necessarily harder than less beautiful girls. Beautiful girls normally know the drill and don't need to improve their self confidence by being unnecessarily bitchy. Beautiful girls are also less prone to be pumped and dumped by you (which is an advantage when gaming) so game them the same way as less beautiful girls.

What do you mean by that you respect women a lot? You do still look at women as sexual objects provided that they are good looking?

[brob]

It sounds like your problem is sometimes escalating things to the next level. It sounds like sometimes you wait for the girl to escalate and so this is causing you to miss opportunities.

Just assume the girl wants to eventually have sex with you and your job is to keep taking things to the next level until you bang her or until you hit a ceiling, in which case you get her number, run some text game, and then set up a date.

[Mostar]

Upfront I want to thank you, that you taking your time to help me with my concerns.

Exactly, I want more 8-9´s. And I am also aiming just at this region but it is quite a hard game. Especially now in a new surrounding etc.

I heard that it is kind of a strategy to show the woman that she isn't that high valued as she thinks she is. For that a guy needs to tease the girl a bit and say something just to make her feel not that special. For this kind of game I just have to much respect for a person that i don't know. This was my point when i am saying that I have to much respect. I was never winning through downgrading someone and putting myself in a better light.

[Cheetah]

Firstly, read the second post in the following thread by VincentVinturi.

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Secondly, don't make it more complicated than it is. Game the beautiful girls exactly the same as the less beautiful girls.

You can make the girl seem special (she wants to be desired but don't overdo it) but make sure that you take the lead. Again, if you have a winning formula for not so beautiful girls just use the same for beautiful girls.

[brob]

You don't have to put them down or anything. Just don't over value them and shower them with praise and affection simply because they won a biological lottery and turned out to be hot.

Playful teasing and joking around are good to show that you're not intimidated by her looks and you're not putting her on a pedestal. You don't have to do or say anything disrespectful. If she doesn't like you, who cares? You've got plenty of other options. This is the mindset to have.

[Mostar]

But 5-7´s got a different perception and reaction towards me than a 8-9 and I can see that and I don't know why but I lose my motivation quick when it seems to be that a girl is not that interested in me. On the other hand I also know that hotties get approached like 10 times an evening and maybe are just annoyed of the situation.

But thanks for the advises Guys. If you got more, let me know.

[GlobalMan]

(11-15-2015 03:20 PM)Mostar Wrote:  

But thanks for the advises Guys. If you got more, let me know.

Have you read the book Bang by Roosh? If not then you should start there.

[Cheetah]

(11-15-2015 03:20 PM)Mostar Wrote:  

But 5-7´s got a different perception and reaction towards me than a 8-9 and I can see that and I don't know why but I lose my motivation quick when it seems to be that a girl is not that interested in me. On the other hand I also know that hotties get approached like 10 times an evening and maybe are just annoyed of the situation.

But thanks for the advises Guys. If you got more, let me know.

But you are saying that you are acting differently towards beautiful girls, maybe that's why their reactions are different as well?

Beautiful girls don't necessarily get approached more often.

[Mostar]

(11-15-2015 03:31 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 03:20 PM)Mostar Wrote:  

But thanks for the advises Guys. If you got more, let me know.

Have you read the book Bang by Roosh? If not then you should start there.

Not yet. But I will have a look it.

[Mostar]

(11-15-2015 03:45 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 03:20 PM)Mostar Wrote:  

But 5-7´s got a different perception and reaction towards me than a 8-9 and I can see that and I don't know why but I lose my motivation quick when it seems to be that a girl is not that interested in me. On the other hand I also know that hotties get approached like 10 times an evening and maybe are just annoyed of the situation.

But thanks for the advises Guys. If you got more, let me know.

But you are saying that you are acting differently towards beautiful girls, maybe that's why their reactions are different as well?

Beautiful girls don't necessarily get approached more often.

Of course I tried it to do the same with beautiful girls, but the reactions weren't the same and that's the reason why I distinguish now. But maybe I am also just thinking too much.

[Cheetah]

When you are dating a beautiful girl, are you dating up?

What did you do when you got your former beautiful girls?

[Mostar]

(11-16-2015 06:41 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

When you are dating a beautiful girl, are you dating up?

What did you do when you got your former beautiful girls?

I banged a lot last semester because it was an exchange semester and I was kind of an alpha male because I organized a lot of things and kept the group always together. But this is exactly the point. I am just reading Bang by roosh and I am very aware of that I am not an alpha male when it comes to normal life situations. For an alpha male I am too kind and to nice to everybody I am seeing the first time. How can I study to become an alpha male and represent on daily basis? The idea to go into a bar and to show everybody that I am the alpha male is quite difficult for me. Maybe you got suggestions in this direction..

[Comte De St. Germain]

The first issue I'm seeing right now is your mindset. As I'm busy at the moment I'll get back to you with some more advice, but first and foremost you shouldn't put yourself down when it comes to women. Even though you rate yourself highly your mindset still isn't one where you think of yourself as the prize.

At the end of the day, they are still FEMALE. As long as they have that estrogen pumping through them the same tactics need to be used just more confidently and with more aloofness as they progress up the beauty scale. Game is a more of a what not to do than a set guideline of tactics so avoid:
-Excessive questions
-Compliments(unless teasing and off handed sparingly)
-"Beta" body posture. Head up, eye contact, leaning back a bit to look aloof, etc etc(eye contact isn't staring at them in the eyes for a long time but keeping your eyes connected to create a mood and breaking off occasionally so she chases you with her eyes). The windows of her soul the eyes never lie.
-not having Wit and a smirk on your face

[Mostar]

(11-16-2015 08:37 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

The first issue I'm seeing right now is your mindset. As I'm busy at the moment I'll get back to you with some more advice, but first and foremost you shouldn't put yourself down when it comes to women. Even though you rate yourself highly your mindset still isn't one where you think of yourself as the prize.

At the end of the day, they are still FEMALE. As long as they have that estrogen pumping through them the same tactics need to be used just more confidently and with more aloofness as they progress up the beauty scale. Game is a more of a what not to do than a set guideline of tactics so avoid:
-Excessive questions
-Compliments(unless teasing and off handed sparingly)
-"Beta" body posture. Head up, eye contact, leaning back a bit to look aloof, etc etc(eye contact isn't staring at them in the eyes for a long time but keeping your eyes connected to create a mood and breaking off occasionally so she chases you with her eyes). The windows of her soul the eyes never lie.
-not having Wit and a smirk on your face

You are right. I rate myself highly because my surrounding (my friends and family) are also doing it regarding myself + My last 2 girlfriends are still crazy about me. I got quality and I am also aware of that but I don't think that it is possible to illustrate these qualities in a club or bar and in such a short time. And don't get me wrong when I praise myself, I just want to explain my mindset a bit better.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(11-16-2015 08:43 AM)Mostar Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:37 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

The first issue I'm seeing right now is your mindset. As I'm busy at the moment I'll get back to you with some more advice, but first and foremost you shouldn't put yourself down when it comes to women. Even though you rate yourself highly your mindset still isn't one where you think of yourself as the prize.

At the end of the day, they are still FEMALE. As long as they have that estrogen pumping through them the same tactics need to be used just more confidently and with more aloofness as they progress up the beauty scale. Game is a more of a what not to do than a set guideline of tactics so avoid:
-Excessive questions
-Compliments(unless teasing and off handed sparingly)
-"Beta" body posture. Head up, eye contact, leaning back a bit to look aloof, etc etc(eye contact isn't staring at them in the eyes for a long time but keeping your eyes connected to create a mood and breaking off occasionally so she chases you with her eyes). The windows of her soul the eyes never lie.
-not having Wit and a smirk on your face

You are right. I rate myself highly because my surrounding (my friends and family) are also doing it regarding myself + My last 2 girlfriends are still crazy about me. I got quality and I am also aware of that but I don't think that it is possible to illustrate these qualities in a club or bar and in such a short time. And don't get me wrong when I praise myself, I just want to explain my mindset a bit better.

Well what I stated can help you. Thing is night life is all subliminal messages you show more by how you dress, how you interact with your surroundings, and how you come across within the first minutes of conversation.

I wouldn't call it defeatism but lack of experience in this regard for you but when you're in the game long enough you can get a fairly good profile of a person within 5 minutes of conversation, and fact of the matter is that girl's due to their immense social experience are instinctively prone to come to those conclusions as well.

It's not so much that they are smart it's just their ability to screen for a suitable mate brought upon by years of male thirst. Here's a good starting guide for the basics:

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