[Gmac]

They need serious medical help. These people are sick and this kind of thinking must be ended.

[iknowexactly]

(09-20-2016 05:58 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 12:58 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 07:00 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

I rewatched the bit when she suddenly screams at him to 'BE QUIET!!!' when he calmly tries to defend myself about ten or twenty times before even seeing the rest of her tantrum.

I just couldn't believe the professor's reaction was to actually be quiet and listen and like a good little boy. I was stunned how he actually thought it was ok to be spoken to like that, by a student!

He's a a medical doctor who's worked in hospices and is widely respected as a leading intellectual in the whole nation, national academies etc.

He's MORE than merely "a sane man." He's a real special snowflake, not a fake one.

If you see a spoiled child abusing his parents, do you not hold the parents accountable for putting up with such behavior?

So a leading medical researcher is responsible for Yale's admission of incompetents? And now you disapprove of him.

In the Great Leap Forward of China, it was hard to get medical care because all the stupid people persecuted the smart people. I don't think it's a good idea to start falling into condoning that.

I think you might be looking at a non-optimal point of intervention to prevent this kind of travesty.

As I argued, he's true elite, at the the national or world researcher level.

You don't throw a multi-million dollar thoroughbred, arrived at with great expense and care, in with a bunch of rough aggressive barnyard animals, or load up a Ferrari with sheetrock.

[Leonard D Neubache]

There's a real argument to be made that even if you took away rampant 3rd world immigration, overblown welfare spending etc that the West would still be fucked based on the quality of the university students it turns out (or lack of quality rather).

My wife is a nurse and she has a window into this world. We are currently in a situation where lazy, feckless nurses are charged with teaching the next generation of lazier, MORE feckless nurses. This is costing lives every day but because most people don't dig into the circumstances of these deaths they're just swept under the rug as "medical complications".

I've described this as having a first world health system staffed by second world morons who will soon be replaced by third world layabouts. I have greater faith in the STEM fields largely because they're male dominated for now, but this kind of "every day is friday afternoon" sickness that the west is suffering from may prove to be far more destructive than any migrant invasion or currency crisis.

[Delta]

(10-23-2016 10:53 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

You don't throw a multi-million dollar thoroughbred, arrived at with great expense and care, in with a bunch of rough aggressive barnyard animals, or load up a Ferrari with sheetrock.

I agree with that point, however, this guy was not thrown into anything. He voluntarily chose a job that involves interacting with a bunch of spoiled twats, and voluntarily let himself be abused while in a position of authority, when it was obvious that he needed to be assertive.

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the fact that the guy makes positive contributions to society via his medical research. But my point holds; his coddling of unreasonable, mean-spirited fuckwits, in a position that he chose voluntarily, contributes to the epidemic of inmates running the asylum on college campuses.

[polymath]

(10-24-2016 01:23 AM)Delta Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 10:53 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

You don't throw a multi-million dollar thoroughbred, arrived at with great expense and care, in with a bunch of rough aggressive barnyard animals, or load up a Ferrari with sheetrock.

I agree with that point, however, this guy was not thrown into anything. He voluntarily chose a job that involves interacting with a bunch of spoiled twats, and voluntarily let himself be abused while in a position of authority, when it was obvious that he needed to be assertive.

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the fact that the guy makes positive contributions to society via his medical research. But my point holds; his coddling of unreasonable, mean-spirited fuckwits, in a position that he chose voluntarily, contributes to the epidemic of inmates running the asylum on college campuses.

He chose to contribute to Yale's undergraduate body with his time and attention. More professors at top institutions should do that. When I went to school, one of the dorms was overseen by a grumpy feminist who would use Title IX to fight any form of free expression she didn't like...down to the artwork on people's dorm room doors. This guy, on the other hand, was willing to engage his critics politely. I think that's commendable in many ways.

I don't blame him for the behavior of this Jerelyn Luther fuckwit.

[debeguiled]

Yale doubles down.

They have a yearly prize for students who enhance race relations:

http://news.yale.edu/2017/05/19/outstand...-class-day

Quote:

The Nakanishi Prize
Awarded to two graduating seniors who, while maintaining high academic achievement, have provided exemplary leadership in enhancing race and/or ethnic relations at Yale College.

Alexandra Zina Barlowe of Branford College

Abdul-Razak Mohammed Zachariah of Timothy Dwight College

If you don't recognize the names, maybe the faces:



And if not the faces, maybe the Youtube clips:

Full story here:


http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/235844/y...ed-faculty

This is not fair to the shrieking girl.

Excellent new summary of situation:

[Conscious Pirate]

(05-27-2017 05:27 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Quote:

The Nakanishi Prize
Awarded to two graduating seniors who, while maintaining high academic achievement, have provided exemplary leadership in enhancing race and/or ethnic relations at Yale College.

This is what race baiting is called when you're not white & male & don't like cock.

[TigOlBitties]

"...have provided exemplary leadership in enhancing perpetual victim and/or snowflake relations at Yale College."

[Kabal]

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Some say these folks are let in to places like Yale on affirmative action, then can't compete because they're a notch below the rest of students in terms of intelligence. This leads to depression and lashing out. They get together with fellow affirmative action students and lament together and come to the conclusion for their struggles - racism! White privledge!

They'd probably do well at a very good university but not at Yale.

Roflsnacks.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it mildy. Using Duke's figures, for means and standard deviations, the average white Duke freshman had higher M+V SAT scores than 91% of black Duke freshmen. The average Asian Duke freshman had higher scores than 96% of black Duke freshmen.

Schools with higher average SAT scores with similar student body demographics will only have more drastic gaps between the cognitive abilities of their non-Asian minorities, and whites and Asians.

Previously in another thread, I showed that Yale may have more black students than would be expected even if we pretended all racial groups were equally intelligent.

[TigerMandingo]

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Some say these folks are let in to places like Yale on affirmative action, then can't compete because they're a notch below the rest of students in terms of intelligence. This leads to depression and lashing out. They get together with fellow affirmative action students and lament together and come to the conclusion for their struggles - racism! White privledge!

They'd probably do well at a very good university but not at Yale.

This is truth right here. I remember back in my college days I took Calculus 2. Not super high-level math sure, but challenging enough for the average person. Needless to say, I was seriously struggling with the material. And not for lack of trying, since I was studying a good amount. Later on, I took an IQ test and turns out mine is about 105, dead average. No wonder shit like physics and math always gave me trouble, since you probably needs at least 120 IQ to really excel at it. There were dudes in that class miles ahead of me, they just instantly understood the material and aced all the tests.

Nowadays, I kinda "know my place".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-28-2017 07:19 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 07:08 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Some say these folks are let in to places like Yale on affirmative action, then can't compete because they're a notch below the rest of students in terms of intelligence. This leads to depression and lashing out. They get together with fellow affirmative action students and lament together and come to the conclusion for their struggles - racism! White privledge!

They'd probably do well at a very good university but not at Yale.

This is truth right here. I remember back in my college days I took Calculus 2. Not super high-level math sure, but challenging enough for the average person. Needless to say, I was seriously struggling with the material. And not for lack of trying, since I was studying a good amount. Later on, I took an IQ test and turns out mine is about 105, dead average. No wonder shit like physics and math always gave me trouble, since you probably needs at least 120 IQ to really excel at it. There were dudes in that class miles ahead of me, they just instantly understood the material and aced all the tests.

Nowadays, I kinda "know my place".

They did a big test down in South Africa and found black students there to be in the 85 IQ range, which meant that the average population was indeed roughly around 70 making most of the blacks there officially retarded in the Western scale.

Of course IQs to some degree depend on a variety of other factors, so those people certainly had plenty of other things going for them and were thus able to operate well enough in our society.

American blacks especially in college are likely in the 100+ range in universities like Harvard, since US blacks are smarter than South Africans. Also there are certainly quite a few geniuses there, but the ones you see in the vid are certainly not among them. Still - you gotta realize that most folk at those colleges are in the 120-160 range with a huge meritocratic proportion being 140+.

I would be fully for the stop of adding or substracting SAT points based on your ethnicity. Jared Taylor who studied in Yale said once that back in the 1970s and 1980s usually when you met one of the few black students, then you naturally assumed that he was super-smart. Also many other white guys thought if a black man was there, then he was likely born with excessive abilities and a powerful resolve, because he had to break through his disadvantageous circumstances and be accepted at Yale. And in most instances this assessment was correct.

Nowadays when they are giving them 200 SAT points extra, then you have this going on. IQ distribution is such that Jews and Asians will be overrepresented over Whites and Blacks and Latinos would be lower there (though Latinos are sometimes close to 100%, so the term is a bit misleading).

As for IQ and the ability to "ace tests".

I had a friend who was in the 150+ range (done with a test that maxed out at 155 - most others now are being done with open-end tests) and he had to repeat class due to his dyslexia and the fact that he was a lazy bum. Mathematics came easily to him - he could derive complex mathematical formulas in his head.

I was tested in the 140+ range, but could not do this. Of course I easily was the best in class since I studied a lot back then and was a muscular nerd (with no pussy though). Later I also found out that another female classmate was in the 140 range as well. We all did not know because her achievements were so utterly unimpressive. Also much later in life I found out that women usually require way higher IQ and effort to operate at levels that men with lower IQs can easily master. I also met actual geniuses and the difference between 140 and a genius is staggering, though in some cases the genius was a semi-autistic woman with zero social skills. Her ability to calculate high mathematical formulas simply had no bearing on everyday life. Others used their gifts better like this one guy who made 500.000$ doing odd-ball projects for corporations in his mid 20s. The most successful friend I have has an IQ in the high 120s and his mind was in constant heavy utilization with no 2 months left slacking off (he essentially has the same memory capacity as when he was 16). His social skills are off-the-charts and he will probably be one of the youngest VPs and potentially CEOs in the corporate pharma history.

In life there is always someone smarter, but IQs should not limit one too much in terms of what you can achieve. There are famous millionaire celebrities now with IQs at 85 or lower and there are a few homeless people in the 140+ range.

Still - meritocracy should reign supreme at universities and not affirmative action. I would only allow black students to get a leg up when their credentials are equal to a white, Asian or Jewish one. Then they would get the advantage in my book, but not when the gap is 200 SAT points.

[debeguiled]

Being high I.Q. does not automatically translate into high wisdom. If you have fifty minutes to spare, check out this doc on the highest I.Q. guy in the world.

Check out his life choices.

[sagely scholar]

(05-29-2017 11:06 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

the highest I.Q. [...] in the world.

That's simply not a valid construct, IQ being a statistical measure that simply cannot be validated/made sense of at the extreme ends of its imaginary spectrum.

[debeguiled]

(05-29-2017 11:11 AM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:06 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

the highest I.Q. [...] in the world.

That's simply not a valid construct, IQ being a statistical measure that simply cannot be validated/made sense of at the extreme ends of its imaginary spectrum.

Easy there. That is not the point. Would it make you happy if instead I referred to him as one super super duper smart bro dude?

Done then.

Super super Duper smart bro dudes aren't necessarily wise guys.

[sagely scholar]

(05-29-2017 12:08 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:11 AM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:06 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

the highest I.Q. [...] in the world.

That's simply not a valid construct, IQ being a statistical measure that simply cannot be validated/made sense of at the extreme ends of its imaginary spectrum.

Easy there. That is not the point. Would it make you happy if instead I referred to him as one super super duper smart bro dude? Done.

Yes. Though. How do you know he is super smart given his [allegedly - didn't watch the video] shitty life choices?

[debeguiled]

(05-29-2017 12:10 PM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 12:08 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:11 AM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:06 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

the highest I.Q. [...] in the world.

That's simply not a valid construct, IQ being a statistical measure that simply cannot be validated/made sense of at the extreme ends of its imaginary spectrum.

Easy there. That is not the point. Would it make you happy if instead I referred to him as one super super duper smart bro dude? Done.

Yes. Though. How do you know he is super smart given his [allegedly - didn't watch the video] shitty life choices?

[sagely scholar]

^^^

Are you saying you are like a tumbleweed with no roots in the ground i.e. easily swayed by I.Q. bullshit?

[Kabal]

(05-29-2017 11:06 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Being high I.Q. does not automatically translate into high wisdom. If you have fifty minutes to spare, check out this doc on the highest I.Q. guy in the world.

Check out his life choices.

First, IQ tests can be noisy after 145-160 or so. However, that means they cover 99.73% to 99.99%+ (two-sided, to account for IQs of 55-40 or less) of the population quite well. If I have a 6'6" tape measure, I can measure almost all people in a population quite accurately and consistently, but the measurement noise increases as a function of a subject being increasingly taller than 6'6".

Secondly, people who take IQ tests as adults tend to be self-selected to be a bit peculiar for various reasons (many times it's at the encouragement of psychologists to help figure out what kind of crazy they are). Most people don't take IQ tests ever, much less as adults.

However, people take standardized tests like the SAT and GRE, which correlate well with IQ, so we can proxy from that.

For instance, Terrence Tao or Elon Musk have never taken an IQ test to my knowledge, but even from their achievements aside, we know their IQ must be quite high since Tao got 760 on the SAT math as a 9 year-old, and Elon Musk got into the Physics PhD program at Stanford (so almost certainly hit the Quant ceiling on the GRE).

That Rosner guy almost surely does not have the highest IQ in the world.

Thirdly, high-IQ people (or just other people in general of any IQ) may not care for our arbitrary evaluations of their life choices. Tao could definitely make more money (a lot more money) doing things other than academic mathematics, but he likes what he does.

(05-29-2017 01:49 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I had a friend who was in the 150+ range (done with a test that maxed out at 155 - most others now are being done with open-end tests) and he had to repeat class due to his dyslexia and the fact that he was a lazy bum. Mathematics came easily to him - he could derive complex mathematical formulas in his head.

I was tested in the 140+ range, but could not do this. Of course I easily was the best in class since I studied a lot back then and was a muscular nerd (with no pussy though). Later I also found out that another female classmate was in the 140 range as well. We all did not know because her achievements were so utterly unimpressive. Also much later in life I found out that women usually require way higher IQ and effort to operate at levels that men with lower IQs can easily master. I also met actual geniuses and the difference between 140 and a genius is staggering, though in some cases the genius was a semi-autistic woman with zero social skills. Her ability to calculate high mathematical formulas simply had no bearing on everyday life. Others used their gifts better like this one guy who made 500.000$ doing odd-ball projects for corporations in his mid 20s. The most successful friend I have has an IQ in the high 120s and his mind was in constant heavy utilization with no 2 months left slacking off (he essentially has the same memory capacity as when he was 16). His social skills are off-the-charts and he will probably be one of the youngest VPs and potentially CEOs in the corporate pharma history.

In life there is always someone smarter, but IQs should not limit one too much in terms of what you can achieve. There are famous millionaire celebrities now with IQs at 85 or lower and there are a few homeless people in the 140+ range.

The number of people with IQs in the 120-130 cohort outnumber that of the 140-Infinity cohort about 18 to 1. Your most "successful" friend having an IQ "only" in the 120s means little.

Chris Paul has had a much better NBA career than Gerald Green, but the average 6'8" high school senior basketball player with a 36" vertical almost surely has a brighter basketball future ahead of him as a prospect than the 6'0" H.S. player who can barely dunk. And if we are sampling groups of such prospects... no contest. Also, the former prospect is much rarer than the latter, by hundreds or thousands to 1.

On under-85 IQ millionaires, IQ is not perfectly correlated with income--there are vocations where success/income may not be that tightly correlated with IQ. Sports, performance arts, climbing the corporate ladder in HR, etc. Furthermore, under-85 IQ people outnumber the 140-Infinity cohort about 41 to 1.

On women, bitches on the right-tail of IQ are still pretty basic. Men are "nerdier," on average. However, on the flip-side, low-IQ women are less destructive than low-IQ men when it comes to crime and violence, and more able to hold down menial jobs.

IQ does not guarantee anything, but it's a very strong predictor between individuals. Between groups of individuals, its predictive ability approaches 100%.

IQ is so effective as a predictor in predicting life outcomes that other variables in economics, psychology, and sociology often disappear once IQ, and/or the heritability of IQ, is accounted for. It's over-powered like Mewtwo and Mew were in Pokemon Red/Blue, making other variables/Pokemon inconsequential. Mewtwo and Mew are generally banned from competitive tournaments, and similarly, IQ is generally discouraged from economics/psychology/sociology publications.

[PharaohRa]

Remember folks, as a rule of thumb, most whites who complain about their white privilege are those kinds of (((whites))). If they are not (((them))), then they are reminiscent of those stupid, spoiled, upper middle/ Lowe upper class attention whorls that only got what they want because of money.

[Easy_C]

Except, you see, IQ stats don't prove anything to them. IQ disparities only exist because the tests are written in a way that reflects white privilege and makes whites score higher.

Not satire. I'm paraphrasing actual statements I've seen.