Quote: (10-29-2015 02:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:
Even though I classify myself as a non-religious Hindu, I believe in God. I think that there was some being or entity which created the universe.
However, I do not believe in Satan – I think that all evil acts done by humans come from within themselves – it could be because of the way they grew up, or something to do with brain chemistry or many other reasons.
If somebody says “The Devil Made Me Do it”, I think they’re trying to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.
Where do you guys stand on this?
The devil, aka the fallen angel formely known as lucifer, doesn't ever "Make you do it" he just helps you think its a good idea.
The presence of satan and biblical stories I think are one of the most important, and subtle aspects of the bible. Satan is the embodiment of pride as a sin, and in our own lives pride is often the root of other missed steps.
The story of lucifer's 'conversion' parallels the same story of the fall of man. Just like Eve, he lived in paradise until his pride got the best of him and he felt that he needed more power, didn't need a master and could do it on his own. He rebelled and so was cast out of heaven. Same deal for adam and eve, they traded paradise for self determination (the apple was the fruit of knowledge between good and evil) because their pride of "fuck god and his rules, I'm going to eat what I want" god the best of them.
Satan the serpent didn't MAKE eve eat the apple, he just encouraged her, and this is how he tempts people.
The line of "the devil's greatest trick was convicing people that he didn't exist" is also true. The fact that his existence is doubted should be par for the course with a being that is supposed to be the Deon Sanders and Richard Sherman of persuasion. The same way that you don't know that you've been manipulated by a woman until after she has a new boyfriend is a mark of a black belt bitch...if everyone knew right away when the devil was at work, he wouldn't be much of a prince of darkness would he?
The most important part, to me, is "why does the devil even bother?""If the devil has such power and intelligence, why does he bother to continue to lose vs. God". The answer is pride. The devil knows the bible (he even quotes it when confronting Jesus) and so he should know that his fate is to be cast into the abyss right? The devil's pride keeps him fighting, he figures he can beat god's word at some point and the human's he can convince to the same thing validates that notion. This is why the devil's end goal is always "fuck that god, you don't need him, you know how to run your own life" The devil wants people to join him, in putting themselves above god and he'll march right into hell at the end of time with his allies, not thinking that it will be bad...because again satan can save himself in his mind, he's not scared of any boogeyman stories about how bad hell is.
Last, the Devil's pride fallacy is also why he 'resides' in all of us. We are like lucifer, and like adam and eve, when we rebel against 'natural law'.
So yes, I believe in Satan. I don't believe he is some sort of overt pitchfork wielding red devil, I believe that he is like the player of all players and would only go unnoticed if it weren't for his pride. He also, in my opinion, doesn't think he is evil, he is just trying to convince people to end their slavery to god and be their own masters....which again is why he doesn't seem to exist to alot of folks.
Demons/demonic posession on the otherhand, thats what I think of when I think of that classic 'excorcist' type stuff. Satan isn't so crass, even in the bible he's a tempter. Its demons, not satan that gets cast out of people when they are crazy in the bible.