[zaqan]

Frame can be a bit difficult to understand. I still am trying to figure it out, how to have it (which is the wrong question to ask), etc. However, I did notice one glaring illustration of it in the present.

Republicans play almost entirely in the Democrat frame on the issue of immigration. They have tricked the Republicans so bad that the latter thinks they have to pander to Hispanics and other immigrants to win. That the GOP must cater to such groups to ever have hope of winning the White House, blah blah.

Democrats and loud shrieking Hispanic and other activist groups shit test the hell out of the Republicans. But action, of course, wins. When an anti-illegal motion was on the ballot in California awhile ago, it won majority white, black, and Asian support, and came close to majority among Hispanics. Donald Trump is the only GOP candidate to have hit 25% among blacks in the general, and over 30% among Hispanics in the general. He outperforms Bush 26-20 among nonwhites when facing Hillary.

But many of my Republican friends continue to insist that the Republicans must pass some immigration reform (in the Democrat frame), or they will continue to be painted as racists (quel horreur!), as if passing reform will change that. Meanwhile, the Democrats get the 11, 12, 25, 30, 50, who knows million new voters they so desire. And the Republicans find out later that they were led on and left with blue balls.

It is amazing how the same crap plays out in real relations between organizations. Is this a result of feminization of society, or does it just play out in general? And note how Trump has centred the entire election around him (stealing the frame from Hillary, I might add). Everything is about him and relative to him. Republicans need to realize this and reorient the frame back into their court.

[Walker]

It's because very few people have had a bad experience with an immigrant or minority face to face, all they hear are second hand horror stories. This applies to both the US and Europe.

[El Chinito loco]

The people I know who are firmly against illegals being granted amnesty are actually other minorities. I bet if you ask a random black person or asian immigrant on the street what they think about illegals the answer will be overwhelmingly negative. It's because these minorities also have the most exposure to the problems that illegal immigrants cause whereas a lot of the proponents of illegal immigration live in a safe bubble.

It's usually the white conservative cucks and the usual limousine liberal retard/SJW set who are all into illegals flooding over.

[EL CHAPO]

Well I'll tell you this much.

Democrats are winning elections. Obama won twice, and its not because of his policies, trust me. Its because the Democrats changed the voters. Obama pretty much won with just minorities. Only 40% of white voters voted for him.

Republicans are committing political suicide if they try to reach Hispanic voters, because they will be falling into the left's trap. The Democrats knew that Americans wouldn't vote for their ideology so they opened the flood gates of Mexicans who will suck off of government and eventually their children are going to vote Democrat. Even Legal immigrants will eventually become U.S. citizens and will vote democrat. Its all about power and control. The left doesn't care. They are willing to change the demographics to get their way and win elections. That's all they care about.

Sadly, if this continues, the Republican party will have to get Hispanic voters because as whites dwindle in population, the Democratic party will always demonize the GOP for being the "racist" party and it will be the end of the GOP. A new party will have to emerge. It will be similar to what happened in South Africa with apartheid, although I think the Hispanics will not be as forgiving as Nelson Mandela I fear.


I hope to God Trump wins. The future of our country is at stake.

[porscheguy]

Immigration does not illustrate frame. The immigration issue shows that democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I think this is an example of frame. Frame is just a set of ideas about the way things are. The most common application for game is to see yourself as the prize, to recognize shit tests, and to generally recognize when something is stated in terms of the feminine imperative. However, frame can equality apply to any system of ideas about the world. If you have a strong idea of how things are in reality, and how they ought to be, then if anybody tries to defy your frame, you can immediately recognize it, and call it out.

I think this is the key. To be able to call out bullshit ideas, you have to have strongly in mind a set of correct ideas, so you instantly recognize why their ideas are bullshit, and are able to state clearly why they are fucked up. This is as true with immigration as it is with women asking you to buy them a drink at the club.