First of all, this is buisness not pleasure. I'm trying to get a list of resources/contacts from a women established in an industry I'd like to get in. Might propose a partnership later on but that's risky buisness & I'm still vetting her.
Problem: A fast talking beta whom I'm not yet sure the connection to our mutual female friend. Out for revenge against a mutual acquaintance who fired him pretty much for being a beta, same person offended this woman during the incident so there it makes sense she's caught up in this(or he's white-knighting for her.. could be either/or.) He's starting nonsensical rumors about his former boss and as its going I see it being the only thing that either of them want to discuss with me going forward. They're in this together, could be a deeper relationship but I don't know.
My first instinct would be to logically call out his lies/inconsistencies but I don't see that going anywhere. The girl is taking him on his word(doesn't want to spoil herself by sorting through the supposed evidence) and while he's with her I'm operating by phone accross the country. I don't see how playing the defense attorney could help my situation. Especially as some of it would be simply my word vs his. "So and so has xyz on their Facebook" whereas I saw their account deactivated when I rejoined the site last December. I can't prove when it was deactivated.
Second instinct is to trick him. The only way this works out is if I let him dig himself into a hole. I know he didn't dig up info on the man's family from Facebook as neither the man in question nor his family are on there. So I play along, get him agreeing to things I make up, then reveal. Seems risky and there's no guarentee he'd fall into it.
Third I could just refuse to have this discussion and insist we focus on buisness but I don't see that working. Certainly won't if beta's relationship with my female acquaintance is deeper than 'I traveled accross the country to spend a few days with you.' She'll be sucked into the libelling assuming she isn't already. I flubbed my recon, I was too disgusted by the shit-talking, put off my the insane fast talking, and they were on the road(speakerphone) trying to find some turnoff.
I'd appreciate the advice for the sake of getting both the buisness info I want; and in defending a red-pill guy I respect from a white-knight sneaking around and badmouthing him within the entire extended community we all met in. The accusations being flung range from misusing funds for a drug addiction to having created & maintained a false identity for years... high-level conspiracy babble.
Problem: A fast talking beta whom I'm not yet sure the connection to our mutual female friend. Out for revenge against a mutual acquaintance who fired him pretty much for being a beta, same person offended this woman during the incident so there it makes sense she's caught up in this(or he's white-knighting for her.. could be either/or.) He's starting nonsensical rumors about his former boss and as its going I see it being the only thing that either of them want to discuss with me going forward. They're in this together, could be a deeper relationship but I don't know.
My first instinct would be to logically call out his lies/inconsistencies but I don't see that going anywhere. The girl is taking him on his word(doesn't want to spoil herself by sorting through the supposed evidence) and while he's with her I'm operating by phone accross the country. I don't see how playing the defense attorney could help my situation. Especially as some of it would be simply my word vs his. "So and so has xyz on their Facebook" whereas I saw their account deactivated when I rejoined the site last December. I can't prove when it was deactivated.
Second instinct is to trick him. The only way this works out is if I let him dig himself into a hole. I know he didn't dig up info on the man's family from Facebook as neither the man in question nor his family are on there. So I play along, get him agreeing to things I make up, then reveal. Seems risky and there's no guarentee he'd fall into it.
Third I could just refuse to have this discussion and insist we focus on buisness but I don't see that working. Certainly won't if beta's relationship with my female acquaintance is deeper than 'I traveled accross the country to spend a few days with you.' She'll be sucked into the libelling assuming she isn't already. I flubbed my recon, I was too disgusted by the shit-talking, put off my the insane fast talking, and they were on the road(speakerphone) trying to find some turnoff.
I'd appreciate the advice for the sake of getting both the buisness info I want; and in defending a red-pill guy I respect from a white-knight sneaking around and badmouthing him within the entire extended community we all met in. The accusations being flung range from misusing funds for a drug addiction to having created & maintained a false identity for years... high-level conspiracy babble.