[Designate]

If she's checking you out repeatedly you need to embrace this and eye fuck her back.

In my opinion, at least for my game, the language of seduction is best spoken through the eyes.

Ooze confidence, dominance and sexuality as you look at her.

This can be a quick look of less than 10 seconds or you can sit back and examine her for up to 30 seconds-1 minute if you really want to let things simmer before you approach.

Maybe give a head-nod, but I personally don't fuck around with that.

Approach from the front, grabbing her hand or hips as you whisper in her ear and pull her away from the pack.

If you have to approach from the back make sure you grab her shoulder or hips as you whisper in her ear.

Don't be trying some thirsty ass humping approach that every other guy in club has tried that night.

All of this should be done without hesitation.

As Law 28 of the 48 laws states:

Quote:

If you are unsure of a course of action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity. Everyone admires the bold; no one honors the timid.

[Hazaer]

(03-22-2016 12:20 PM)Designate Wrote:  

If she's checking you out repeatedly you need to embrace this and eye fuck her back.

In my opinion, at least for my game, the language of seduction is best spoken through the eyes.

Ooze confidence, dominance and sexuality as you look at her.

This can be a quick look of less than 10 seconds or you can sit back and examine her for up to 30 seconds-1 minute if you really want to let things simmer before you approach.

Maybe give a head-nod, but I personally don't fuck around with that.

Approach from the front, grabbing her hand or hips as you whisper in her ear and pull her away from the pack.

If you have to approach from the back make sure you grab her shoulder or hips as you whisper in her ear.

Don't be trying some thirsty ass humping approach that every other guy in club has tried that night.

All of this should be done without hesitation.

As Law 28 of the 48 laws states:

Quote:

If you are unsure of a course of action, do not attempt it. Your doubts and hesitations will infect your execution. Timidity is dangerous: Better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity. Everyone admires the bold; no one honors the timid.

Good quote.

Do you pull her away to talk or dance? If she is with her friends, would she be comfortable with leaving that group with a person she just saw?

And, what exactly do you whisper into her ear?

[Designate]

For starters I'd recommend you check back and read Bang page by page again. A lot of these questions you are asking in this thread have already been covered and answered by Roosh.

It should always be your goal to isolate. But if it's a big group, especially with a mix of girls and guys, you'll most likely be forced to disarm the group at large though. High energy and a fun vibe will be necessary.

In general what you say will be purely situational and different across the type of venues, type of cultures and language.

If she is putting off an overt sexual vibe by eye fucking you repeatedly then you should obviously reciprocate.

If you don't want to make things complicated I'd check back with the basics via Roosh:

Quote:

Bang - Page 23-24 - The Approach

There are two multi-purpose openers that you can use almost anywhere. The first: "Hey. You look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." When used in a bar or club, it is said with enthusiastic sarcasm to match the mood of the venue. When said everywhere else, it is said with relaxed sarcasm, unless she really is having lots of fun then you can just say it straight. In both instances you crack a very slight smirk to let her know that you are being sarcastic. Say the "Hey" with a healthy volume to get her attention so that she makes eye contact with you. Once she does make eye contact, deliver the rest of the line. She will respond back with laughter or something simple like "Really?" or "I know, I am!" She is now opened. The reason this line works well is because you are joking that she appears boring, so you the interaction often starts with her qualifying herself to you. (By "qualifying herself" I mean she is explaining or rationalizing a perceived flaw.) The advantages of this opener are that it is very easy to deliver and doesn’t need adjustment based on where you are. The disadvantage is that you still need something else to continue conversation. When you are opening a group of girls, simply add the word "guys." Say, "Hey guys, you look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." Again, I must stress to get your volume up there to make sure they all hear it―you don’t want the conversation to start with "What did you say?" When I use this opener, I either follow by making a comment about our shared environment or something situational, or I stack another opener after it, such as this second one.

The second opener: "Hey. Let me guess. You are from ________." Like in the previous opener, you also wait until eye contact is established before continuing after the "Hey." Make sure you do a dramatic two second pause after you say "Let me guess." Feel free to add a slight squint as if you are thinking. Here you are going to guess where she is from, whether it be a city, state, or country. I like using this opener on girls who are obviously not American because you dive into a guessing game of what country she is from. It’s win-win for you because if you get her country wrong then she usually wants you to keep guessing, continuing the interaction, and if you get it right then she is impressed and asks you how you knew. To double my chances of getting her country right, I cheat a little with something like, "You are either from Argentina or Mexico." Even with girls who are not ethnic and just white, this opener still works well: just guess that they are half German or Norwegian. There is a good chance her ancestor will be from somewhere in Europe. And then for girls who are acting snobby, show that you are not impressed with their demeanor by guessing they are from a place like Romania or West Virginia. As long as a girl doesn’t blow you off after you say "Hey," this opener leads to conversation. If your girl is in a group then say either, "Hey, let me guess… you guys are from Argentina," or, "You guys are from Argentina and Colombia," or, "I have a feeling that at least one of you is from Argentina." This opener works because of the guessing component, so it can easily be modified to start a conversation about almost anything. For instance if you see a girl writing in a bookstore, you can say, "Let me guess. You are writing the next great American novel?"

If you are at a music concert you can say, "Let me guess. You have been a fan since before they became big?" You can tone down the initial phrasing of this opener if you are in a more relaxed venue. In a coffee shop I’d say, "Hey, I’m just curious… are you from Argentina?"

Can you see yourself saying these lines to girls? A monkey could do this! While they are powerful, even the best opener is not going to work all the time, but these two are the most effective openers I’ve used. Not coincidentally, they are also the simplest. As for which one to use in certain situations, you can’t go wrong with either. These openers take away the "What am I going to say?" excuse that prevents so many guys from talking to a girl they like. Even if you completely freeze after the opener, the fact that you opened and made yourself a presence in her world dramatically increases your chance of getting something.

[Hazaer]

(03-23-2016 01:46 PM)Designate Wrote:  

For starters I'd recommend you check back and read Bang page by page again. A lot of these questions you are asking in this thread have already been covered and answered by Roosh.

It should always be your goal to isolate. But if it's a big group, especially with a mix of girls and guys, you'll most likely be forced to disarm the group at large though. High energy and a fun vibe will be necessary.

In general what you say will be purely situational and different across the type of venues, type of cultures and language.

If she is putting off an overt sexual vibe by eye fucking you repeatedly then you should obviously reciprocate.

If you don't want to make things complicated I'd check back with the basics via Roosh:

Quote:

Bang - Page 23-24 - The Approach

There are two multi-purpose openers that you can use almost anywhere. The first: "Hey. You look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." When used in a bar or club, it is said with enthusiastic sarcasm to match the mood of the venue. When said everywhere else, it is said with relaxed sarcasm, unless she really is having lots of fun then you can just say it straight. In both instances you crack a very slight smirk to let her know that you are being sarcastic. Say the "Hey" with a healthy volume to get her attention so that she makes eye contact with you. Once she does make eye contact, deliver the rest of the line. She will respond back with laughter or something simple like "Really?" or "I know, I am!" She is now opened. The reason this line works well is because you are joking that she appears boring, so you the interaction often starts with her qualifying herself to you. (By "qualifying herself" I mean she is explaining or rationalizing a perceived flaw.) The advantages of this opener are that it is very easy to deliver and doesn’t need adjustment based on where you are. The disadvantage is that you still need something else to continue conversation. When you are opening a group of girls, simply add the word "guys." Say, "Hey guys, you look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." Again, I must stress to get your volume up there to make sure they all hear it―you don’t want the conversation to start with "What did you say?" When I use this opener, I either follow by making a comment about our shared environment or something situational, or I stack another opener after it, such as this second one.

The second opener: "Hey. Let me guess. You are from ________." Like in the previous opener, you also wait until eye contact is established before continuing after the "Hey." Make sure you do a dramatic two second pause after you say "Let me guess." Feel free to add a slight squint as if you are thinking. Here you are going to guess where she is from, whether it be a city, state, or country. I like using this opener on girls who are obviously not American because you dive into a guessing game of what country she is from. It’s win-win for you because if you get her country wrong then she usually wants you to keep guessing, continuing the interaction, and if you get it right then she is impressed and asks you how you knew. To double my chances of getting her country right, I cheat a little with something like, "You are either from Argentina or Mexico." Even with girls who are not ethnic and just white, this opener still works well: just guess that they are half German or Norwegian. There is a good chance her ancestor will be from somewhere in Europe. And then for girls who are acting snobby, show that you are not impressed with their demeanor by guessing they are from a place like Romania or West Virginia. As long as a girl doesn’t blow you off after you say "Hey," this opener leads to conversation. If your girl is in a group then say either, "Hey, let me guess… you guys are from Argentina," or, "You guys are from Argentina and Colombia," or, "I have a feeling that at least one of you is from Argentina." This opener works because of the guessing component, so it can easily be modified to start a conversation about almost anything. For instance if you see a girl writing in a bookstore, you can say, "Let me guess. You are writing the next great American novel?"

If you are at a music concert you can say, "Let me guess. You have been a fan since before they became big?" You can tone down the initial phrasing of this opener if you are in a more relaxed venue. In a coffee shop I’d say, "Hey, I’m just curious… are you from Argentina?"

Can you see yourself saying these lines to girls? A monkey could do this! While they are powerful, even the best opener is not going to work all the time, but these two are the most effective openers I’ve used. Not coincidentally, they are also the simplest. As for which one to use in certain situations, you can’t go wrong with either. These openers take away the "What am I going to say?" excuse that prevents so many guys from talking to a girl they like. Even if you completely freeze after the opener, the fact that you opened and made yourself a presence in her world dramatically increases your chance of getting something.

The isolation seems to be the biggest challenge for me especially for the small groups. Girls in grps of 2 or 3 might be standing or sitting together at the smoking area mostly with a drink in hand. You strike a conversation with them. After sometime, you realize that the conversation thread is running out and you have no excuse to isolate them. They always want to move around with their friends who will notice if they are missing.

This problem can be solved very effectively with a wingman but we are talking solo here.

[Hazaer]

(03-24-2016 08:34 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:46 PM)Designate Wrote:  

For starters I'd recommend you check back and read Bang page by page again. A lot of these questions you are asking in this thread have already been covered and answered by Roosh.

It should always be your goal to isolate. But if it's a big group, especially with a mix of girls and guys, you'll most likely be forced to disarm the group at large though. High energy and a fun vibe will be necessary.

In general what you say will be purely situational and different across the type of venues, type of cultures and language.

If she is putting off an overt sexual vibe by eye fucking you repeatedly then you should obviously reciprocate.

If you don't want to make things complicated I'd check back with the basics via Roosh:

Quote:

Bang - Page 23-24 - The Approach

There are two multi-purpose openers that you can use almost anywhere. The first: "Hey. You look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." When used in a bar or club, it is said with enthusiastic sarcasm to match the mood of the venue. When said everywhere else, it is said with relaxed sarcasm, unless she really is having lots of fun then you can just say it straight. In both instances you crack a very slight smirk to let her know that you are being sarcastic. Say the "Hey" with a healthy volume to get her attention so that she makes eye contact with you. Once she does make eye contact, deliver the rest of the line. She will respond back with laughter or something simple like "Really?" or "I know, I am!" She is now opened. The reason this line works well is because you are joking that she appears boring, so you the interaction often starts with her qualifying herself to you. (By "qualifying herself" I mean she is explaining or rationalizing a perceived flaw.) The advantages of this opener are that it is very easy to deliver and doesn’t need adjustment based on where you are. The disadvantage is that you still need something else to continue conversation. When you are opening a group of girls, simply add the word "guys." Say, "Hey guys, you look like you are having the most fun here out of anyone." Again, I must stress to get your volume up there to make sure they all hear it―you don’t want the conversation to start with "What did you say?" When I use this opener, I either follow by making a comment about our shared environment or something situational, or I stack another opener after it, such as this second one.

The second opener: "Hey. Let me guess. You are from ________." Like in the previous opener, you also wait until eye contact is established before continuing after the "Hey." Make sure you do a dramatic two second pause after you say "Let me guess." Feel free to add a slight squint as if you are thinking. Here you are going to guess where she is from, whether it be a city, state, or country. I like using this opener on girls who are obviously not American because you dive into a guessing game of what country she is from. It’s win-win for you because if you get her country wrong then she usually wants you to keep guessing, continuing the interaction, and if you get it right then she is impressed and asks you how you knew. To double my chances of getting her country right, I cheat a little with something like, "You are either from Argentina or Mexico." Even with girls who are not ethnic and just white, this opener still works well: just guess that they are half German or Norwegian. There is a good chance her ancestor will be from somewhere in Europe. And then for girls who are acting snobby, show that you are not impressed with their demeanor by guessing they are from a place like Romania or West Virginia. As long as a girl doesn’t blow you off after you say "Hey," this opener leads to conversation. If your girl is in a group then say either, "Hey, let me guess… you guys are from Argentina," or, "You guys are from Argentina and Colombia," or, "I have a feeling that at least one of you is from Argentina." This opener works because of the guessing component, so it can easily be modified to start a conversation about almost anything. For instance if you see a girl writing in a bookstore, you can say, "Let me guess. You are writing the next great American novel?"

If you are at a music concert you can say, "Let me guess. You have been a fan since before they became big?" You can tone down the initial phrasing of this opener if you are in a more relaxed venue. In a coffee shop I’d say, "Hey, I’m just curious… are you from Argentina?"

Can you see yourself saying these lines to girls? A monkey could do this! While they are powerful, even the best opener is not going to work all the time, but these two are the most effective openers I’ve used. Not coincidentally, they are also the simplest. As for which one to use in certain situations, you can’t go wrong with either. These openers take away the "What am I going to say?" excuse that prevents so many guys from talking to a girl they like. Even if you completely freeze after the opener, the fact that you opened and made yourself a presence in her world dramatically increases your chance of getting something.

The isolation seems to be the biggest challenge for me especially for the small groups. Girls in grps of 2 or 3 might be standing or sitting together at the smoking area mostly with a drink in hand. You strike a conversation with them. After sometime, you realize that the conversation thread is running out and you have no excuse to isolate them. They always want to move around with their friends who will notice if they are missing.

This problem can be solved very effectively with a wingman but we are talking solo here.

Went out with some friends the other day. Separated from them. Found a girl seated alone. Said Hi, introduced myself she told me hers and asked how it was going. She said ok, then suddenly stood up and walked away to join a friend.

That was a good opportunity but I missed it, I am thinking I was just too uninteresting. What do you guys think happened?

Anything I could have done to hold her attention longer or anything at all I could have done different?

[LongDongSilver]

Hazaer , been reading your posts for a minute now and its clear youre struggling. Maybe switch from night game to day game/social circle til you start stuffing some guts and earn your stripes. Women can damn near smell a virgin, maybe try to online date or something a decent looking bitch to get some social proof and credibility.

That last approach didnt seem like an "opportunity" , more like an instant rejection. I think a good wingman would really help you out, kind of hard to pull from the bars when you are befuddled by the basics of romantic interactions.

To get her attention, dog on something she is wearing, her hair, her height, something not overly rude but funny to show youre fun dude and not intimidated by her. Spit something that gets her emotions stirring.

[Hazaer]

(03-31-2016 03:09 PM)LongDongSilver Wrote:  

Hazaer , been reading your posts for a minute now and its clear youre struggling. Maybe switch from night game to day game/social circle til you start stuffing some guts and earn your stripes. Women can damn near smell a virgin, maybe try to online date or something a decent looking bitch to get some social proof and credibility.

That last approach didnt seem like an "opportunity" , more like an instant rejection. I think a good wingman would really help you out, kind of hard to pull from the bars when you are befuddled by the basics of romantic interactions.

To get her attention, dog on something she is wearing, her hair, her height, something not overly rude but funny to show youre fun dude and not intimidated by her. Spit something that gets her emotions stirring.

Thought of day game but isn't that tougher than night game? Atleast with a little alcohol, I am thinking it would bring out the confidence first.

Wingmen are non-existent in my place of the world. Nobody approaches be it day or night, social grp game makes sure of that.

I have a social circle but there are more guys than girls and the girls always bang the same 2 or 3 guys in rotation. So I am really not sure if hanging out with them is going to help me with game. Needless to say, none of them have even talk to girls outside of the circle when we go out.

The problem with the conversation is starting it is easier, but I run out of things to say, commenting on things like the environment or the ppl around like in Roosh's Bang doesnt seem to interest girls and it doesnt lead to more convo.

[Designate]

Sounds to me like you are really young and live in a small town or rural area.

If that's the case, then you know what the obvious advice is.

Clearly you are also lacking confidence and any inner game and as such you are fooling no one right now.

I would just take a step back and take a hard look at yourself.

What's your job/money situation?
Are you getting fit and hitting the gym with ferocity?
Upgrading your style and separating yourself from the pack?
Working on some cool and interesting hobbies or side projects?
What added value is your social circle providing you? Are you actively looking to meet other high value individuals?
In any social groups such as Toastmasters, etc. that can help improve your overall social skills?

The road isn't easy, but you need to build yourself before you can start expecting regular success.

[Hazaer]

(04-01-2016 09:01 AM)Designate Wrote:  

Sounds to me like you are really young and live in a small town or rural area.

If that's the case, then you know what the obvious advice is.

Clearly you are also lacking confidence and any inner game and as such you are fooling no one right now.

I would just take a step back and take a hard look at yourself.

What's your job/money situation?
Are you getting fit and hitting the gym with ferocity?
Upgrading your style and separating yourself from the pack?
Working on some cool and interesting hobbies or side projects?
What added value is your social circle providing you? Are you actively looking to meet other high value individuals?
In any social groups such as Toastmasters, etc. that can help improve your overall social skills?

The road isn't easy, but you need to build yourself before you can start expecting regular success.

Ok, I can go out twice a week but I would be doing so solo which needs a lot of motivation especially going to the same places in a small city of 90K.

I dress up more than the average aussy bloke and being coloured I more often stand out.

No side projects to speak of, I am at work during the wkdays and weekends are the time when I go out.

The social grp is a little controversial from a game pt of view as I mentioned in the prev post. I go out with the same grp of girls and guys if I dont go out solo. The guys are not game aware. And the girls usually have the same 2 or 3 guys on rotation in the grp who they bang after every night out. None of these guys are actually up to hooking up with new ppl. But on the other hand, it seems social grp game is king here and as such you cant seem to know more ppl if you are not in a social circle in the first place. So, its hard to decide whether to stick with the group for nights out but in the long run, it seems going solo would be beneficial if I stick with it.

As for meeting with high value guys, I see very few guys approaching here in the context of game. Probably 1 guy a month doing that at night. I think being in a college setting contributes to that but I am a mature student so am in quite a bind here.

Toastmasters would be good for the confidence.

Its going to be a very long road, those in game at the small cities can identify with me. And sometimes the reward might also not be good as most of the girls in these small places have relationships since school but one can do nothing about it but try.

[Hazaer]

Approached a girl in a club and introduced myself. Says she has a boyfriend and takes out her phone and shows me a photo of her and her boyfriend in bed. I used the 'Why are you telling me your problems' line to no avail. She told me some more crap about her boyfriend and I told she is not my type, wished her and her friend a good night and walked away.

Wondering what is her pt of the photo? Should I have left there and then?

Looking back, I should have thrown the 'Is your friend always like this' line to her friend but not sure if it would have led to anything..

Thanks for your opinions.

[Hazaer]

(04-11-2016 09:42 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Approached a girl in a club and introduced myself. Says she has a boyfriend and takes out her phone and shows me a photo of her and her boyfriend in bed. I used the 'Why are you telling me your problems' line to no avail. She told me some more crap about her boyfriend and I told she is not my type, wished her and her friend a good night and walked away.

Wondering what is her pt of the photo? Should I have left there and then?

Looking back, I should have thrown the 'Is your friend always like this' line to her friend but not sure if it would have led to anything..

Thanks for your opinions.

Bump.. anything that strikes you about the above?