[Saga]

It's true it's just sports, and I don't follow baseball at all, but from a broader point of view I find that statistic to be astonishing. 87% of brawls are started across ethnic groups...it says a great deal about the level of tension and conflict that multiculturalism can bring into an environment, something that many people with experience in diverse schools and workplaces can readily attest to. This is something to think about, and perhaps cite, whenever you talk to someone who's convinced that mass immigration is just a wonderful bit of harmless fun.

[Travesty]

(10-05-2015 07:45 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

If I were to rank sports in order of how much I enjoy them it would go:

1. Baseball
2. Soccer
3. Football
4. Hockey
>9000. Basketball

Are you under 5'10" and were you extremely skinny at the time you played these sports?

This would explain this ranking.

[teh_skeeze]

Under 5'10", no. Extremely skinny, yes. Not so skinny anymore.

To be honest, I only played soccer because they needed bodies and I had some interest. It wasn't until I got into Football Manager that I fell in love with the game. I used to play street hockey and basketball all the time. I never had any interest in playing organized basketball, and my school didn't offer hockey. I have loved baseball from birth. If I had to choose between baseball and pussy, I'd probably go with baseball.

(10-05-2015 10:19 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

You're comparing a guy celebrating to another guy trying to seriously [possibly fataly] injure someone because he celebrated too much.

As you said, the "unwritten rules" are the ones the players [and coaches] police themselves. This is not up to couch potatoe fans, this is up to the team [players, coaches, owners and anyone else] to explain and control their players.

Just like how college football doesn't allow [if I recall correctly] too much celebrating when the players score a touchdown [elaborate victory dances and such] the team establishment is responsible for that.

But then again, you're talking to someone who only takes part in the actual sport/event culture and has 0 interest in fandom.

Incorrect. What I said is if you are disrespectful to your opponent by showing him up. Somebody is going to get thrown at. That's the nature of the game. Nobody headhunts anymore because they will get suspended, and it puts their teammates at risk for retaliation.

Sammy Sosa would do a hop towards first base when he got a hold of one. I don't remember anyone ever throwing at him. The reason is because he is moving towards first base and he's wasn't making a show of it.

A couple of weeks ago, Yoenis Cespedes hit a late inning home run that sealed a win for my Metsies. As soon as he hit it, I told my girlfriend he's getting plunked. She asked why, and I told her that he looked at it too long. Sure enough, he got hit in his first plate appearance the next day. You can admire your shot without the pomp and circumstance.

You'll have to elaborate on your last statement since I'm not quite sure I understand what it means.

[Roosh]

I don't see how SJW's are trying to change baseball, as your title states.

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

[Bear Hands]

The only part I disagree with is intentional hits to the head. If you're going to send a message, hit them in the hip or the upper arm, and don't do it with a 100 mph fastball. I think they get a bit immature about what they retaliate to at times, but I'd rather not have the game be overly policed like the NFL. I cannot watch football anymore because of the ridiculous delays in action.

Sure it's a multicultural game because it's popular in non-white countries and it has been a meritocracy since baseball integrated. For every instance of interracial violence, there's several white guys who are best buds with blacks, or latinos, or sometimes Asians on their own teams. Men in small enough groups that go through a grind will form bonds in spite of their racial differences.

Bench clearing happened plenty in years past, before the influx of latinos. It's what happens when you get a bunch of men together with high testosterone who have been a bit insulated from the real world because of the world of professional sports. It's the same reason guys will piss and moan to umpires. Anyone talking race just wants to race bait at this point.

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(10-05-2015 11:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't see how SJW's are trying to change baseball, as your title states.

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

It's usually just personal statistic padding that does not matter. Getting to 3rd does not significantly increase the chance of a scoring play with 2 outs because a decent runner can score on a single from 2nd base about as easily as from 3rd, and the pitcher usually does not watch the baserunners as much with 2 outs because a flyball, ground out, or strikeout will end the inning without allowing the runner to score.

[teh_skeeze]

(10-05-2015 11:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

It's not disrespectful. It's not even an unwritten rule. The saying goes "Don't make the first or third out at 3rd base". If you are going to try to take 3rd in those situations, you better make it.

The reason for that is if you are already on second, a hit brings you in. If there are no outs, the batter will either sacrifice or try to hit the ball to the right side of the infield to get you to 3rd. If there are 2 outs, getting to 3rd is meaningless and you risk running yourself out of a scoring opportunity.

[TornadoByProxy]

///---"No true baseball fan" fallacy. Haha

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Maybe we should go back pre-1945 before the color barrier was broken, just think of the great players who we would have never had the chance to enjoy.

Not just the Juan Marichals' but the Willie Mayes'of the world. This reminds me of the reports I would read to discredit MLB integration. Imagine the ire he drew when Branche Rickey walked Jackie Robinson into the Dodgers facility for the first time.

I'd argue Americas favorite pastime was enhanced by the influx of athletic non white players. Never before had we seen the combination of speed and power of a Willie Mayes. First we eliminate the Latin player, then ________ players and on and on

Talk about a slippery slope

[PapayaTapper]

(10-05-2015 06:14 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

Not really. Baseball still does pretty well with older viewers. They struggle with the 18-35 demographic. It's got more to do with the younger audiences not connecting to the game because it's considerably more boring compared to football, basketball and even hockey. It's also because the games can be longer than the other 3 leagues and smartphone obsessed millennials simply don't care as much for baseball.

In my opinion you're seeing connections between two things where there are none.

Baseball is a game of nuance and finesse. The Adderal generation doesn't do subtlety because well..

[General Stalin]

OP wishes baseball was like it was @ 2:23

[Steve_Jay]

Seems diversity isn't a strength in baseball. What is going on in the MLB is just a microcosm of how social capital has eroded in greater society. Clashing cultures in the same space breed hostility and misunderstanding, resulting in societal dysfunction and greater hatred between the groups.

Never mind, I am sure this is all just a fault of White people and the MLB needs to go into multicultural mode and be more reflective of our demographics in the year whatever it is.

[cascadecombo]

(10-05-2015 10:39 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

Incorrect. What I said is if you are disrespectful to your opponent by showing him up. Somebody is going to get thrown at. That's the nature of the game. Nobody headhunts anymore because they will get suspended, and it puts their teammates at risk for retaliation.

Sammy Sosa would do a hop towards first base when he got a hold of one. I don't remember anyone ever throwing at him. The reason is because he is moving towards first base and he's wasn't making a show of it.

A couple of weeks ago, Yoenis Cespedes hit a late inning home run that sealed a win for my Metsies. As soon as he hit it, I told my girlfriend he's getting plunked. She asked why, and I told her that he looked at it too long. Sure enough, he got hit in his first plate appearance the next day. You can admire your shot without the pomp and circumstance.

You'll have to elaborate on your last statement since I'm not quite sure I understand what it means.

Let me wrap my head around that. The guy hits a game winning home run, and stops to enjoy the site of it leaving the park, and other players become enraged because he takes some time to admire his handiwork. The next day, the losing team took out their anger on the guy in the form of hitting him with a 90mph fastball. The lack of sportsmanship still sounds as if it is coming from the losing team, truly being "sore losers"

For the last statement. I don't watch sports, I find it very boring and a waste of time. I do however, take part in sports. I make a point to try to compete as much as possible, and to maintain myself to a level where I can compete [ or at least train with and provide value to the pro athletes ] with skilled individuals.

Which is actually why I make a point to comment, I find it ridiculous when others tell athletes how to act. The coach needs to be on top of them for such things. My coach back in high school would have us doing at least a hundred burpees for every time a guy celebrated too much after winning. That number was multiplied for every additional player who did so as well. Don't bitch about "SJW's" which I don't see any around, bitch about the team failing to train it's players. Was the point I was making.

[Kamikaze]

Given OP's name and profile pic and the content in this thread, I've never been more curious as to the appearance of a dude on this forum. Aside from Tuthmosis. I would figure he's hispanic or latino but, but then seems to hate hispanic culture destroying 'his culture' in baseball. Look at his post history, and the race stuff:game stuff ratio is like 15:1. If I had to put my money on it, he's probably a self-loathing white latino. Come on man, embrace your heritage... strut your stuff, look at your home runs, admire your work. Don't be so white bread.

As a hispanic dude myself, from PR, we are more or less aware of these unwritten rules. There've been very few Puerto Rican players who can be considered cocky at all, off the top of my head the only ones I can think of are Roberto Alomar and Igor González. Everyone else is a veritable class act, especially Roberto Clemente, Iván Rodríguez, and now emerging star Carlos Correa. Dude sprints around the bases after his home runs and only celebrates in the dugout with his teammates.

But I like the bravado of the Cuban players, like Yoenis, Yasiel Puig, and even José Fernández above. Come on, the guy hit his first homer, as a pitcher, takes a little long looking at the home run and causes a bench clearing brawl? Get that stick out of your ass. Baseball has its culture but sports in general have a different culture, too. Showing up your opponent and talking trash is something that professional athletes, as adults, should be able to handle. I also find it interesting how this trait is glorified in basketball, what with the reverence we talk about the trash-talking abilities of Larry Bird, MJ, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton. But looking at a home run too long is demonized in baseball, especially when it's a brown guy doing it. Some dudes are a little too in love with the idea of enforcing antiquated, sterile, unwritten, unclear, and at times downright stupid rules.

I'll just leave this here.





Stop being such uptight pussies and beat them next time.

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

(10-06-2015 02:48 AM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

I also find it interesting how this trait is glorified in basketball, what with the reverence we talk about the trash-talking abilities of Larry Bird, MJ, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton. But looking at a home run too long is demonized in baseball, especially when it's a brown guy doing it. Some dudes are a little too in love with the idea of enforcing antiquated, sterile, unwritten, unclear, and at times downright stupid rules.

Yes, it's amazing, it's almost like different sports appear to completely different demographics, truly a stunning revelation. Basketball naturally appeals to Basketball Americans who like to do a little crip walk shuffle to celebrate, and that's also the audience it attracts. Baseball was a white sport, and like most of those they adhered to unwritten rules of conduct on behaving in a restrained and humble manner and not being overly in your face with their celebrations. That's how it started, that's what the fans used to expect. Now you got an influx of a foreign Latino culture which either doesn't know the rules or simply doesn't care about them and wants to do little mariachi intermissions after homeruns. Is it really not clear why the players are pissed off about their sport becoming a circus?

[Kickb]

Ha, I had no idea of these rules. Those players can fuck off. If I hit a homerun then Im going to watch it.

[EL CHAPO]

(10-06-2015 02:48 AM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

Given OP's name and profile pic and the content in this thread, I've never been more curious as to the appearance of a dude on this forum. Aside from Tuthmosis. I would figure he's hispanic or latino but, but then seems to hate hispanic culture destroying 'his culture' in baseball. Look at his post history, and the race stuff:game stuff ratio is like 15:1. If I had to put my money on it, he's probably a self-loathing white latino. Come on man, embrace your heritage... strut your stuff, look at your home runs, admire your work. Don't be so white bread.

I'm Black

I don't "hate" Hispanic culture, I simply don't want it to take over baseball. I like Latin culture, given my profile pic.

As a baseball lover, I simply want it to stay how it is. We don't need all this showboating and degenerate celebrating in a gentleman's sport. It simply comes down to that.

[Game_Started]

If a pitcher is mad that a guy is looking at his homer a little too long, he should quit being a little bitch and pitch better. That's the most retarded unwritten rule ever. "What? I shouldn't like the fact that I scored??"

And Chapo, serious question, are you upset with the drop in black players with the sport?

[TonySandos]

I just want to point out the atrocious anti-racism signaling, borderline witch hunt tactics and assumption of whiteness or self-hating latino background.

Like I've said before lately because it's become very apparent; when ethno-cultural discussions set out in a very specific tone (anything not overtly favorable to non-white cultural practices) there's a predictable backlash that's too similar to Nazi witch hunting for self-proclaimed perceptive and intellectually daring men.

Look at the previous responses and reverse the color scheme. There isn't that type of backlash for those threads. It's more humorous reading the first page already knowing Chapo was a black guy. Even a black guy who wants mainstream American culture to be preserved is categorized as utter racism of the kkk brand.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

[nomadbrah]

I don't care about baseball, but the underlying theme is conflict of proper 'battleground' eticette, namely the Northern European/Anglo-Saxon concepts of a fair fight and graciousness in both victory and defeat. These are hugely important and historical factors for Northern Euro whites which is why they react so strongly I assume.

[kaotic]

OP bows out because he doesn't want this to become a "race thread" when he immediately goes into a tirade about Latin players destroying baseball.

Retreats with his tail between his legs when called out by the forum.

Do u even baseball bro ?

Because I did for 12 years, this shit has been going on for YEARS. It isn't racial, it's generational - new up and comers versus old schoolers. Old schoolers hate how the new guys act, they break rules all the time.

This is about enforcement of gentleman's agreements. If you don't like it, don't play the sport. If you break the rules, you'll get jawed or get in a fight.

You damn right I'm beading a guy in the back of the numbers on the opposite team, if a pitcher hit one of my brothers intentionally.

You also need to remember, lot of of prima donnas are in baseball also.

You're black right ? I remember baseball was a white only sport and they had the black NLBM.

I can't believe Jackie Robinson shook up baseball and ruined my favorite sport by stealing all those bases, he should respect the sport and stay in the NLBM.

[EL CHAPO]

(10-06-2015 03:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

OP bows out because he doesn't want this to become a "race thread" when he immediately goes into a tirade about Latin players destroying baseball.

Retreats with his tail between his legs when called out by the forum.

Do u even baseball bro ?

Because I did for 12 years, this shit has been going on for YEARS. It isn't racial, it's generational - new up and comers versus old schoolers. Old schoolers hate how the new guys act, they break rules all the time.

This is about enforcement of gentleman's agreements. If you don't like it, don't play the sport. If you break the rules, you'll get jawed or get in a fight.

You damn right I'm beading a guy in the back of the numbers on the opposite team, if a pitcher hit one of my brothers intentionally.

You also need to remember, lot of of prima donnas are in baseball also.

You're black right ? I remember baseball was a white only sport and they had the black NLBM.

I can't believe Jackie Robinson shook up baseball and ruined my favorite sport by stealing all those bases, he should respect the sport and stay in the NLBM.

Woh, woh, woh! Chill out man, where did I ever say I wanted to keep baseball strictly "white"?

I don't mind the Latino players. Baseball teams go to great lengths to send scouts down to Miami, Texas, the Caribbean, Central and South America with the hope of finding the next Sammy Sosa or Albert Pujols. I don't have a problem with that at all. If its good for the teams involved, then more power to them. What I do mind is the antics, the lame celebrations from these Latino players and their lack of respect for the game and its rules that has given them everything. If you're coming into my house and not respect my rules, then gtfo! Anybody who respects the rules is welcomed with open arms.

Its true what I say in terms of the league losing ratings because of this. These very different players from very different cultures who come here and fuck shit up and have no concept for the unwritten rules of baseball. In my opinion, ratings have plummeted because of this because these new Latin players have no respect for the game, its rules and are playing the game how they want to play it, thus denigrating the integrity of the game altogether which led to people not watching anymore.

Is that racist to point out? Really? Then I feel sorry for you. People are too damn sensitive nowadays.

As a Black man, I know this first hand. The same thing happened to basketball in the 70s when ratings dropped because of the influx of Black players who would showboat, dunk, and treat the game as a joke, which disgusted mainstream America. Thank God for Larry Byrd who came in and restored ratings in mainstream America that made it watchable for fans of all colors later on, or else basketball would have been extinct.

Something similar is occurring in baseball now, but with no hope in sight of it getting better.

I'll simply put it like this.

Follow the rules, welcome aboard.
Don't follow the rules, then gtfo!

[teh_skeeze]

I'm done talking about this as I've said all there is to say. If you guys like bat flipping so much, you should watch Korean baseball. Look at this epic bat flip.

https://cdn.streamable.com/video/webm/yrr6.webm

Note: It's a webm, I don't know how to embed it.

[EL CHAPO]

(10-06-2015 02:34 PM)Game_Started Wrote:  

And Chapo, serious question, are you upset with the drop in black players with the sport?

Yes I am. I think Major League Baseball as a whole has done a poor job of attracting young Black men to play baseball. When you think of guys like Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, and others, there was a big interest in baseball among Black Americans.

Part of the reason I think the drop in Black players has occurred is because teams have set up shop and outsourced its jobs to Latin America setting up baseball clinics and camps in Puerto Rico, Northern Mexico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela and others and those are the kids you're going to develop. Those resources used to be in places like the Bronx in New York, or Georgia, Chicago, Detroit where young Black kids would play baseball everyday, but in the last 15 years or so the resources have been outsourced to Latin America.

Another reason is because you have young Black men who like listening to gangster rap and are addicted to Hip Hop culture and sports like Basketball and Football give them that platform. In Basketball you see people like 50 cent, Snoop Dogg, Pitbull, Kanye West perform during half-time shows, same with Football. In Baseball is more conservative and old-school. That's the reason why many young Black Americans are not that into baseball nowadays. The mindset needs to change.

[Sexus]

This coming from a baseball player of many years, who specialized in and was rostered for pitching, catching, and third base, but who no longer plays or watches the sport (except with his kids, for fun): I agree with those who call foul on the idea of SJW/multicultural clash as the reason for the decline of the popularity of baseball. While I have no statistics, my gut feeling is that a stronger argument could be made for the decline as being attributed to the change from knicker-style uniforms to long-pants style. And then.... reaching into the hat and pulling out the alignments of the "fashion experts" who convinced MLB (in both divisions) to outfit the teams in the new duds.

[kaotic]

(10-06-2015 04:21 PM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

What I do mind is the antics, the lame celebrations from these Latino players and their lack of respect for the game and its rules that has given them everything. If you're coming into my house and not respect my rules, then gtfo! Anybody who respects the rules is welcomed with open arms.

I think of a few non latin players that have lame celebrations, same goes for Latin players that are leaders.

Like I said - this is a generational change more than racial.

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Is that racist to point out? Really? Then I feel sorry for you. People are too damn sensitive nowadays.

Sorry ? Sensitive ? Seriously ?

No ones offended, just calling you out on the fallacies of your arguments, you're really reaching for straws here. Maybe it's just me, but like I said you can find all sorts of players breaking unspoken rules.

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As a Black man, I know this first hand. The same thing happened to basketball in the 70s when ratings dropped because of the influx of Black players who would showboat, dunk, and treat the game as a joke, which disgusted mainstream America. Thank God for Larry Byrd who came in and restored ratings in mainstream America that made it watchable for fans of all colors later on, or else basketball would have been extinct.

Something about this just sounds self loathing, idk man. I get what you're saying this seems off.

Something similar is occurring in baseball now, but with no hope in sight of it getting better.

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Follow the rules, welcome aboard.
Don't follow the rules, then gtfo!

Rules are ever changing and being broken, if you haven't looked at our government lately. Come on now.[/quote]