[Roardog]

(09-28-2015 12:39 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Travesty, in your plan do you want to marry the mother of your kids or just long term dating and living together? I struggle a bit with all the stuff I read here. I don't mean that in a bad way. In the world around me I don't know many divorced couples. The parents I know are strong, good parents who take it seriously. But the stuff I read here really makes me think about worse case. I do wonder if my worse case thinking is going to damage a relationship early.

For example, she honestly would like something but I may think she is trying to game me. When really it is an innocent request. Not the best example. Or my prenup and asset protection plans just signal I think it will end.

Anyway, I am on team want to have kids just need a good mother and good person who knows life can be tough and doesn't quit at the first sign life difficulty.

I feel you on this. I am the product of a loving, stable home where my parents have been married for 30+ years. Everyone I grew up with came from a stable home. I didn't really know anyone with divorced parents until I went to university.
This makes me want the same thing for myself and believe that it is possible to achieve. However red pill philosophy counteracts this view point and makes me aware of the dangers of trying it and failing.

[Saweeep]

Kissing tells you whether you are sexually compatible with a chick.

The desire to impregnate tells you whether you are biologically compatible.

At least that's what I've always believed anyway.

[iknowexactly]

I'm getting near 60 and pissed I haven't been able to have kids, I only escaped full time work at about 55.

I've always wanted kids but the combination of money-worship and disdain for fathers in the First World led me to twisted values.

I've heard Camus said the only real philosophical question is whether or not to commit suicide, but I disagree-- it is whether to have children or not. You are already existant and doomed to die, the timing is trivial.

It is in your decision whether to have children or not where you make your statement: Is life worth living? Is it fun enough?

When I was in the Philippines one of the biggest things I learned was the people are not emotionally too sterilized and over -intellectualized to take joy in their children, to be open to the simple joy of being with their children. It's a very, very basic life skill that I had not really acquired in my life in the USA.

I was, and am, terrified of a brutal child support edict in USA. It's only because I'm relatively near death that it becomes less frightening. Being in the Cube all day every day sounds like horror to me.

But it seems so obviously logically that the primary purpose of existence is to procreate. Not that it's holy or following will of God or the like, it's just that the only reason you exist is that of your forebears IDK 100 million generations since the first fish crawled out of the water never missed. Not one in all those generations. ( 2 billion years divided by average species generation length of 90 days, wild ass guess)

More than anything else you are designed by trial and error to procreate. Reason and logical thought on the matter are merely a transitory illusion.

I told my co-worker who was trying to get pregnant, "You don't engage in the process of having children, you ARE the process of having children.

I'm scared of not having kids, even though I realize it has no significance in the cosmic scheme.

The goal of capitalism is to reduce all human interaction to the cash nexus. -- Leon Day.
( Ergo, import child production via cheap labor drones, max out use of skilled workers so they are too tired to have many kids.)

Extinction is forever. Child support isn't.

[iknowexactly]

(09-28-2015 05:24 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Kissing tells you whether you are sexually compatible with a chick.

The desire to impregnate tells you whether you are biologically compatible.

At least that's what I've always believed anyway.

Kissing-- Yes! Yes! There's a great pop song that expressed that wisdom.

There's some magic chemistry when you kiss certain girls, ah to be among those left living!!!

"(how 'bout the way he acts) Oh no, that's not the way
And you're not listenin' to all I say
If you wanna know if he loves you so
It's in his kiss (that's where it is)"

BTW-- Betty Everett-- WB.

[bacon]

As someone who has taught kids before I would advice all guys who think they want kids to spend some time volunteering or working with them to get an idea of what you will be dealing with. There are good and bad aspects to kids but giving yourself a trail run of spending time with them as an adult will open your eyes to these things and help you figure out if its something you want to do. To me the worst reason to have kids is for the purpose of continuing your bloodline so your genes/family name can be passed on; instead the best reason to consider fatherhood is if you really enjoy spending time with kids and want to help guide them into adulthood.

[EL CHAPO]

Any particular kind of girl you're looking at Roosh?

Latina, Black, Eastern European, American, Middle Easter or East Asian?

[Roosh]

(09-28-2015 01:18 AM)LINUX Wrote:  

(chart)

I'd love to see a picture of the guy who made that chart.

[Geomann180]

(09-28-2015 05:24 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Kissing tells you whether you are sexually compatible with a chick.

The desire to impregnate tells you whether you are biologically compatible.

At least that's what I've always believed anyway.

Sense of smell does the same thing, I think.

Most serious girlfriends in my life all smelled wonderful to me.

G

[rudebwoy]

Bacon - Looking after and being around other peoples kids is a lot different than being around your kids.

I fear more the system that is in place today to warp their little minds, the school system is my biggest concern. I totally disagree with the homo teaching they are forcing on kids in my area. I know their is a dark agenda in place when it comes to kidnapping kids etc, yes I know I am being a bit over the top with this.

I also see a lot of men knocking up women irresponsibly and then complaining because they have to pay support for 18 years.

I understand if some of you guys aren't ready, but at some point you will look at little children and desire one or some for yourself.

[Windom Earle]

(09-28-2015 08:50 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 05:24 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Kissing tells you whether you are sexually compatible with a chick.

The desire to impregnate tells you whether you are biologically compatible.

At least that's what I've always believed anyway.

Sense of smell does the same thing, I think.

Most serious girlfriends in my life all smelled wonderful to me.

G

This would be correlated to pheromones as well.

Slightly OT, but I've got a theory about unexpected whiskey dick (not attributed to alcohol, nerves, etc).

I think we subconsciously know, through visual cues and pheromones, if a chick is incompatible genetically for procreation.

This would explain poor performance with objectively hot chicks that can't be explained away by any of the usual reasons for going soft.

[Stirfry]

I am probably one of the older guys on this board, and a father. It's difficult to sum into words, and in this small space, what being a father means, but the one thing that sticks in my mind most is leaving behind a legacy. People here talk about the decline of civilization, and more specifically how we can do nothing to stop it, but the one thing you can control is your own children, by helping them grow up to be the best people possible.

There are many complaints about stupid, shallow women and their obsession with smart phones (a sentiment with which I agree, by the way) so I have encouraged my daughter to read and to be interested in literature and the sciences. She is now one of the smartest kids in her school, and I continue to take her to bookstores and let her buy anything she wants.

Men are not exempt from the distractions of pop culture and other frivolous activities either, so I take my son to soccer and lacrosse where he develops physically, learns strategy, and forms strong friendships with his peers. Most importantly, at least to me, is that he is kind and respectful, and one of the nicest kids you'll ever meet.

I am proud of my kids, and how they are turning out. Obviously that is not all my doing, but I will continue to guide them, and when I'm gone I will have left behind two intelligent, productive and kind people- my own small effort to halt 'the decline.' For those thinking about having kids, it's something to consider.

[CleanSlate]

Time to take stock of the votes so far.

Combining the yes votes and those who are already fathers, that's 67%.

Assuming half of the not sure's break into yes's in the future, that's another 11% into the fathering column.

That's 78%. This is remarkable given what the red pill has taught us, plus what we read in the Everything Else section daily.

[ElJefe1]

Mid thirties knocked up a chick when I was 31, just some random chick I was banging at the time (at times she makes you hate her guts, if your not with them that's what they will do) with that being said I'm glad we aren't together and I have my freedom to go where I want when I want. I'm away for 3 months at a time go back get an AirBNB for a month kid stays with me I take her to school, dance etc and it's actually a really enjoyable time. No matter how careful you think you are at selecting they will always turn out to be atkeast a bit midnfucked (search YouTube hot/crazy matrix). The goal is to try to have as much contact and spend as much time with the kid as you want and still enjoy your life (for me that's traveling and banging young hot chicks). Now that I've had a kid I really appreciate it but I'd probably go crazy with a wife, white picket fence non-sense but I'd feel a bit empty without her.

[Windom Earle]

(09-28-2015 10:15 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Time to take stock of the votes so far.

Combining the yes votes and those who are already fathers, that's 67%.

Assuming half of the not sure's break into yes's in the future, that's another 11% into the fathering column.

That's 78%. This is remarkable given what the red pill has taught us, plus what we read in the Everything Else section daily.

Also doesn't account for those already a father and wanting more kids, which would bump the percentage up even higher.

[Fortis]

Interesting! I"ve been finding that whenever I'm really attracted to a chick in china I almost always walk past her and, after noticing her body, The most immediately thing I notice is how great she smells. Looking back before china, I can think of at least 3 girls I've been with who just smelled amazing to me for some reason or another. Thanks for shedding light on that.

(09-28-2015 08:50 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 05:24 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Kissing tells you whether you are sexually compatible with a chick.

The desire to impregnate tells you whether you are biologically compatible.

At least that's what I've always believed anyway.

Sense of smell does the same thing, I think.

Most serious girlfriends in my life all smelled wonderful to me.

G

[Col. Tigh]

Being a father is the best part of my existence. The satisfaction and (forgive the cliché), yes, joy I receive trump even the thrill of new sexual conquests--really. I don't regret having my children, not even for a moment. Indeed, the only regrets I have in connection with fatherhood stem from my desire to be around them more than I am currently able.

That said, my cooze-houndery has continued. The drive for swiving new, fertile women proceeds unabated. But in my old age I have grown crafty in maintaining a "secret harem" while coming home to my loving wife and mother of my children. Based on other threads I've read here, many would condemn me as a hypocritical monster for staying married while laying outside pipe. But it works for me and my family situation, and I don't believe it is an inherently unethical activity for married men with a normal craving for a varied sex life. I will say that I went through an extended period of time, over a decade, of remaining monogamous as my children were born and when they were very young--and I don't regret that time, either (it was worth it to establish a rock-solid early life for my kids in their tender years).

My point being, there is a tendency to view child-rearing and family life as being mutually exclusive with Game and slaying tail. This is not necessarily the case, if you are careful and determined in your pursuits. And having children is a part of being a man that I would go as far as to say is necessary to realize one's full masculine potential.

[Roosh]

(09-28-2015 10:15 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Time to take stock of the votes so far.

Combining the yes votes and those who are already fathers, that's 67%.

Assuming half of the not sure's break into yes's in the future, that's another 11% into the fathering column.

That's 78%. This is remarkable given what the red pill has taught us, plus what we read in the Everything Else section daily.

In a battle of nature versus nurture, nature always wins. No logical anti-kids or anti-family argument can beat a man's intense natural urge to procreate, especially considering that he comes from a line of male descendants from the first man who have never failed to reproduce.

[el mechanico]

Quote:

male descendants from the first man who have never failed to reproduce.

Never thought about this. I'd be like WTF reading that if I didn't have a kid already.

[debeguiled]

(09-27-2015 08:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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That said I have a date with a 26 year old careerist blonde chick I want to bang the day lights out of tomorrow and another little cute German blonde exchange student in text from day game. Neither are mother candidates. Should I drop them? My penis has a gun to my head and I'm sweating.

In my shoes...

No to the careerist girl. Probably already ruined, toxic womb, on birth control, etc.

I was made aware of another issue with these career woman while listening to a Alison Rosen podcast. She is a Hollywood podcaster who got fired as anchor from the Adam Carolla show who is around 40 and still thinks she will have a talk show one day.

She recently got panic-married to an obedient dude, and has been trying to have kids, and she and a female guest (don't remember episode) were talking about how weird it felt to be trying to get pregnant after all those years of pregnancy being the worst thing they could think of.

Imagine that. These older, and even slightly older career women have spent all their fertile years hypnotizing themselves to abandon their natural procreative urges, so that when the time comes to give birth, even hoping for it feels totally unnatural to them.

[Lothario]

I have kids and love them, It is an absolute joy to watch them grow and entertain and amaze me and the wife.

I said this at the Montreal and Toronto Lecture that I am a strong proponent of procreating and all the rest of us should propagate and pass our red pill genes and reproduce as many as we can, If we don't we will be an extinct specie.

It is understandable why the young players would be aversive to getting married and having kids with divorce laws etc in the western world. The solution is to travel and find the feminine species in the conservative societies where Patriarchy is still alive and procreate with them fine specimens but that is not a cup of tea that many can stomach either.

I have met young members who came to the conclusion with experience that in western hemisphere girls with some value are found in conservative circles Orthodox Christians, Jews and Muslims etc. Religion at it's extreme might be evil but majority of it is certainly the lesser evil.

My 2 cents are to find the best mate possible and procreate.

[jariel]

Marriage and fatherhood discussions have been on the rise in this community, I'd say for at least the past year or so. It's an interesting trend that I think we'll continue to observe.

I won't speak for other people because I can only speak for myself given that I'm having a certain experience that most men are not having.

What I've noticed is that a lot of my college buddies have been hitting me up over the past few years, they've gotten married, had children, bought homes, etc. and when you're leading the life that I'm leading, which is the antithesis to all that, I believe it's natural that you take a second and reflect.

Ultimately, I don't have any regrets and I don't want their lives because I have made choices that have led to me having the life that I'm having -- the life you're leading is the life you want, in one way or another. I'm sure some of you guys have had the same thing happen, friends hitting you up and letting you know the directions their lives have gone, and you do a quick mental comparison, and maybe ask yourself, "Am I missing out?"

Married men always try to convince their single friends that their lives are better. I have one friend who makes a conscious effort to do that, then when he comes to visit me in Miami, he's the thirstiest guy in the club, like he's on a furlough from jail.

I've given my own life meaning and that's simply by doing the things that I want to do, living the life I want to live. I think some people, men and women, use having children as an excuse to give themselves some kind of value in this world, and that's fine, but I'm going to continue to try to do better than that.

I'm not going to say that I'm never going to get married or never have children, but if it does happen, it will happen on my terms, which will include me feeling that the women I'm with is someone who I'm comfortable with viewing as my family, someone I'm comfortable with introducing to my family, someone who I can be proud to say is the mother of my child and if I die, I can be confident that my kid has a good mother. That doesn't have shit to do with how fine she is, how bangin' her body is, how good her pussy is, whatever, I'm in a place that's full of pretty faces, fat asses, and good pussy, but the women are horrible human beings.

There's no such thing as a "natural urge" to have children, because if that were the case, then we'd all have it, and it's quite clear that we all don't.

Live the life that you want to lead, if you want to be someone's husband, do that, if you want to be someone's father, do that, but hopefully you're doing it for the right reasons, and hopefully you're going into it with your eyes wide open, instead of fantasizing some shit that's seriously the realest shit you'll ever do.

100.

[EL CHAPO]

How many kids do ya'll recommend?

[Saweeep]

(09-28-2015 12:41 PM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

How many kids do ya'll recommend?

As many as you can afford.

If it weren't for the prohibitive cost of education, I'd have loads already.

As it is, I have none.

[RouteBackwards]

(09-27-2015 08:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

In the past year, I've been getting strong urges to impregnate women, to the point where I no longer trust myself to be careful during sex. When a girl told me the other week that she would keep any baby if I accidentally impregnated her, I became more interested in her. An accidental pregnancy in the past would have been a nightmare scenario, but now I wouldn't mind it as long as the girl wasn't a slut.

I think this is happening for a couple reasons:

1. My resources are secure enough to raise a kid (in Eastern Europe)
2. I'm getting older
3. I see more value in family than before
4. I'm bored of sterile interactions with women

I'm not the first one to have this "problem": thread-7138.html

Anyone else been bitten by the urge? I know in the manosphere it is said that having children is "slavery" or something similarly negative, but it's getting harder to deny my natural urges to have them. I set up a poll above to get an idea where the forum stands on this. I know several guys are already dads.

I do have this urge. I've also lived with my girlfriend for a relatively long period of time, and we have a very stable home financially. However, I have held off for time-related reasons, but I do know that this is something I do want in the near future. I think it is a male urge to want to pass down wisdoms that you have learned over your lifespan to another generation. I think some men who are surrounded by their sisters children or children who are not their own probably do not have this urge as strongly since they are satisfied with having some influence. However, I myself don't see my sisters children that much, and thus find myself more enamoured by the idea of having an offspring whom I can model myself to, and actively engage in experiences with.

I do find a lot of the manosphere semi-against fatherhood, but I think there is much to learn from it, but that inevitably can make or break some men. I myself am good with children and find an intellectual curiosity in seeing them learn their world and engage in experiences that seem so mediocre to yourself. So for that, I think it's an urge of many men to embark on this sort of route.

[BiggNastee]

There's no question. If I was born in the 50s and at my age of 24 I would most likely have at least two kids by now. As is the 24 year old me in 2015 is unsure how to fulfill that desire without fucking myself over.