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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

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Saint Louis, Missouri

This data sheet is for folks on the forum who are stuck here due to reasons out of their control i.e. job or family.

-Now I know what you are thinking... "But STL is a 2nd Tier City". Well my friend, thats exactly true (it might even be a 3rd tier?). But hear me out.. Folks in the forum like to point out how valuable 2nd Tier cities abroad are compared to be overwhelmed and anonymous in a 1st class city (Chicago, SF , LA), however I would argue that Saint Louis is a bit of a hidden gem because it has not been completely overrun quite yet. Things are changing by the month and I certainly see more hipsters and shaved head girls in certain areas but by and large the deep seeded southern tentacles will have impacts for decades to come. Now I can't guarantee you will come here and pull tons of notches...but I will argue that you will get lucky and find a few nice midwest girls who will be up for cooking for you. As with anywhere, the upper echelon circle girls are tough to crack and you need high SMV to penetrate those. People here do tend to be a bit more clickly with friends from highschool that they only hang out with, but things are again changing and areas are popping up that promote quality mingling. There are however, many many many 7's and low 8's to go around for everyone! If you actually look on a population map, we are the most populated with women heading west until you get to LA. This makes the numbers game a bit more in your favor. Not to mention you don't need near as much professional game as you do in a city like LA to pull numbers.

I know STL has had a lot of negative press lately and not many forum members would consider this a good spot to come fly into and game, however I think it is a bit underrated and easily accessible because of its central location.

Logistics : In terms of logistics, this is one of the worst cities in america. Uber and Lyft (all ridesharing services) have been banned at the moment because of politicians and taxi cab commision blatant corruption. What a joke. You need a car or you can potentially take our "subway" train but it is indeed limited.

Lodging : Airbnb is fine and you can find hotels im most areas for about 130 a night. Not great but not horrible.


Sight seeing : The arch, city museum and forest park are decent for daygame.

Day game spots : Now of course this is all IMHO: This is a little known secret- Head over to Wash-U library and blend in. There are tons of smart, highly educated girls attending one of the smartest Universities in the US. This could be possible downtown at SLU as well but I personally havent done it.
Forest Park- This is I believe the largest (or 2nd Largest) park in America and there are usually fit - attractive midwest women running around the track. They are hard to stop in mid-stride but if your lucky, you might meet some who are having a picnic at the History Museum.
The loop- Good for seeing some local talent... hard to game tho and most people are there with friends already but they are just walking up and down the street with not much to do except eat and act like they are shopping.

Cherokee Street- This is where you increase notch count and right now it is the wild west pioneer area of the city. Very up and coming and anything can happen.

The grove- Have increased notches nicely here and is known as the "progressive LGBT" area and I am glad we have it. It is inviting and all the bars are close together which makes logistics easier. Try Atomic Cowboy, Handlebar, UCBC (beautiful space), or even Siam if you are bored.

DT Clayton- tons of rich MILFs and working ladies. Difficult to stop them on the street but can be done with a nice opener. Again, Density is always low throughout the city but if the stars align, you can see some stunners.

DT Saint Louis (by the arch for the folks unfamiliar) - Daygame is decent here. Try to find some people visiting to see the arch or the cardinals. Also try some of the new co-working spaces like T-Rex or Wash Ave. Again hit or miss.


Nightlife spots :

Central West End- Hoyty Toyty but girls are dressed sexy and ready to mingle. Still hard to pull.

Wheelhouse Downtown- This is the holy grail. Girls come from all sides of the rural missoura and across the river in illinois from small rural towns to let loose. This place is relatively new and isnt ruined yet but getting there. The music sucks lately and quality has gone down a bit.

Soulard- Mcgurks is decent


Ease of Approaching: Girls are relatively friendly here. They have decent midwest attitudes.

Prices: Things are pretty cheap compared to the rest of US

Women: All types. Saint Louis has the largest Bosnian Population due to STL accepting record numbers from the war.

Pros: Everything is cheap, its not over-run with tourists and is 2nd-tier in a good way.

Cons: Conservative, stubborn, proud women who are in the mid level looks range. A bit difficult to get around but can be conquered.


Overview: Come at your own risk but know if you can stay for a while be it a month or two you can and will pull flags. No you will not get killed or robbed... it is the perception of crime.

Please feel free to add anything I missed or counter anything ive said. I apologize for any grammer or spelling mistake as im writing this from work and wanted to get it out.

Best,

Kale
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

Columbia, Missouri is 1000 Times better in my opinion when it comes to Girls because its a College Town (Mizzou). I personally thinks St. Louis sucks badly and I lived there for a Year and still work there til this day. I moved to Columbia which is about an Hour and a Half drive from STL and trust me on this the Women here are worth the trip. However everything you've wrote I would say is pretty accurate. But now I've gotten to the point when a Guy Friend wants to visit I tell them come to Columbia, When a Girl Friend comes then I take them to STL. Now I'm in no way trying to disprove anything you're saying but I think if we're talking about "Girls" then its no contest Columbia Wins!! More stuff to do like Tourist Crap, Restaurants, Bars, Clubs and Downtown then Yea STL wins overwhelmingly!! I will try those Day Game Spots you mentioned though, thanks for those Tips!!
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

St. Louis has a pretty cool Mardi Gras celebration I used to go to when going to college down in Central Illinois. It's not a bad city, easy on the wallet but it most definately is a 2nd or 3rd tier city.
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

Quote: (10-14-2015 02:36 AM)Guanaco Wrote:  

Columbia, Missouri is 1000 Times better in my opinion when it comes to Girls because its a College Town (Mizzou). I personally thinks St. Louis sucks badly and I lived there for a Year and still work there til this day. I moved to Columbia which is about an Hour and a Half drive from STL and trust me on this the Women here are worth the trip. However everything you've wrote I would say is pretty accurate. But now I've gotten to the point when a Guy Friend wants to visit I tell them come to Columbia, When a Girl Friend comes then I take them to STL. Now I'm in no way trying to disprove anything you're saying but I think if we're talking about "Girls" then its no contest Columbia Wins!! More stuff to do like Tourist Crap, Restaurants, Bars, Clubs and Downtown then Yea STL wins overwhelmingly!! I will try those Day Game Spots you mentioned though, thanks for those Tips!!

Your spot on Guanaco. I love columbia with all my heart. I completely agree with you that for the most part St. Louis sucks badly. Has it still been super easy for you to pick up in Colombia because some girls will question why you arnt in college. Sometimes you still need to penetrate their social group. But I hear a lot of folks go to Colombia College and swoop miz girls at different bars. Id love to live out there also but not sure how folks support themselves out there [Image: banana.gif] Shoot me a pm if you dont mind- I'd love to take a trip to Colombia but usually don't make that drive because I don't know anyone. Good to know a fellow forum member is "abreast" of things out here in the rust belt
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

I've only been out twice since I moved here in August so I haven't picked up anything yet but to be honest I never tried either. But I do think your right that its not that easy if your not in school like them and yes they do tend to stick to themselves and their groups but I'm sure once the Drinks start flowing they'll loosen up. The Bar Scene is very good here though, you will see 9 and 10's every time you go out. Yea there isn't much out here and I also wonder the same thing about how the people that live here do it.
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Saint Louis, Missouri - The HeartBang of America 2015

Yea Jamaicabound, I've never been to their Mardi Gras thing here. I used to live in New Orleans so that's always a serious Party but I'm sure STL's is a much tamer version. I think STL has a lot of potential its probably just a matter of finding those places like Kale mentioned. But I have never been impressed with the Women I've seen here in STL, could be because I never looked too hard but it has disappointed me a little.
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