[mntrsx]

From what I read on this forum I got the feeling that you should never get married, and those who get married regret it eventually. But what if you want to have a family, be a father, should you still wait and why?
If you have a wife material girlfriend that does what you tell her, cooks, admires you, then what next? what is the final goal?

[QuietDog]

(09-13-2015 06:45 PM)mntrsx Wrote:  

From what I read on this forum I got the feeling that you should never get married, and those who get married regret it eventually. But what if you want to have a family, be a father, should you still wait and why?
If you have a wife material girlfriend that does what you tell her, cooks, admires you, then what next? what is the final goal?

I think that's up to you to decide my man.

Also, if you do decide to have kids and a family its not like you need to get official state sponsorship for that (aka marriage). Just do it, if that's what you really want and don't involve the government at all

[LINUX]

Some wolves are meant to conform to the pack and do what everyone else does , some wolves are meant to lead the pack, some wolves are meant to leave the pack and go their own way in survival. No one can tell you what kind of wolf you are. You eventually figure it out. There is no right or wrong answer.

[amusedmastery]

Don't even think about it until you're in your mid 30's and reach your peak SMV. At that point you'll have a better understanding of women through the spinning of many plates. You'll start to unravel the code in their matrix by then and you should have established frame and maturity.

At this point you need to find a woman with a low notch count (good luck), no kids (good luck), and in her early/mid 20's that has traditional values, does not resent those values, is feminine, loves children, cooks, is not a social media attention whore (good luck), and wants to complement you as a traditional wife/mother. I speak from experience here at 40....Be exceedingly careful when marrying Western feminist propagandized women. Even if they say they aren't, the hiveborg culture has been hammering at them since preschool and the media programming is incessant. I'm pro marriage but have seen EVERY single one of my friends get detonated and taken to the cleaners for HALF and pay extreme child support while the ex's shack up with multiple dudes that help support them. You can lose your children at the whim of a woman who decides "I'm bored" or "I'm not happy". And then she's got half and your kids. Your paycheck can and will be garnished and you will most likely lose your house while some dude she's banging now moves in.

Be careful man....Read Roosh, Rollo, and Roissy (search function for marriage) and see what's going on with married men around you. You may think NAWALT and it won't happen to you, but the divorce rate is 60% (I think it's higher) and 70% of those are initiated by women. My advice....Wait til mid 30s and find an HB 9 Eastern European woman with strict upbringing. No guarantees but the divorce rate is waaaay lower with them.

Bottom line, marriage is what we're hard wired for but you better be careful in this culture. Good luck.

[Remington]

(09-13-2015 07:48 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Some wolves are meant to conform to the pack and do what everyone else does , some wolves are meant to lead the pack, some wolves are meant to leave the pack and go their own way in survival. No one can tell you what kind of wolf you are. You eventually figure it out. There is no right or wrong answer.

Stolen.

[Phoenix]

When you find a woman you're satisfied with.

[HenryM]

Yeah, wait 'til you are you are in your late 30's at least. You will then have access to women a lot younger where it is (at least) plausible you will sustain some sexual interest in her over the long haul because of the age difference.

Never say never, but sounds like the forum has done its job in imbuing you with the *extreme prejudice* you should put on the scale in terms of not getting married.

I'm in my 40's, living in DC, glad not to be married--plenty of bangs available. Neo-masculinity is the way to go--work out, improve yourself, if you want to get married offer to a traditional girl (ex-Mormon or immigrant?) a life where you lead.

[General Mayhem]

(09-13-2015 06:45 PM)mntrsx Wrote:  

If you have a wife material girlfriend that does what you tell her, cooks, admires you, then what next? what is the final goal?

The point of marriage is to secure a woman to be the mother of your children.

Therefore, don't get married until you plan on having kids.

You also don't want kids until you have built yourself up financially. That is why you wait for marriage until your mid 30s.

[mntrsx]

I was born in Eastern Europe and lived there many years. The divorce rate is very high there, the women are whores and seek for a provider. Don't think it's better there. Russia is even worse. The Russian bitches see you as foreigners with money, but as soon as you marry them it will be the same as in the western world.

Fuck it, I want to be a father and Im not going to wait till 40. Only a 20 years gold digger whore will marry to a 40 years old dude.

[Windom Earle]

3 years after the fallout of a horrible first marriage and a concerted effort to self improvement in every facet of my life since then, I feel that I'm ready to settle down again with a woman and have a family.

Not to get all new age, but I'm a believer in the universe presenting you with what you need - when you're ready (you just have to be receptive to it).

Case in point: a while back I took the virginity of a sweet, genuine girl 14 years my junior (I'm mid 30's). Needless to say, she is not from a Western country. She's ticking all the right boxes for me so far in terms of a marriage prospect (and mother), but I'm keeping an objective/rational approach to the whole thing.

I'm only ready for this now, because I've gone through my hedonistic phase whilst concurrently building myself up again financially post divorce.

It's time to put some roots down and invest my energies into building a family. If done right and with a red-pill mindset, I think that the rewards that come with it are necessary for true fulfillment in life, something that can't really be quantified and the end-game for most players.

If it all turns to shit, well, then I have the skills to rebuild.

[Laner]

There is no 'right time' to getting married. To put it bluntly, if you have to ask that question it means that you are not ready.

Marriage- even common law- is the most financially risky endeavor a man can make. But like most financially risky moves, marriage also has benefits.

There seems to be a lot of talk about just shacking up and having a family, no wedding, no license. Sure, but it still leaves a man exposed to all the downsides of marriage.

A wedding ceremony takes a lot of heat for being 'for the woman' but look at it from a mans point of view for a second. If you are getting married, it should be to a woman who has all her family on her side. This means she has a tight family where her father is the one giving her away. All the women in her family are putting the fear of God into her even through all the tears of joy.

The groom is a pillar of power, his best men surrounding him also putting fear into her. Imagine walking down the aisle being led by your father, who puts you alone into the midst of a group of men, all looking down on you. These are the men that will give their lives to you in worst case scenarios, but will also stand for none of the your bullshit (or shouldn't).

The benefits of marriage are that two people are held responsible by friends and family to making such a large decision, and are therefore not as likely to call it quits for no reason. And make no mistake, marriage is for having a family. Otherwise there is no point.

So as for the right time, its more about the right person. Wait until at least 30. Early to mid thirties is perfect especially when raising kids. Money is not the biggest issue, kids are not that expensive unless you want them to be. Being financially secure happens regardless if a man keeps his goals and vices in order.

Also be sure to marry someone who is able to function inside a business type environment. Much of marriage with kids is about efficiency and roles. This means marrying for a hot piece of ass and endless sex is doomed to failure. Be attracted sexually, of course, but keep this lower down on the list than you normally would.

[mntrsx]

I'm in my early 30s and have a girlfriend for almost 5 years. The only reasons not to marry is that I don't like her family and her friends and it's not possible to travel alone anymore. Another option is just to make a family in a 3rd world country without any risk.

[Laner]

(09-14-2015 03:03 PM)mntrsx Wrote:  

I'm in my early 30s and have a girlfriend for almost 5 years. The only reasons not to marry is that I don't like her family and her friends and it's not possible to travel alone anymore. Another option is just to make a family in a 3rd world country without any risk.

Not sure I understand? Why is it not possible to travel alone anymore? This has nothing to do with marriage or girlfriends.

Be honest about why you don't like her family. If it has anything to do with them not liking you, then that is up to her to remedy. If you don't like them because they are a bunch of degenerates then this should raise caution in your you.

And saying " just to make a family in a 3rd world country without any risk" is completely naive. There is no such thing as making a family without risk, 3rd world or not. Family is about sacking up to the risk. Dragging on relationships with women for years without seeing a future is just plain pussy. Let her go and just enjoy bachelorhood then.

A girl from Manila or Moscow could fuck your life up just as much as a girl from Milwaukee.

[amusedmastery]

Then why are you asking? If you know you want to and know your hesitation as well...BTW, you can still date 20 something's in your 40's. You'll see.

[A guy from Ocllo]

(09-13-2015 06:45 PM)mntrsx Wrote:  

But what if you want to have a family, be a father, should you still wait and why?

To your question, a question: why would you want to have a family and become a father in the first place? What's your reasoning?

I think it's important to understand why certain people want to become fathers and husbands so early on in their lives.

[Turkish Republican]

EE girls are just as likely to cheat on you as the girls from the west. It's all about the personality of the girl, I believe there are decent girls out there. I'll get married when I find a girl who is 7 on a looks scale with good personality + hasn't ridden the cock carousel. There is no real way of knowing the carousel part tho, that's why social circle game is crucial.

[Benson]

NEVER

[LeeEnfield303]

The 12th of never.

[nek]

(09-13-2015 07:48 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Some wolves are meant to conform to the pack and do what everyone else does , some wolves are meant to lead the pack, some wolves are meant to leave the pack and go their own way in survival. No one can tell you what kind of wolf you are. You eventually figure it out. There is no right or wrong answer.

I couldn't help myself

[Rawmeo]

When you find a non-western woman who has no kids, cooks, massages you, doesn't ask to see your phone, can support herself, and isn't an obstacle in any projects you are starting.

[Lothario]

(09-13-2015 07:48 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Some wolves are meant to conform to the pack and do what everyone else does , some wolves are meant to lead the pack, some wolves are meant to leave the pack and go their own way in survival. No one can tell you what kind of wolf you are. You eventually figure it out. There is no right or wrong answer.

That's top notch LINUX. Putting this piece of Literature in my signature.

What you wrote resonated well with me, I move in and out of all three states and it's hard to put this wolf in one boxed state of mind.