I stop reading at "women say"
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Quote: (09-12-2015 11:32 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:
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The dad bod craze is not about physical appearance or a man's body type. With the exception of a few deviants, most girls are not going to say the guy whose body looks like really beat mashed potatoes is hotter than the guy who looks like a fucking Greek god. What they're really saying is, I'm attracted to the human version of a melted ice cream cone for the same reason I like getting all my life advice from Elite Daily articles: it's easy, it's all about me, and it tells me exactly what I want to hear. It's an attraction to the physical manifestation of complacency.
Quote: (09-13-2015 09:07 PM)RexImperator Wrote:
I recall that video posted by Zelcorpion of the jacked guy walking around painted like the hulk, and his friend with a dad bod, talking to girls... One girl said she would not consider the dad bod for a ONS but would consider him for a LTR.
It's interesting how men and women are kind of opposite on this. (Higher/lower standards for hookups vs. relationships.)
Quote: (09-12-2015 10:48 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:
I've noticed that quite a few girls have told me they prefer chubby average-looking guys over ripped ones. Has anyone else noticed this? Is this just a case of everyone liking different things or are there other,more ego-attacking reasons why a woman would say such a thing?
Thanks
Quote: (09-13-2015 09:07 PM)RexImperator Wrote:
I recall that video posted by Zelcorpion of the jacked guy walking around painted like the hulk, and his friend with a dad bod, talking to girls... One girl said she would not consider the dad bod for a ONS but would consider him for a LTR.
It's interesting how men and women are kind of opposite on this. (Higher/lower standards for hookups vs. relationships.)
Quote: (09-16-2015 05:34 AM)H1N1 Wrote:
To play Devil's Advocate on this, along the lines Civpro is suggesting, I would personally say that a lot of the guys I know who get laid a lot are what I'd consider chubby. Obviously the definition varies, depending on your personal standards, which makes meaningful distinctions hard. However, most of the guys I know that are slaying it are rugby player types/bouncer type physiques. These guys aren't fat by any stretch, but they are probably carrying around a stone of fat more than they 'need' to, which I'd consider chubby.
These are the guys who are sinking 20 pints or so on a weekly basis, but who train and don't let themselves go to shit. They won't take anyone's breath away with their shirts off, but with clothes on, they look like big, strong, reasonably athletic dudes. This, and the ability to really get loose, is more like catnip to a chick than the good looking ripped guy who looks smaller in his clothes, even if he is carrying more LBM.
For example, I am currently 6'1, 13st11 with veins starting to show through on my abs (I have to be very lean for ab vascularity ~10%bf). I have no doubt that I would out-pull these guys on a beach somewhere, but you have to consider your environment. It's 3 years since I was last on a beach, I live in the South of the UK, and in public would usually be wearing a shirt or very occasionally a t-shirt. Consequently, I have no doubt that if I simply at until I had a stone of spare weight distributed across my body (including the half stone or so of muscle that would go with that), I would probably get more attention from girls, as 15 1/2 stone at 6'1 suddenly makes you a pretty big bloke. If my main physique aim was to get girls, I would put on some fat now to improve my success rate.
Size is king if you look like the kind of bloke who knows how to use it.
Quote: (09-14-2015 11:51 AM)MrXY Wrote:
Quote: (09-13-2015 09:07 PM)RexImperator Wrote:
I recall that video posted by Zelcorpion of the jacked guy walking around painted like the hulk, and his friend with a dad bod, talking to girls... One girl said she would not consider the dad bod for a ONS but would consider him for a LTR.
It's interesting how men and women are kind of opposite on this. (Higher/lower standards for hookups vs. relationships.)
Exactly, and this is a fascinating observation to me, one that I first saw pointed out by a commenter on Private Man's blog.
The subset of women that a man will have casual sex with is much larger than the subset of women he would marry, because the standard is naturally lower since he's just looking for sex and is not required to invest resources in her.
But for women the subset of men that women will have casual sex with is much smaller than the subset of men she would marry. She will have casual sex only if the guys sexual attractiveness traits are so high she does not require any exchange of resources by the male for her to give sex in return. All she instinctively wants from the casual sex guy is his genes.
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I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.
At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.
I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.
I date average women.
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Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.
I still date average women and now some cute women
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“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.
I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.
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Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay. I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.
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OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).
Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.
I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomalie.
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When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)
Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t… she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.
One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday…
One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.
Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.
Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.
I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, “I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!” But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)
Quote: (09-13-2015 12:36 AM)Menace Wrote:
When women say X, X is irrelevant. When women do X, then you can pay attention.
Quote: (09-12-2015 10:48 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:
I've noticed that quite a few girls have told me they prefer chubby average-looking guys over ripped ones. Has anyone else noticed this? Is this just a case of everyone liking different things or are there other,more ego-attacking reasons why a woman would say such a thing?
Thanks
Quote: (09-16-2015 09:30 PM)Tactician Wrote:
I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, “I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!” But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)
Quote: (09-19-2015 04:49 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:
Someone on the forum referred to it recently as being Swolested by women.
Quote: (09-19-2015 10:47 AM)easternwomenrule Wrote:
Women also prefer nice guys over bad boys!