[kamoz]

Long-time lurker, low-count poster, and new to game as well, but I wanted to share my experience for all the other new guys out there and provide at least a datapoint. The purpose of this thread is to demonstrate the application of multiple concepts scattered throughout the forum.

Although I'm new to game, I have steadily taken the red pill over the years. And just like any practical skill (i.e. gaming women) theoretical knowledge peppered in goes a long way.

I decided to undertake no-fap. After a couple of spread out, failed segments of 3-4 days or 1-2 weeks, I finally lasted about two and a half weeks - the longest I went perhaps ever since I started fapping, which is a long-ass time. It's actually not that bad if you don't look at porn or touch your dick AT ALL. Something happens if you edge even a little bit. It's like it extracts just enough sperm from your balls and fills the pipelines which then congeal and rapidly lead to blue balls. If you don't do it at all this never happens and you will only feel blue balls at like 1-1.5 weeks and if you get over that hump you're basically home-free.

As many have said, you're ready to fuck anything at a moments’ notice. It's also like you see the matrix, the green code you know? So what happened was that this girl who I've known for several years and very occasionally talk to, messages me out of nowhere when it had been a long time since we last talked. Mind you we've never dated or fucked, except I've tried to fuck her a couple times in the past unsuccessfully. She never friend zoned me, but she always found an excuse not to fuck me. I would find out from this experience that she didn't want to fuck me before because I used repulsive beta blue pill game even though she found me attractive. Did I also mention this woman is engaged…?

The second I saw that text I instantly told myself "she's DTF." How did I know? Male instinct, I swear watching porn and fapping suppresses it. I engaged in a crude form of text game. If I were to describe it from a high level to you guys, basically think of a Panzer division pulling blitzkrieg. You're constantly advancing at all costs, but you're smart about it. What do I mean by advancing in terms of text game? Basically going from texting to selfies to nude selfies and building sexual tension for, and arranging, the meetup. What can slow the advancement? Basically girls wanting to talk about bullshit like career, family drama, boyfriend, or in this case her fiancé. If a girl does this do not get discouraged brothers - press on, but be smart about it. Don't say "I don't care show me them titties bitch", instead just talk about it a little bit, and if she drags on for more than a few messages pivot back to your advancement, i.e. "That sucks but focusing on it will not help anything - so what you doin’ today?"

I was eventually able to pull nude selfies from her. Now was the time to advance for a meetup. I knew it was gonna happen even though she threw up defenses before sending nudes, and I knew the defenses would be stronger for a booty call. Remember guys, and I can't emphasize this enough – she was ENGAGED! But if you understand red pill, that shit DOES NOT MATTER. Back to arranging the booty call... As has been mentioned elsewhere in the forum and Roosh's articles, girls need changing dynamics to keep their vaginas moist. This is an example of applying that theory. Essentially early on in the interaction you want to be relentless like the Panzer division. However as the interaction matures, back off a little bit and let her chase you. In terms of text game, just don't respond if she sends a vague or bullshit text message that doesn’t go anywhere. I did this and a couple hours later she said, "so you're not gonna send me one [a nude]?"

Now a quick word on dick pics gentleman. I'm sure many of you know this, but as a man who didn't understand very basic things at one point, I just want to mention this for those that might not know - this is the newbie forum after all. Girls are not attracted to an up close picture of your dick and hairy balls. In fact, I don't really care for an up close picture of a vagina - I want to see the woman's body and shape. Same with women. Advice for pic: trim/shave, get hard and throw it over the bathroom sink to make it look bigger, include your torso, soft lighting etc.

It went over well with her and she made sure to let me know. At this point it was time to finalize the meetup. This is where you go back on the offensive and go in for the kill. Now she was throwing up defenses left and right, everything she had, "I have such and such tonight" "I'm engaged!" "I have such and such tomorrow" "we can't do this!" Smash through those walls like the fucking kool-aid man. If you haven't busted in a couple weeks - you'll know what to do.

I’d also like to add something else – I’m currently unemployed and living in my mom’s basement, so guess what? I didn’t have a place to bang her, AND I didn’t even have to drive my ass to see her - she picked up me up! I ended up getting the SNL, and actually never had one before, this was my first one. So what are the takeaways from this?

•Red Pill & The True Nature of Women: Just because a woman is in a relationship, engaged, or married with children does not mean shit, especially in today’s society. This is not by any means intended to suggest that you should go out and game women who are in relationships or marriages and try to be a homewrecker, but if a woman is expressing interest in you even though she is in a relationship/married do not think that she is simply being playful or whatever. She is interested, and if you don’t give her dick someone else will. As Roosh has stated throughout his writings, the girls he/we bang are already sluts, we are not by any means turning them into sluts. You are merely capitalizing on the effects of modern-day feminism instead of being part of the majority of men who are on the losing end – and there is no in between. What this also goes back to is never EVER judge a woman by what she says. It means absolutely nothing. Many times in the interaction you will literally find yourself ignoring what she says and continually doing your own thing. It feels unnatural, almost like walking onto an invisible bridge like in Indiana Jones, but it works. In fact, in some ways it turns women on since it shows dominance.

•Modification of Behavior: This relates to red-pill above. Basically there are probably a number of women in your life who are willing to have sex with you, but if they don’t, it’s probably because your behavior is repulsive, beta, and blue-pill. Also women are emotional beings with little to no logic. In this instance, this girl wouldn’t fuck me in years past even when she was single, but once I modified my behavior she fucked me when she was engaged. Go figure.

•No-Fap: I know there are those in the no-fap thread that say no-fap is absolutely insane and that they still have success with women, etc. I’m not refuting those claims by any means. However, what I am saying is that everyone is different. I believe that those who have marginal success with game and who masturbate frequently will find significant success by undergoing no-fap. You might as well change another variable and see if it works right? The Roosh Program™ also recommends this – do it!

•Escalation of Text Game: Every interaction is different, and I am by no means an expert in this arena. However, I have found that I’ve had the most success when I don’t stress over details like timing my responses. In this case, success was an SNL, other times it’s just a date or simply the girl not going radio silent. You want things to flow naturally. If you play hard to get too soon, she will probably lose interest. If you respond to her normally and she goes radio silent, then she probably wasn’t all that interested in the first place anyway. So why stress over details at all? Respond normally at first, and if that means responding in under a minute if you’re not busy, go ahead and do that. Just remember to always keep your eyes on the prize and have each text message serve a purpose in advancing your cause – don’t waste your own time. Be a man on a mission. As the interaction matures, don’t feel like you have to respond to every single thing she says like a sucker (because she WILL know).

All in all this goes back to fundamentals laid out by Roosh and others throughout the forum, articles, and videos. This is an example of my success by applying these techniques, and all the more reason for those who have not done so yet to do so.

[Fightersword]

I'll say that I feel like text game has changed a lot since the old guard was talking all about timing out texts and such, and I've observed a lot the same as you. So long as you're not clearly beta in your texting it's usually a good idea to do when you have their ever fleeting e-attention in my experience. Obviously this is girl dependent, but when a girl has a thousand other guys on Tinder or where the fuck ever spamming the hell out of her then it's often wise to get the stuff banged out before her attention jumps back over to them. That's also why I so much prefer Same day dates (though who wouldn't? But you get the point)

A lot of people I know are against no-fap, betas and non betas. I find it makes me feel great and much more productive in all areas of my life, so I try to no-fap and keep any streak breaking confined to right before the weekend, so I don't have to be productive or social anyway (this is assuming I don't have a date. After all if I do why would I streak break).

the main takeaways I'd point out in this post for any newbies trying to gather knowledge from it are these.
1. Try out no-fap, it'll probably help you (that should be the most obvious one)
2. Your mood and sexual appetite is extremely related to how well you do when gaming. That's part of the greatness of no-fap, since you'll be ready to fuck anything and generally in a more energetic mood all the time.
3. Initiate and initiate some more. You have to push the interaction forward, and bash through barriers girls set up to make you falter. You can kiss/lay a girl in an hour that other men wouldn't for months just by knowing how to push and keeping pushing. (of course, know when to stop pushing forward too, but that's a given)
4. Just because you read it in a book/blog post from the old guard, don't expect it to apply to every situation you have. There's genius advice and guidelines in there of course, but rules and guidelines are made for breaking occasionally. Knowing when to do so will separate you from the average man. That takes experience moreso than anything, but don't be afraid to experiment. If you mess up a lay, then that's just a lay. if you happen upon a golden tactic, that's likely to land you several lays.
5. Not all women are the same, but they're all similar. This is why so many game tactics work on so many women. Good game appeals to things they can't control.

And I'll throw in one for good measure

6. Game is in many ways defined by being ahead of the pack. The ones most successful are the ones who start a good tactic first. Notice how nightgame has had its downturns over the years, but was at first one of the first places a lot of people would go. As nightgame became so popular with men and venues turned into cockparties, it became a lot harder to pull women. This doesn't mean you can't score with nightgame of course (far from it), but that the greatest rewards lie in the unknown and separating yourself from the pack. As daygame becomes more popular it may hit a similar transformation and loss of effectiveness, though maybe not to the same extent. Standing out (in a good manner) affords you a lot of value.

By being apart of this forum one gains access to advice and secrets that won't become mainstream for likely a long time. That in itself is an edge up that can't be overlooked.

[redbeard]

Good post. Strong example of what happens when you stop overthinking, quit making excuses, and play the game.

Keep the progress up.

Now stop saying "selfie."

[Sancho]

This is probably the most convincing post to support NoFap I've ever seen.

The fact you took the time to write up a long post about it tells me it was all worth it.

[XPQ22]

(12-22-2016 05:16 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

•Escalation of Text Game: Every interaction is different, and I am by no means an expert in this arena. However, I have found that I’ve had the most success when I don’t stress over details like timing my responses. In this case, success was an SNL, other times it’s just a date or simply the girl not going radio silent. You want things to flow naturally. If you play hard to get too soon, she will probably lose interest. If you respond to her normally and she goes radio silent, then she probably wasn’t all that interested in the first place anyway. So why stress over details at all? Respond normally at first, and if that means responding in under a minute if you’re not busy, go ahead and do that. Just remember to always keep your eyes on the prize and have each text message serve a purpose in advancing your cause – don’t waste your own time. Be a man on a mission. As the interaction matures, don’t feel like you have to respond to every single thing she says like a sucker (because she WILL know).

Yes. These days that "time out the responses" stuff I pretty much reserve for girls who I've already had a couple good dates with (i.e. sex or pretty close to it) and I'm trying to keep her on the line for more by not being needy. Girls I've been seeing for a while I pretty much do whatever seems correct at the time via text: if she's eager one day and wants to be chatty I'll be chatty, if she's aloof the next then I'll go do my own thing and not stress over getting back promptly.

In the initial stages however I think it's best to strike while the iron's hot: young women just have too much attention blasting in from all sides to always make at least what I would consider the right call.

I can't tell you how many Tinder and OKCupid bangs I've probably lost because I had a girl chatting with me who was enthusiastic, sometimes even pitching the meet idea herself, and by the time I get back to the text with a response even just four hours later (because I have a fairly mentally-demanding job and have to like, actually work and not have my phone glued to my hand all goddamn day) she's as ghost as Yasser Arafat.

The sadly amusing thing is that some of these "girls" aren't even girls at all, they're fucking 35!

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Red Pill & The True Nature of Women: Just because a woman is in a relationship, engaged, or married with children does not mean shit, especially in today’s society. This is not by any means intended to suggest that you should go out and game women who are in relationships or marriages and try to be a homewrecker, but if a woman is expressing interest in you even though she is in a relationship/married do not think that she is simply being playful or whatever. She is interested, and if you don’t give her dick someone else will.

Don't I know it. I went back to the cribs of two girls this year after a "good date" cuz they were down to step up the action, and oh shit whose men's shoes are these? Oh we're going to bang on the couch in the living room, I see. Ah, you're "poly." You've got a copy of "The Ethical Slut." I see, I see.

These girls can be easy lays as they're usually under the gun, but sadly not useful for much other than a ONS. For my part if a girl tells me she's already in some kind of exclusive relationship prior to the bang I am out as there are too many girls who aren't in the world to deal with it. If she only tells me afterwards in the fashion of serious sociopathic behavior as one hottie did I am also out, as a chick who could lie to your face about that could lie to you about absolutely anything.

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Basically going from texting to selfies to nude selfies and building sexual tension for, and arranging, the meetup. What can slow the advancement? Basically girls wanting to talk about bullshit like career, family drama, boyfriend, or in this case her fiancé.

I don't usually do the selfie-trading stuff. I traded naked pics once or twice with iGirls and when I met them in person it didn't strike me as making the process particularly any easier than with any other girl. One I didn't manage to lay on the first date and she just ghosted on me like any other girl.

I've never noticed pre-date phone calls to make a whole lot of difference either, in fact I think they've actually hurt me more than helped. Girls who want to talk on the phone before the meet are IMO ambivalent about dating to begin with, and I think there's a strong undercurrent of thirst and neediness to it; that a guy would actually take the time out to accommodate her silly "you might be a serial killer but if I talk with you for a half-hour I'm going to be safe" rationalizations.

Maybe it's a different jam when trying to pull girls who are already, ah, in a "situation", or with girls from the past who you already have some interactions with, or with younger girls who are obsessed with selfies and such things, but I try to keep pre-date texting to a minimum.

Sometimes girls want to BS a bit about their work or family drama a bit on the date and that's okay, it's just the usual "get to know you" stuff that comes with running conversation/bar date game and is straightforward to play to the left. If a girl I've never met before is trying to engage with me like I'm their therapist via text then I usually make the assumption that she's not much interested in banging, that it's going to be an uphill struggle, and usually disengage. YMMV.

[kamoz]

(12-22-2016 09:59 PM)Fightersword Wrote:  

3. Initiate and initiate some more. You have to push the interaction forward, and bash through barriers girls set up to make you falter. You can kiss/lay a girl in an hour that other men wouldn't for months just by knowing how to push and keeping pushing. (of course, know when to stop pushing forward too, but that's a given)

Very good point. A girl at most will throw you a bone in the form of a smile, a text saying 'what's up?', or something else along those lines. Typically it will be nothing at all. It's up to you as a man to take it and run with it, and find the balance and optimization of when to push and when not to.

(12-22-2016 10:03 PM)redbeard Wrote:  

Now stop saying "selfie."

Duly noted!

(12-23-2016 02:11 AM)Sancho Wrote:  

This is probably the most convincing post to support NoFap I've ever seen.

The fact you took the time to write up a long post about it tells me it was all worth it.

I think the key benefits that no-fap provides are identification of IOI and persistence. Both fundamental elements of male sexuality. Previously I would have never thought that out-of-the-blue text from her meant anything, but no-fap coupled with some basic understanding help me identify that it was. The relentless, aggressive persistence was fueled exclusively by no-fap. And man did that bust feel good. You also have A LOT more cum to work with so when you bust on her body part of your choosing, she'll be impressed by the amount.

(12-23-2016 01:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I can't tell you how many Tinder and OKCupid bangs I've probably lost because I had a girl chatting with me who was enthusiastic, sometimes even pitching the meet idea herself, and by the time I get back to the text with a response even just four hours later (because I have a fairly mentally-demanding job and have to like, actually work and not have my phone glued to my hand all goddamn day) she's as ghost as Yasser Arafat.

The sadly amusing thing is that some of these "girls" aren't even girls at all, they're fucking 35!

This. Just recently on Tinder I had the exact same thing from two over 30 single moms . Very chatty, enthusiastic, swapping pics, and the beginnings of arranging a meetup. I didn't even have a several hour delay necessarily. I think it's just more of them finding something shinier and running it with it.

(12-23-2016 01:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

You've got a copy of "The Ethical Slut." I see, I see.

Just Googled it. Man what has this world come to

[_nick1_]

What is your text game like? I have trouble getting to the point of getting pics, I think I might over think stuff, and worry they will say no. How do you hint at it?

[Slam]

This is a good post. I totally agree, everyone should try to do NoFap & NoPorn, especially for a period of 4-6 months or longer. Don't knock it until you've tried it (with good success).

[Ethan Hunt]

(01-21-2017 04:21 PM)_nick1_ Wrote:  

What is your text game like? I have trouble getting to the point of getting pics, I think I might over think stuff, and worry they will say no. How do you hint at it?

If she has told you that she's going to some kind of event that gives her the opportunity to dress up in the near future you can ask her to send a picture of herself there. It is very easy to ask a girl if she has any plans and find out what they are. I had one the other week who is from an ethnic background and was attending a wedding where she would be in traditional dress. I told her to send me a picture of her having fun there and she did. I was able to confirm that she is who she says she is.

[fiveminrule]

(01-25-2017 09:45 AM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 04:21 PM)_nick1_ Wrote:  

What is your text game like? I have trouble getting to the point of getting pics, I think I might over think stuff, and worry they will say no. How do you hint at it?

If she has told you that she's going to some kind of event that gives her the opportunity to dress up in the near future you can ask her to send a picture of herself there. It is very easy to ask a girl if she has any plans and find out what they are. I had one the other week who is from an ethnic background and was attending a wedding where she would be in traditional dress. I told her to send me a picture of her having fun there and she did. I was able to confirm that she is who she says she is.

I think he meant how do you get to where you are successfully receiving nude photos, I would also like to know your approach

[McCarthy]

I keep failing at no-fap.

I am going to give it a try.

New’s year resolution:
Gym CHECK
no-fap ONGOING.

[Vill@in]

(12-23-2016 01:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I can't tell you how many Tinder and OKCupid bangs I've probably lost because I had a girl chatting with me who was enthusiastic, sometimes even pitching the meet idea herself, and by the time I get back to the text with a response even just four hours later (because I have a fairly mentally-demanding job and have to like, actually work and not have my phone glued to my hand all goddamn day) she's as ghost as Yasser Arafat.

Add me to this list of believers that texting back as soon as you can is critical. Like you and the OP mentioned, these girls are getting HAMMERED on all sides by horny guys, so their attention span is limited. If you have it, hold on to it as long as you can and make an impression. Set up a meet ASAP as well. Until you actually get that face-to-face meeting, you're just beta fish #3345397 trying to suck on that nipple. You are easily forgotten and easily replaced.

[kamoz]

(01-25-2017 11:53 AM)fiveminrule Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 09:45 AM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 04:21 PM)_nick1_ Wrote:  

What is your text game like? I have trouble getting to the point of getting pics, I think I might over think stuff, and worry they will say no. How do you hint at it?

If she has told you that she's going to some kind of event that gives her the opportunity to dress up in the near future you can ask her to send a picture of herself there. It is very easy to ask a girl if she has any plans and find out what they are. I had one the other week who is from an ethnic background and was attending a wedding where she would be in traditional dress. I told her to send me a picture of her having fun there and she did. I was able to confirm that she is who she says she is.

I think he meant how do you get to where you are successfully receiving nude photos, I would also like to know your approach

Ethan Hunt actually lends a good suggestion. In the scenario I described in the original post I eventually just said "what are you doing?" she said "at work" and I said "send me selfie." You could change that up any number of ways, or even throw in a "pics or it didn't happen" kind of thing to make it more casual/funny. What this morphed into with me was sort of turning texting into snapchat. So throughout the day she either voluntarily sent me pics or I asked for them. Eventually these pics turned nude. The only girls that will send you nudes right off the bat are whores which will be easy lays (if you have the right game), and most of the time they will send you one from their huge collection right away if they like you and you've hinted at it in any sort of way (i.e. "so what that booty do tho?" yes that has worked for me in the past). However, most girls aren't outright whores and require some work. So moral of the story when it comes to pics and text game is to have some sort of 'lead-in' with something casual and then work towards nudes.

Oh and another thing related to this that I learned. Don't voluntarily send pics to girls if they haven't asked for them unless you have Greek God-like physique, which in that case will only serve to speed up the lay by wow'ing her. You want her to get to the point of asking you for pics as a display of interest - even if it only happens after she sends you a hundred pics of her tits and ass. Girls think way differently; as a guy, if you dish out a pic you sure as shit expect one from her because all you care about is seein' dat azz. The girl mostly just cares about validation/attention whoring. If you can get her to the point where she's finally interested in you showing off those Calvin Klein boxer briefs, that's your in right there.

[rainy]

Interesting. I put little stock in text game. Have little time to play games. I'll text back and forth a few times then say, call me between this time and that time. If they don't, they're ignored. If they call, you've got their attention and have separated yourself from the pack as most guys don't have the balls to talk to a girl on the phone anymore.

Once you get them on the phone it's incredibly easy to get a date. There's no time to sit there and make excuses. If they don't call and I ignore follow up texts, that either peaks their interest and they almost beg to see you or you receive nothing and just move onto the next.

But as a kid of the 80's and 90's, we always called. Young cats now don't know how and don't see the upside to it. I have a theory that that's partly why some of these youngsters struggle approaching and in face to face situations. Don't know how to talk anymore and hold a conversation.

[kamoz]

(01-26-2017 01:55 AM)rainy Wrote:  

Interesting. I put little stock in text game. Have little time to play games. I'll text back and forth a few times then say, call me between this time and that time. If they don't, they're ignored. If they call, you've got their attention and have separated yourself from the pack as most guys don't have the balls to talk to a girl on the phone anymore.

Once you get them on the phone it's incredibly easy to get a date. There's no time to sit there and make excuses. If they don't call and I ignore follow up texts, that either peaks their interest and they almost beg to see you or you receive nothing and just move onto the next.

But as a kid of the 80's and 90's, we always called. Young cats now don't know how and don't see the upside to it. I have a theory that that's partly why some of these youngsters struggle approaching and in face to face situations. Don't know how to talk anymore and hold a conversation.

There's a lot of truth to the last part of your post. Being in my late 20s, I'm at the age where anyone older than me is all about calling and talking on the phone, and anyone younger than me just wants to text. This is overwhelmingly true for girls and a little bit for guys as well. If I try to call a girl that's younger than me they would decline the call and then text me "what's up?" and turn the attempted phone conversation into a texting conversation. For all intents and purposes, if you want to game girls in their mid 20s or younger, phone game is extinct.

[rainy]

Phone game might be extinct for girls under a certain age but these male pussies who literally can't hold a conversation in the real world are going to have real long term repercussions.

It's not just about game, overall this younger generation is socially awkward and doesn't understand the most basic concepts of human interaction.

The ability to walk up to someone you don't know, shake their hand, look them in the eyes, introduce yourself and carry on a dialogue is a much needed skill in life. And if you can't handle a phone call you're not going to be handle the above.

[DrCotard]

Great post. Thanks for sharing your experience with No Fap.

[_nick1_]

I just started snapping a girl who sent me bra snaps first snap lol. I have been snapping her just making conversation, what is a good way to escalate it?

[Ethan Hunt]

(01-25-2017 11:53 AM)fiveminrule Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 09:45 AM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 04:21 PM)_nick1_ Wrote:  

What is your text game like? I have trouble getting to the point of getting pics, I think I might over think stuff, and worry they will say no. How do you hint at it?

If she has told you that she's going to some kind of event that gives her the opportunity to dress up in the near future you can ask her to send a picture of herself there. It is very easy to ask a girl if she has any plans and find out what they are. I had one the other week who is from an ethnic background and was attending a wedding where she would be in traditional dress. I told her to send me a picture of her having fun there and she did. I was able to confirm that she is who she says she is.

I think he meant how do you get to where you are successfully receiving nude photos, I would also like to know your approach

So she complied with the basic request and sent a picture ideally with her face in full clothes. This starts the process off. You have a number of options to get her to send you a more racy picture later on. Send this message "beautiful i bet you hiding a sexy lil body under there"

If she's interested she will either respond in one of two ways.

-Flat out send you a more racy picture, i.e. underwear or more. After all her ego will want to prove you right.

OR

-Respond with a flirtatious message.


If she's not interested she will either say a polite thanks or ignore you completely.

[mrman848]

I tried this no-fap thing.
I started having more motivation to go talk to women. ....but the disappointment when rejected over and over was rougher than when I did fap. Obviously when gaming you get used to rejections but striking out everytime is rough with blue balls.

[kamoz]

(02-05-2017 02:17 AM)mrman848 Wrote:  

I tried this no-fap thing.
I started having more motivation to go talk to women. ....but the disappointment when rejected over and over was rougher than when I did fap. Obviously when gaming you get used to rejections but striking out everytime is rough with blue balls.

I totally agree and know where you're coming from. For those of us who fapped almost daily it is not practical to stop cold turkey, so I actually recommend against it. The reason why is relapses are more severe and then you'll dive right back into it. It's more reasonable to wean yourself off by going a set period of time and fapping once to alleviate the blue balls. Currently I can go about 2-3 weeks max if I haven't looked at porn or had a woman close to me. At that time I start getting blue balls and just have to rub one out.

However, I struck out not too long ago with a girl. I was at her place but I couldn't close. Guess what, even though it had only been a couple days since I fapped I'm getting blue balls. By day 3 after it got pretty consistent so I just rubbed one out to make it go away. I don't think this is something to get discouraged about, just limit yourself. Once every 3 days is good, and you'll notice that by day 3 or so that your game is a little tighter. You can also time it so that day 3 or whatever your max is ends up being around the weekend or some party that you intend to game at. Also don't forget online game - this is basically all I use and it gets me great leads. See this thread: thread-45167.html