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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men
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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

Quote: (08-27-2015 08:02 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2015 07:44 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2015 12:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

The "men" in the pic at the top of the article.

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It's telling of the situation that the picture used to emphasize a shortage of men has 4 times as many "men" in it as women.

What I see is 4 men wearing messenger bags(male purses) and a woman wearing a blue dress(a traditional male color).

And the decision to shoot it from a low angle, so that the men look much shorter than the woman.

You're right about the tricks they played with the photo and I know we're on the same page, but just in case you got the wrong idea of what I was getting at, I thought I'd take a moment to expand.

My point when I say that the ratio of fairies (hence me putting "men" in quotes) to woman in the pic is "telling" is that there is no shortage of men to date, as the article implies. The real problem, as most of us already know, is that modern society and the crushing of masculinity is turning men into the opposite of what women actually find attractive (i.e. the half queers in the pic above), at least in the cities. Creating an ironic situation where women feel there is a lack of men when there really isn't at all - there's really just a lack of the characteristics they are successfully stomping out of modern men.

What I meant to say in not so many words is that from feminine, esmasculated men to guys who prefer to bang and move on, women have largely created and are perpetuating the situation. As a whole, and whether it's their fault or not, they are their own worst enemy in the U.S. dating markets, and this pic, which I guess they meant to be funny with, is a fantastic metaphor for that. None of this is news to us, which is why I didn't bother to elaborate. It's just very telling is all.

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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

Also if look closer you'll see that she has about 6" of different colored roots showing in her hair. Clear indication that she's letting her appearance slip because she's not trying to impress a man. Yet she's complaining about no men? Entitlement?

Where is her purse? The staple of female status and fashion? I guess she doesn't need it because she's independent and liberated. Plus she has 4 gay handmaidens to carry her tampons and make up in their messenger bags.

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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

Quote: (08-27-2015 09:41 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2015 09:02 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2015 07:44 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-27-2015 12:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

The "men" in the pic at the top of the article.

[Image: single_main1a.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1]

[Image: jordan.gif]

It's telling of the situation that the picture used to emphasize a shortage of men has 4 times as many "men" in it as women.

What I see is 4 men wearing messenger bags(male purses) and a woman wearing a blue dress(a traditional male color).

Venturing briefly off topic since I was looking at this matter a few days ago.
How the hell is a guy on foot supposed to be carrying things (documents, tablet, laptop, whatever) around without either using a messenger bag (which some men, possibly women as well, still consider "gay"), a backpack (even a nice leather backpack is likely to make you look like a tourist or backpacker, or just a bit of a dork) or a briefcase (only really works for people who are suited up for work)?

I'm looking into messenger bags at the moment. Seems like the over all best option out of several bad ones. So far I've usually been using a casual gym style backpack or duffel bag when I need to bring something with me around town, but it looks even more casual and touristy in my opinion (or if you're lucky, like you might actually be on the way to or from the gym, but not so much if you're strolling around with them in a mall or on the way to a café).

I've actually thought long and hard(excuse the pun) about this issue.

Here's what it is. In a city like NY status is everything. So a man carrying a messenger bag, laptop backpack or similar is seen as "working class" or gay. The true alphas of the city don't need to carry anything. They wander the city in nice suits with nothing but a big gangster roll of cash in their front pocket.

Women fill their purses with things to handle many different situations because they never know when they'll need something. So when you're carrying a bag full of crap you're emulating a female. ie.....big turn off.

When men need something they just whip out some cash and buy it.

So true. Let me provide two examples.

1. When I worked for the government, the state senators and governors never carried anything...that was their staff assistant's job.

2. When living 'downtown' and we'd go out to the bars after work those of us that carried nothing either had all of their stuff at their downtown office, in their car in a ramp or in their nearby apartment. The students and interns that had no car or proximity to downtown were the ones with messenger bags and backpacks. At most I carried a leather folio with a tablet, paper and business cards in it.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

What, no lumbersexuals? [Image: lol.gif]

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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

Quote: (08-28-2015 12:11 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

What, no lumbersexuals? [Image: lol.gif]

They live in Brooklyn. And it's pronounce "gay".

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Quote: (08-28-2015 02:01 AM)Tactician Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2015 01:55 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

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The grand irony of all is that these women have a limited window to even lock down a quality man. At 22 they are hotter than they will be at 25. At 28, the underwater sonic music is playing before the wall hits.

(...)



This quote accompanied by the Sonic music belongs in the RVF hall of fame.
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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

Quote: (08-28-2015 12:11 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

What, no lumbersexuals? [Image: lol.gif]

Fucking lumbersexuals. They are a disgrace to actual loggers. If I walked around in a set of racing coveralls would people ask...Oh is that the new fashion style? No...they'd wonder where my car was. So why the shit do they dress up like 1890s pioneers?

Maybe its a subtle way to make dick jokes...like wearing skinny jeans, an 1890s beard and a flannel shirt without being an acutal logger or outdoorsman just means that you do all of your log handling at the blue oyster on 3rd shift.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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The students and interns that had no car or proximity to downtown were the ones with messenger bags and backpacks. At most I carried a leather folio with a tablet, paper and business cards in it.

My own experience is that, as an post-grad intern, I had a (what I thought) high-status black leather soft Attaché case, but as I worked in the adult world and developed my style I stopped using the case entirely. Most work is done via email, bringing papers home is frowned upon because of security risks, etc., and as was said, status-holders do not normally have to carry things.

On the other side of the coin, dude with some game awhile back told me the larger the bag the women carries, the less hot she is, from sorority hottie in tight black dress with tiny evening clutch, to the middle-aged "comfortable shoed" woman with her giant reusable shopping bags, to the ne plus ultra deranged bag lady with her stolen rusty shopping cart.
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NY Post article a shortage of (alpha) Men

If I have to visit a client or am going to a networking event, I'm a flash drive, business card, Waterman pen (received as a gift, they're very cool) kind of guy.

Regarding the picture, a not-so-subtle message that New York is overwhelmed by a bunch of hot women where the men literally don't measure up.

I picture the dumpy semi-fatties reading it and thinking "that's so me!".

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“None of this would matter if we were open-minded about who we dated,” Birger says. “The problem is, Americans — both men and women — have become more rigid about dating across socioeconomic boundaries.”
To find a mate, college-educated women should consider dating working-class men. “In the future, we’re going to see more of what I call ‘mixed collar’ marriages,” Birger says.

Wrong. Men don't care about 'socioeconomic boundaries', or not nearly as much as women do. And to find a mate, college educated women should use that education to figure out that desirable 'working class' men aren't too different than desirable 'white collar' men. All want fit, attractive, kind, pleasant women.

College-educated women who are single should also use that education to figure out that if they're perpetually single, they need to literally look in the mirror and stop blaming men. Take some responsibility, again use that education to figure out what men want and become that woman.

Or don't, enjoy your cats. And to be honest, I enjoy watching the train wreck called "unattractive, obnoxious women complaining about where are all the good men" that is constantly playing in our media.
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The amount of gold in this thread is staggering.

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Quote: (08-28-2015 06:23 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

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The students and interns that had no car or proximity to downtown were the ones with messenger bags and backpacks. At most I carried a leather folio with a tablet, paper and business cards in it.

My own experience is that, as an post-grad intern, I had a (what I thought) high-status black leather soft Attaché case, but as I worked in the adult world and developed my style I stopped using the case entirely. Most work is done via email, bringing papers home is frowned upon because of security risks, etc., and as was said, status-holders do not normally have to carry things.

On the other side of the coin, dude with some game awhile back told me the larger the bag the women carries, the less hot she is, from sorority hottie in tight black dress with tiny evening clutch, to the middle-aged "comfortable shoed" woman with her giant reusable shopping bags, to the ne plus ultra deranged bag lady with her stolen rusty shopping cart.

Back when the Heartiste blog was called "Roissy," he wrote a post saying something to the effect of: the larger the bag, the more demanding the woman. Or "the larger the bag the bigger the drama queen." He also said the same thing about earrings -- big hoop earring, specifically.

There's probably some validity in this. I think the same goes for big hair or what I call "glossy hair," meaning that very processed look a lot of upper class women go for.
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I do not see any man, only 4 boys.

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He also said the same thing about earrings -- big hoop earring, specifically.

There's probably some validity in this. I think the same goes for big hair or what I call "glossy hair," meaning that very processed look a lot of upper class women go for.

Street calls 'em "ho hoops".

I bet "glossy hair" ('salon selectives', I call it) is an attempt (pointless) to cover up the loss of lustre, as I (men?) can roughly but accurately tell a woman's age by just her hair.
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Quote: (08-26-2015 02:25 AM)Tex Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2015 11:00 PM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2015 09:01 PM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

The issue is standards. 5/10 average chicks think they deserve 6-figure, 6-pack male models with sense of humor, pecs, kamasutra skills, huge bank account, etc. They're not willing to settle with average 5/10 men who are nice because those guys are "boring." Eventually these chicks hit the wall and then jump into the loving arms of some sexually frustrated beta orbiter. If women had realistic standards, even Manhattan girls could get wifed up easily.

Here's the major problem - those 5,6,7 girls have those standards because they have been fucked by alpha guys. They then equate that as a 'relationship' because they were pumped and dumped by them- they then think they could just as easily lock them down. There-in lies the challenge, and eventually they do and will settle for something much less than what they experienced already. Alpha widow 101

I think a lot of that has to do with the importation of "masculine" culture to women. Society takes the old attitude of men accomplishing things by getting notches, and tries to instill that attitude in women.

So these girls are being conditioned into thinking that they are the ones who are locking people down and accomplishing things by fucking lots of people. The issue with that is they then misconstrue being pumped and dumped with having actually wrapped up a valuable partner through some kind of virtue other than having a warm vagina.

The simple fact is that women, in this "hook-up culture" we have now, are the commodities--not the players fighting over them. The sex drive for men will force them to fuck a greater variety, and we can do so without damaging our psyches in some fundamental way. Not so for women. And women don't get that--they think they did something special by fucking a guy a league above them.

They then take that as a sign that their value is higher than what they think, which circles on back to an even bigger issue--women these days are being trained to construe every shit quality and every random situation as an indication of high value, whether they fucked an alpha, or they're dumb, fat, slutty, lazy, nagging, annoying, anti-social, etc.

The proportions of bangable girls are thinning so much, women's sexual ethics have depleted so drastically, and their sense of worth has become so ridiculously inflated that relationship dead zones are starting to pop up. No one should be surprised that women are complaining about a shortage of men.

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For women, however, the longer a girl settles for casual sex as opposed to a long-term relationship, the more chance she has of ending up alone.

There's a shortage of men who think it makes sense to not play the field. Why would you settle down with a girl in one of these dead zones? Why would you settle with a slut with an inflated ego? It just makes no sense. And it's almost impossible. The match ups just don't happen with these people.

It's not all negative. Guys like us can and do get way more action this way. But there's entire pockets throughout the West where relationship material is so hard to come by that you can chalk it up as non-existent.

There are actually a lot of guys who follow feminine rules, in the 'say' side of the "watch what she does, don't do what she says" meme. A lot more than I think we tend to realize. I think this is why there are so many beta orbiters out there.

I also think there are far more betas who simply give up than we think. I have been stuck in a small town in the south for the last few years after living right off a college campus in a medium sized city. While I spent some time growing up here and my family is here, it sucked when in HS and sucks even more now that I am older.

First, you get a lot of the hotter girls moving away for college and then not moving back. A lot of the guys stay, this already creates a sausage fest. Then of the girls who stay, they are usually pretty fucked up, though some are smoking hot, in some way. The hot ones may be single mothers but usually they are just crazy and have some addiction problems. The less hot ones are divorced, some multiple times by the time they are 25 believe it or not, and most are fat and will often times have kids.

What is some guy, even a college educated guy with some game, to do when there is probably 7 out of 10 younger people, say below 30, are men and of that 30% that are women maybe 5%, being generous as fuck here, are anything remotely resembling fuckable 6s or 7s?

If you are one of the guys who has your shit together, you pretty much have to lower your standards if you want to get laid. This is obviously going to cause even the slightly chubby 6's to have an inflated ego. All you have to do is go to a Walmart on a Friday night and you will see plenty of guys in their 20s who are in shape, though they may be dressed as a bit blue collar, walking around with girls at least 3 points below them on the X/10 scale and that again is being generous. There are plenty of normal looking, again usually blue collar looking too, guys walking around with fat asses who would be generous to be called a 3. Hell, it isn't that uncommon to see these guys with a girl who obviously has some other guys kids. Think a white couple with one or two mixed kids. They aren't any where near wealthy or waspy enough to be adopting some baby from Africa. Lol.

So, if you are in this group, and this seems to happen a lot outside the cities and major metropolitan areas, then what can you really do?

Well, I often find myself down at one of the local gas stations buying beer at around the time shifts get out at the industrial park and it is obvious that these guys simply get off work, buy some beer and snacks, and then go home and play video games. I have even seen it inside and outside the city, though those guys look to have a higher standard of living and prefer to spend their weekends engaging in outdoor activities and look to get the occasional notch from time to time.

I guess my point is that the vast majority of 'manchildren' or even omegas aren't fat ass shut-in losers like David Futrelle. Most are simply normal guys who have either been pushed into a scarcity/dead zone or got fed up with the sexual market and decided to say fuck it and enjoy their free time as they see fit. Hell, to a degree I am in that spot myself right now.

Quote: (08-27-2015 07:38 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

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Scientists have known for decades that wives are usually the ones asking for a divorce. But Rosenfeld’s study also surveyed people in non-marital romantic relationships, from casual flings to couples who had lived together for several years; in those relationships, women and men initiated breakups at equal rates. So there’s something about marriage that makes it harder on women.

Unfortunately, these "scientists" fail to cast aside their political beliefs, and thus damage their ability to do science.

Data: non-marital relationship break-ups initiated equally; marital relationship break-ups initiated by women. Obvious conclusion: women benefit from breaking marital relationships more than men.

Pay no attention to the common sense in the room. Don't let it disturb your beliefs.


Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. Am I really supposed to believe that the majority of men, with 80-90% of men being betas or lower, are dumping women. Unless you are a complete omega on the autistic spectrum, your average mid-level beta will still probably have two relationships or more and probably one more notch from a one night stand or hook-up on by the time he is, say 23-27 (even if he is a bit of a late bloomer).

At least that is what I see. Even the guys I have known that didn't seem to get any in college still got a girlfriend in grad school or in their 20s and most got at least 3 or 4 notches by their late 20s once they filled out and matured a bit. They may have been banging 4s and 5s, but still. Even more, from what I have observed it is almost always women breaking things off.

I know that there are natural players who are constantly breaking girls hearts. We all probably knew of a few guys like that in HS or College, but surely they can't be numerous enough to cause parity between the numbers considering from my observations women are the ones, in one way or another, breaking it off about 90%+ of the time.
Quote: (08-28-2015 11:10 PM)CRR Wrote:  

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“None of this would matter if we were open-minded about who we dated,” Birger says. “The problem is, Americans — both men and women — have become more rigid about dating across socioeconomic boundaries.”
To find a mate, college-educated women should consider dating working-class men. “In the future, we’re going to see more of what I call ‘mixed collar’ marriages,” Birger says.

Wrong. Men don't care about 'socioeconomic boundaries', or not nearly as much as women do. And to find a mate, college educated women should use that education to figure out that desirable 'working class' men aren't too different than desirable 'white collar' men. All want fit, attractive, kind, pleasant women.

College-educated women who are single should also use that education to figure out that if they're perpetually single, they need to literally look in the mirror and stop blaming men. Take some responsibility, again use that education to figure out what men want and become that woman.

Or don't, enjoy your cats. And to be honest, I enjoy watching the train wreck called "unattractive, obnoxious women complaining about where are all the good men" that is constantly playing in our media.

Again, I don't know about that. I have seen quite a few young guys mention education. I don't know how much of this is them just signaling what they think others around them want to hear in this pc hell hole of a society or is genuinely what they want due to indoctrination or what.


I have seen many guys in the sphere, both here on the forum and especially over at heartiste, say something along the lines of the following: Women are like water, they assume the shape of what they are placed in. The idea being that men need to be strong and rigid to get women to be feminine.

I think that is true, but I think that is largely true based on the caveat that you either have to be alpha or approximate alpha by maintaining frame using game. So, for the 80%+ guys out there who are beta, this really doesn't apply.

I would say that there is a corollary to this. And that is that beta males are like water in the example and women are the cup or bowl or whatever. There are a lot of guys who, I guess they maintain or shape themselves based on projected female sexual and social ques.

Granted, I think a lot of this comes from mothers and teachers and the media instead of female peers but it is there none the less.

I first remember seeing this in my early 20s. I had just gotten out of a relationship with one of my HS crushes and it was so fucked up that I was in the mind set that I didn't ever want another relationship again. I just wanted to hook up and get laid. Unfortunately a number of my male friends were in the "I want to find a gf like my dad did in college, marry by 25, and start a family by 30...just like my parents" mindset.

It kinda blew my mind at the time. But it does make sense in a way. Maybe a better example would be how we view age differences between couples these days.

At some point, speaking as a millennial in America here, we all bought into the idea that guys should date girls no younger than about 2 years than themselves and vice versa for women. Any guy, especially in HS and post HS and even College, who went beyond the 2.5 year mark was seen as approaching pedo territory. Even in HS when the relationships, especially with the more conservative and Christian kids, involved nothing more than making out or if you want to get scandalous a blowjob. Now, it makes sense to a degree. Especially for seniors in HS dating middle schoolers but it still seems a bit strange that it carries over more most of the population into their adult years even though the gap widens by a few years.

Now, on the reverse side we all, from my experience, seemed to understand that a guy in a lower age range scoring with a girl in a higher age range was punching up and was the man while that girl was often seen to be on the lower end of the beauty scale or at least punching down. I lived that myself as a boy in 9th grade who hooked up with a junior.

Why is that? I don't think this is completely evolutionary or genetic, though it definitely is to a degree, considering that it used to not be all that uncommon for the age gap in adults to be much more than 2-3 years without being seen as exploitive.

If anything I think this is larger a female driven trend, pushed heavily by feminists, due to feminism pushing this as a sexual trade union arrangement. Men go along with it because they expect that if they are good beta boys then they will get rewarded with sex and relationships at some point and the truth is that many of them do, or used to, after the girls get their 'bad boy years' behind them. It is the same thing with education being prioritized with a lot of middle and upper middle class college educated millennial guys.

Interestingly enough some of the biggest fucking hypocrites out there are the type of guys who push this shit. I have known more than one baby boomer who actively pushed this 2 year age difference but they themselves didn't apply the standards to themselves. One is actually my dad, he met my mom while working on his phd while she was in undergrad and my mom went on to help push feminists causes on campus like how teachers shouldn't sleep with their students because it is predatory. They have been married for like 40+ years.

Another example is with a creative writing teacher I had in HS. He was actually a really cool guy but he was a hardcore progressive in many ways. He would white knight and sometimes actively engage in shaming any upper classmen who went after freshman girls.

When he was 25 and just started teaching is when he met his future wife. She was a student in his English class and they married when she turned 18 just weeks before or after she graduated. Fucking hypocrites.

I have never really understood that "do as I say, not as I do" mentality in a lot of people on the left, and to be fair on the right too. Some of the better example are the baby boomers who are now anti-drugs but spent the entire 60s and 70s stoned as all hell. Anyways, I have digressed too much.


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WRONG. I'd rather have a devout religious women than an atheist."


I would, too. Now.

But I'm over 40 now and know a lot more about life. Back when I was meeting such women from ages 17-25, they really did scare me off.

And it's a shame too, because looking at their lives (and the way they look) now, these were the good ones. The problem wasn't what most people assume -- that I thought I wasn't going to get any action right away.

The problem was:

1). I felt the religion forced me to live in her reality. I like to share reality with women, not live completely in their world. I wasn't about to trade in my Beastie Boys CDs for Amy Grant.

2). It seemed like I was walking on eggshells with these women. The wrong joke or comment, I feared, would sent things flying apart. Having a sense of humor and irony is important, and a lot of these girls were overly earnest. SJWs now seem this way. Everything can't be about saving the world.

All of this makes me wonder if religion isn't a test some women use to vet men. One reason I wonder this is that a lot of the religious girls I knew back in the day didn't necessarily marry religious men like I thought they would. Oh well.

Damn. I have had the same thing. There were a number of really cute and somewhat homely but feminine girls whose life seemed to revolve around church and youth groups who were interested in me as a teen. I went and hung out with a few of them several times and just could get out of my shell and connect with them. I was used to going to parties and drinking and smoking pot and hooking up with girls. Standing around for a few hours and drinking non-spiked punch and eating pizza after spending two hours watching a movie and an hour reading the bible just confused the shit out of me. I had no idea how to socialize in that type of crowd and was constantly worried about offending one of my hosts. However, I just hit my 30s. I wonder if I could swoop one of these types of girls up. Or if I would even want to these days.

Women these days think they can shop for a man like they shop for a purse or a pair of shoes. Sorry ladies. It doesn't work that way.

Women are like sandwiches. All men love sandwiches. That's a given. But sandwiches are only good when they're fresh. Nobody wants a day old sandwich. The bread is all soggy and the meat is spoiled.

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Quote: (08-28-2015 05:49 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Quote: (08-28-2015 12:11 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

What, no lumbersexuals? [Image: lol.gif]

Fucking lumbersexuals. They are a disgrace to actual loggers. If I walked around in a set of racing coveralls would people ask...Oh is that the new fashion style? No...they'd wonder where my car was. So why the shit do they dress up like 1890s pioneers?

Maybe its a subtle way to make dick jokes...like wearing skinny jeans, an 1890s beard and a flannel shirt without being an acutal logger or outdoorsman just means that you do all of your log handling at the blue oyster on 3rd shift.

Pretty sure a Lumbersexual was one of the Village People.
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Quote: (08-29-2015 11:42 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Quote: (08-28-2015 05:49 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Quote: (08-28-2015 12:11 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

What, no lumbersexuals? [Image: lol.gif]

Fucking lumbersexuals. They are a disgrace to actual loggers. If I walked around in a set of racing coveralls would people ask...Oh is that the new fashion style? No...they'd wonder where my car was. So why the shit do they dress up like 1890s pioneers?

Maybe its a subtle way to make dick jokes...like wearing skinny jeans, an 1890s beard and a flannel shirt without being an acutal logger or outdoorsman just means that you do all of your log handling at the blue oyster on 3rd shift.

Pretty sure a Lumbersexual was one of the Village People.

Many of these hipster style trends originate out of gay culture.
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Again, I don't know about that. I have seen quite a few young guys mention education. I don't know how much of this is them just signaling what they think others around them want to hear in this pc hell hole of a society or is genuinely what they want due to indoctrination or what.

I think it is part indoctrination, part signaling what others want to hear. It also may mostly be that our society is so feminized that a man who makes known a preference for a physical attribute that doesn't include 'plus size' is deemed a sexist/misogynist.

We don't have the code words that they do. "Education" really means "money" to them. The most we can get away with is "cute", which women interpret however they want to anyway. Ever meet a woman's "totally cute and hilarious" friend who turns out to be an annoying, portly specimen? Well, she does have an office job so I guess that makes her a total catch. [Image: dodgy.gif]
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I guess my point is that the vast majority of 'manchildren' or even omegas aren't fat ass shut-in losers like David Futrelle. Most are simply normal guys who have either been pushed into a scarcity/dead zone or got fed up with the sexual market and decided to say fuck it and enjoy their free time as they see fit. Hell, to a degree I am in that spot myself right now.

I think I look fairly normal/average. I doubt people would realize I haven't had sex in a really really long time just by looking at me.

If only you knew how bad things really are.
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Quote: (08-29-2015 01:16 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Quote: (08-28-2015 06:23 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

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The students and interns that had no car or proximity to downtown were the ones with messenger bags and backpacks. At most I carried a leather folio with a tablet, paper and business cards in it.

My own experience is that, as an post-grad intern, I had a (what I thought) high-status black leather soft Attaché case, but as I worked in the adult world and developed my style I stopped using the case entirely. Most work is done via email, bringing papers home is frowned upon because of security risks, etc., and as was said, status-holders do not normally have to carry things.

On the other side of the coin, dude with some game awhile back told me the larger the bag the women carries, the less hot she is, from sorority hottie in tight black dress with tiny evening clutch, to the middle-aged "comfortable shoed" woman with her giant reusable shopping bags, to the ne plus ultra deranged bag lady with her stolen rusty shopping cart.

Back when the Heartiste blog was called "Roissy," he wrote a post saying something to the effect of: the larger the bag, the more demanding the woman. Or "the larger the bag the bigger the drama queen." He also said the same thing about earrings -- big hoop earring, specifically.

There's probably some validity in this. I think the same goes for big hair or what I call "glossy hair," meaning that very processed look a lot of upper class women go for.

Don't forget a similar corollary: The smaller the bag, the messier the car.

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Quote: (08-27-2015 05:10 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

All well and good. But unfortunately not an attitude that's realistic in all situations, perhaps unless you do happen to be among that 0.5% NY elite (not one of my lifetime goals). I don't need to carry stuff around with me - that can't fit in my pockets - on a daily basis, but sometimes I do have paperwork or other things that "can't be bought on the way".

I'm also never going to be the every day suit wearing type (working on my laptop at home in jeans or something even more casual and then donning a suit when I decide to go downtown for a stroll or a coffee or to buy my groceries is trying just a bit too hard from my perspective), so I guess that's another nail in the coffin for my alpha fashion style.
Not that I live in a city where I'm competing all that hard against most men's daytime fashion.

Never mind, maybe a man purse topic in the lifestyle forum.


I think this is a good example of "internet tough guy alpha talk" vs. the real world that 99.9999% of us live in - saying "just don't carry anything - wear a suit and a roll of $$" isn't realistic at all.

A simple leather black or brown messenger bag looks fine. In fact it can look really good and make you look more professional. Having one of these over your (opposite) shoulder is not going to make women flee from you. In the real world it does compliment your look as a white collar man.

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It's like saying, "haha -look at will smith! So beta!"
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Whatever happened to a good old briefcase? Hell, even a North Face backpack would be better, in my opinion.


And by the way.....do you really think showing a guy with a fagbag and a AR-15 proves your point? [Image: lol.gif]

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Quote: (08-28-2015 11:10 PM)CRR Wrote:  

If I have to visit a client or am going to a networking event, I'm a flash drive, business card, Waterman pen (received as a gift, they're very cool) kind of guy.

Regarding the picture, a not-so-subtle message that New York is overwhelmed by a bunch of hot women where the men literally don't measure up.

I picture the dumpy semi-fatties reading it and thinking "that's so me!".

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“None of this would matter if we were open-minded about who we dated,” Birger says. “The problem is, Americans — both men and women — have become more rigid about dating across socioeconomic boundaries.”
To find a mate, college-educated women should consider dating working-class men. “In the future, we’re going to see more of what I call ‘mixed collar’ marriages,” Birger says.

Wrong. Men don't care about 'socioeconomic boundaries', or not nearly as much as women do. And to find a mate, college educated women should use that education to figure out that desirable 'working class' men aren't too different than desirable 'white collar' men. All want fit, attractive, kind, pleasant women.

College-educated women who are single should also use that education to figure out that if they're perpetually single, they need to literally look in the mirror and stop blaming men. Take some responsibility, again use that education to figure out what men want and become that woman.

Or don't, enjoy your cats. And to be honest, I enjoy watching the train wreck called "unattractive, obnoxious women complaining about where are all the good men" that is constantly playing in our media.

You're overthinking it a bit. What they really mean, is "why do I not have my own Mr. Big yet?"
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Quote: (08-29-2015 01:15 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

Whatever happened to a good old briefcase? Hell, even a North Face backpack would be better, in my opinion.


And by the way.....do you really think showing a guy with a fagbag and a AR-15 proves your point? [Image: lol.gif]

Totally depends. Briefcase.. great for short distances and driving or taxi'ing, or around the office.
Not great in a city if you're walking a lot, riding on subway, or biking.
Also your hand is always tied up so it's a hassle to also use a phone at same time. Briefcase looks great with dressier styles. Not so good with casual styles.
A backpack can be good too but can also look really geeky especially with dressier styles.
In a city, backpack is riskier for pickpockets and a hassle to take on and off to retrieve items (like a phone).
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Quote: (08-29-2015 01:15 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

Whatever happened to a good old briefcase? Hell, even a North Face backpack would be better, in my opinion.


And by the way.....do you really think showing a guy with a fagbag and a AR-15 proves your point? [Image: lol.gif]

I usually use a backpack when I have to carry something with me around the city. I feel like a tourist every time. Or at best like I'm on my way to the gym, but that look tends to fall apart if I stop for shopping or coffee or sit down with a book in a park.

Last summer I actually did some IOI tests (subject to random flukes, but still extensive enough that the results seemed somewhat conclusive) in the same downtown areas with and without backpack, but otherwise similar casual summer clothes.
Without backpack I got my usual fairly satisfying daily amount of looks from girls in their late teens to mid 40s (I'm 38, in good shape and usually showing it off with a v-neck t-shirt). With the backpack added barely any girls make prolonged eye contact.

I guess I'll just have to run the same test with a messenger bag some day.
Actually the sportier type of canvas messenger bags are relatively popular here in Sofia, even among some of the stereotypical "macho" guys in their 20s with hot girlfriends.
But dress norms for the vast majority of men here - as probably across most of Eastern Europe, and good chunks of Western Europe as well - obviously fall well below what I would expect the NY posters above are used to seeing when walking around in their business suits in Manhattan.
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