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Trinidad and St Vincent
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I will be travelling to Trinidad next week for one week. I will spend about three days in St Vincent and the Grenadines and then the rest of the time in Trinidad. Naturally, I am looking to take down the local lizards.
A few of you guys have actually visited or are from one of the forementioned islands i.e Trinidad so your tips would be most appreciated.

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You should go to Grenada during carnival....i think those destinations is all about knowing the right time to visit.
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Hey Moma,

I'm from Toronto but have been to Trinidad 4 times most recently in January so hopefully I can help you out with some suggestions of where to check out. The great thing about TNT bars/clubs is that it's usually all-inclusive and you will pay about $15-$20USD for all you can drink all night. Basically there's a few different places that you can check out for nightlife:

Ariapita Avenue (aka The Avenue) - There's tons of bars and restaurants along this street like Shakers (chilled out bar in an old house), Coco Lounge (open air club type place, not always that busy) and lots of others. There's also usually people just partying along the road on Thurs/Fri/Sat night.

MovieTowne - Big complex with a movie theatre but has lots of bars and a casino as well, probably a better place to go pre going out or maybe to grab some food.

Other Clubs - Some of the other places you can check out outside these areas are Zen, Sabo Latina and Catalyst.

Other Stuff To Do - Go to Maracas Beach (about 30 mins from Port of Spain) to relax and swim and eat a Bake and Shark on the beach. There's also some tourist attractions like Fort George but personally I wouldn't go up there as there is a lot of robberies.

Women - Extremely hot as Trinidad has tons of mixes and people from African, Indian, Arab and Chinese descent. The other great thing is that instead of having to talk up front these girls wanna wine and you can talk to them after lol. May be hard to hook up as lots of people stick to their groups since it's a small Island and word travels. Also beware of the prositutes in disguise (unless your looking for them).

On a side note, not sure if you have ever been to TNT before but it's a bit dangerous depending on what you do. Wouldn't recommend taking maxi taxi's so either get a driver or rent a car to take you around and don't go into any of the slums unless you wanna have an interesting night lol.

Hope that answers some of your questions and lemme know if you need any other info.
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@canuck - Thanks for the info. I have jotted it down.

I am looking for accomodation in St Vincent. Does anyone know of any good sites to check for bedsits, hotels, etc? I heard it's a small island so the normal method of checking for hotels may not be the best route to take..

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Canuck, how much does it cost to rent a driver for a few days?
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Rent a driver LOL, i mean hire a driver for a few days
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Haha, i'm not really sure as we've always rented a car when going to TNT. The problem with taxi's is alot have pre-defined routes (maxi-taxi's) and aren't so safe, I think there is private car hires as well but I'm not sure how to book that. If you don't mind driving it's better to rent a car imo.
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Quote: (06-08-2011 04:03 PM)Canuck Wrote:  

Haha, i'm not really sure as we've always rented a car when going to TNT. The problem with taxi's is alot have pre-defined routes (maxi-taxi's) and aren't so safe, I think there is private car hires as well but I'm not sure how to book that. If you don't mind driving it's better to rent a car imo.

Do they have the steering wheel and the gear stick on the other side of the car just like Britain? I heard that all the English speaking Caribbean countries operate as they do in Britain and drive on the other side of the road. Is this true? I assume they have roundabouts as well instead of stop signs?

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Yea Moma it's like the UK but they don't really have roundabouts, watch out for the potholes if you drive, we blew a tire last time lol. Unfortunately it's not the easiest to get around if you don't have a car or know someone, but I don't wanna make it sound too bad as I love it there and it's really awesome.
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Moma,

You seem like a man with a lot of energy. In that case, I'd say that you'll love Trinidad but feel that St. Vincent is boring (Grenada is even more boring). Trust me, I love Grenada but not for gaming or having a good time. If you want peace and quiet go there. I will say this, Grenadian girls have amazing leggs and booties. I'm talking about muscle that looks feminine and sexy. This is because the island is extremely hilly. I lived in Trinidad for 10 years (before moving back to Canada). You'll love the girls. Many of them have very high bitch shields. Still your value (being a foreigner) will help you.

What kind of women do you like. If you like Indian go to San Fernando, if you like dark skinned beauties go to Arima, if you like a mix of indian and black go to Chaguanas. Venezuelanas are there as well.

I as well always rent a car when I go there. Just beware that at the slightest sight of a scratch, the rental car company may try to scam you. I've seen it happen a few times.

Also if you go to a fete, don't just wine up on any girl, make sure that she's single. Those guys can get very violent there is often a gruesome result to an altercation. Enjoy but be safe!!
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Deebow is Trinidad and Tobago a place where you must drive? I am looking to go there next year for carnival but i wasnt looking to rent a car. Is this one of those cities where you must drive in order to get around and bitches wont fuck with you if you dont drive?
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Any pointers on a good site I can go to look for a hotel in Trinidad? I don't want to pay an arm and leg for a room. In fact, 60 bucks a night would be just swell by me.
I don't know if I can get away with those prices right in the heart of Port of Spain...?

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Quote: (06-14-2011 02:27 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Deebow is Trinidad and Tobago a place where you must drive? I am looking to go there next year for carnival but i wasnt looking to rent a car. Is this one of those cities where you must drive in order to get around and bitches wont fuck with you if you dont drive?

Pitt,

If you drive you are at an advantage over someone that doesn't. Trinidad is very materialistic these days. The freaks likely won't fuck if you don't have a whip. I'd rent one for sure. Also if you don't have a car, you will be severely limited in your options. You need one.
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Quote: (06-14-2011 12:22 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Any pointers on a good site I can go to look for a hotel in Trinidad? I don't want to pay an arm and leg for a room. In fact, 60 bucks a night would be just swell by me.
I don't know if I can get away with those prices right in the heart of Port of Spain...?

Trust me Moma,

I wish i could help you here. I stay with my cousins and in our house in Mayaro Beach when I visit.
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@ Moma - You will not find a decent spot for $60 in Port of Spain...The only hotel options are The Hyatt, Marriott and The Hilton and two local nice hotels which the names are slipping my mind right now. At these hotels you can have aislander get you a "local" trini price but it won't be under $100 per night for sure. Trinidad isn't a big tourist destination so not many hotel options pretty much higher end or dumps nothing really in the middle. I didn't need a car when I was there and used the services of a driver which is big there and since I stayed at The Hyatt during most of my stays it was easy to bring girls back there since that is the defacto nicest hotel on the island with ocean front views, lovely rooftop pool overlooking the caribbean and player lobby bar...basically the local girls can't resist a night out there so if you stay at the Hyatt it will pay off by leaps and bounds. Also staying at any of these hotels puts you right in the mix of things so you don't really need a car if you are staying at these hotels just use taxis, maxi taxi, vans to get around its a simple set up.
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DATA SHEET ON ST VINCENT AND TRINIDAD

My data sheet will be somewhat limited because I didn't slay but I got around a bit and now I feel I have some decent intel on the island. Upon a second trip, I should be able to put in some closer play.

St Vincent is a very mountainous island..and they drive on the same side of the road as the British..which I heard is the case with all of the English speaking Caribbean islands. You cannot fly directly to there from North America or indeed on any international plane. You must take a small local plane via the Liat airline which will deposit you in E.T. Joshua Airport.
The runway for the airport is very small which means the pilot is very good. Upon landing, if he doesn't kill the engine as soon as possible, he will wind up in the side of the mountain. Upon takeoff, if he doesn't pick up momentum as soon as, your ass will wind up in the ocean.
Most people flying there either go via Grenada, Trinidad or Barbados which all have international airports. If you do come via Trinidad and you bring your TnT dollars, forget it. Them shyts are useless outside of Trinidad.

We drove back to where I was staying...a vicious spiralling drive shared with speeding public transport..vans called Ooh Lah Lah with leering Caribbean males leaning out of the passenger end constantly scanning for new punani (although they are very respectful, I never heard any vulgarisms being yelled out or any obscene gestures and I was being ferried by dimes). Ooh Lah Lah vans would overtake you on the wrong side of the road and beep their horns loudly (in.. case someone was coming from the other direction along the RIGHT side of the road)...
The place of stay is on an extremely steep hill...it was like climbing a wall to get to the driveway.

It's been a while since I've been in the tropics and it was nice to hear the cockerel crowing at 4am in the morning. As a foreigner, I was exotic cuisine for the insects and surely
enough, woke up in the morning to find several bites on my arm.
You flag down Ooh Lah Lah and the driver will stop and ram you into a van full of passengers. The fare cost 4 EC (if I can remember). Since it was Carnival season, it wasn't uncommon to hear Vincy Soca on the radio.

SVG doesn't have a traffic light system. A local informed me that they attempted to implement this once but it was abandoned as no one was following it.

By and large, they are decent drivers and they generally honk their horns loudly when taking a mountainous bend so that an incoming driver approaching from the blind spot on the other side will be aware that a vehicle is approaching.

I went to the town centre, hit up the market place and what not. By and large, from what I saw, the women in St Vincent are of predominant African descent (meaning they looked black as opposed to mixed etc)
There are a few Indians and Portuguese scattered through the place (from the days of indentureship).

The point being made is, if you are not particularly attracted to black women, you may want to skip St Vincent.

The national dish is breadfruit and jackfish. Bakes are available. For those more familiar with Jamaican terminology, bakes are the Jamaican equivalent of fried dumplings. I am uncertain if they use the term fried dumplings outside of any other English speaking Caribbean island than Jamaica. If you ask for fried dumplings, you will be met with a blank look.
The local brews for St Vincent is Hairoun (a beer) and Sunset white rum. Sunset is an extremely strong rum, clocking in at about 84 percent and that shyt feels like you can literally run a vehicle with that.

The unofficial language spoken (according to my host) is Creole.

Creole is patois and for those who have been in the company of Jamaicans, it's the same thing except Vincentian patois varies a little bit.

For the most part, it sounds very similar to Jamaican patois and even some Jamaicans can be initially fooled.

I always prided myself on understanding patois but being actually in the islands, I always found myself a step behind when being communicated to in Creole. When I generally hear speakers in the Western hemisphere, they generally dilute the speech with regular English so one can make their way through the conversation based on context.
No such account was made in the island. They were speaking quickly and and I constantly had to ask for a recount on each statement or request made.

By and large, I didn't stay in St Vincent that long enough to do damage (plus I was in the company of extended fam so I tend not to pound out ass while I'm under the scrutiny of fam.

The people are nice (I also have experience from them in Canada). One may get hassled for purchases or gifts (I attended a jam in a local village) and was implored by a burly woman to buy her some rum and rice.
Another local saw me pull some EC out and swarmed me requesting for me to buy rum.
Another cat wanted me to buy his HP IPAQ off of him (battery not included).

The departure tax is 40 ECD (Eastern Caribbean dollars). Eastern Caribbean currency is stronger than the Tnt and one EC will give you about 2.72 CDN (Canadian dollars) at the time of my trip.

TRINIDAD


Trinidad was a different kettle of fish. Again from where I was
staying, it seemed closer to the Western experience many of you lot will be used to.
My inn was very nice.

For those who like the South East Asian look (Asian for my UK peeps), you will enjoy Trinidad. There you get the Indian women without the Indian attitude. The women there are not afraid to grind up on you during a soca fete and seem to mix freely with different groups. You also have a large Venezuelean influx, lots of Syrians (sheet, Venezeuela is but a stones throw away).

Of course these can be mixed with the Africans so you will have variety of looks for those who are not into the pure Sub Saharan African look.

I didn't veer out of Port of Spain (didn't have much intel and I didn't want to be too venturous as I was told to be cautious as Trinis can strip a dude of his chains and what not (don't rock ice nor chains anyway).
The inn owner told me that I need not be concerned with the kidnapping and murdering as that was always drug related. She said that she couldn't remember a time when a tourist had been kidnapped or murdered.

What I noticed with the Trinis was that dreadlocks seemed to be quite popular amongst women and men.

So the first night, I went out looking for action. My first port of call was a club called 51 degrees, on ciprani rd (which was walking distance from my hotel)

I dressed up accordingly and went out but the look of the club seemed a bit snooty for my liking (especially on my dolo) so I looked around for another club which the outdoor burger vendor
had recommended for me. After failing to find the other club, I resorted to return 51 degrees.
Cut a long story short, I was refused entry because I wasn't wearing a shirt (was rocking a non logo tight t with trousers and Stacey Adams shoes) but the bouncer told me the club closes at 5am (current time was 11pm).
I walked home to change and rest up for a bit.
Returned and a new bouncer told me that no more general admission was being allowed.
Fcuk em, I went back home (didn't like the look of the club anyhow).

Again, rolling solo made me a bit slow in terms of putting my bid in but I tried to drop it on a waitress in a restaraunt Sweet Lime where I had my dinner before I made my exodus later on that night.

She was making excessive eye contact and I guess she may have taken my smiling for suckerism.
I asked her what was going on (what was happening for the night), trying to lure her out for some pounding.
She told me to come back to the restaurant when she was finished with work. No can do. That's a lap dog request.

I rolled out later on that night to Coco Lounge on Aripitas Avenue. Admission was cheap (60 TNT which = 10 dollars).
Drinks were about 20 TNT (for shots) or for a bottle of guinness which I made my regular knockback for the night.

Some nice big butt Trini lizard tried to squeeze into the one seat chair I was sitting in. I let her in and thus I made my play. Strangely enough, she seemed distant although responsive (largely a stream of one word responses) and I was uncertain when a guy (who she quite clearly attended the club with) came up and gave her an ice cream soda which he bought and vanished.
Also, the language barrier (Trini accents are thicker than I thought) meant that I had to ask for constant repeats.
I put the play in for what she was doing afterwards but I didn't get any feel for that so the night was done.
Moved in on some Indian/Syrian mix later on but was rewarded by her man moving in strongly to openly establish his property so I decided to just kick back for the evening.
I had no idea who was single in the club and rather than risk catching some 'licks in me rass', I thought I'd kick back and wait for a sure thing or just enjoy what I got.

Zero occurence for the night.

Final night, Sabo Latino.

Arranged a pickup and drop there. Entry was 60 TNT dollars (10 bucks) or 100 dollars (16 dollars) for open bar.
I paid the 100 and entered.

There was nothing latin about Sabo Latino on a Tuesday (maybe always). It was packed full of blacks and the music was purely dancehall and soca but mostly dancehall with a slight selection of top 40's.
The barkeep was a very surly dread who sullenly pushed the drinks across the bar when requested. Vodka, white rum, dark rum, carib.
No smiles.
Upon arrival (around 11:30pm or so), everyone was lined up against the walls like rats in a flood. I chuckled internally at the fact that no one was doing anything on the dance floor.
I noticed three uniformed police officers armed just hanging in the club all night. I wasn't sure if they were on duty or there to deter any foolishness since a few Trini women were swirling and twirling around their bodies at times.
Towards the end of the night, I concluded that they were there on duty.

I could feel that I stood out, reeking of foreigner so I decided to join the flood movement in my own way, by drowning myself in booze.

I bought some fries after drinking my fourth, fifth? vodka and a braided black Trini lizard appeared.

"I can have some?" she sang in soca. I didn't understand what she said and had to ask for a recount.

Once understood, I said "Yea sure" and scanned her frame. She was limber, cute face and definitely worthy of a pounding. I always feel it's my duty to put in proper work when in a third world country because locals tend to see us Westernised cats as soft and feeble (including the women). However, I was hesitant because I've heard the women can be sly (checking for another dude while they are blatantly there with a man) and again I was dolo.

As the night moved along, people started to liven up and guys started to grind up with women etc. However, as a previous poster mentioned, they seemed to know each other as I saw a few mystery approachers get shut down by some lizards there.

I put in some approach on some lizards posted up on the walls but it was largely discarded so I just kicked back and drank looking for openings.
These lizards were grouped off and I couldn't see any eye contact.
I moved on another lizard and she twisted her head to look at me sharply so I thought "fcuk it" and kicked back.

Later on, the same Trini lizard who had bummed some fries off of me appeared again and wrapped her body around me like a rope.
She was 'wining' on me something wicked and I wanted to wait a bit before asking..but the language barrier was a mutha.
"Whey yuh fram, farrin?" she asked which translated to "Where are you from, are you a foreigner?"
"Yea", I said after my usual recount request.
"American?", she asked.
"Nah, Canadian" I replied.
"Yuh cyan fine de rydim but you gwan fine it", she said twisting herself around my body.
TRANSLATION: You are not dancing to this music properly but if you stay in this country, you will pick it up.

And then she vanished.

Fcuk! My last chance to plant something in the Eastern Caribbean... gone!

Around 3:30am, I was done with dancing. I was almost staggering drunk and even with the presence of the police officers, I didn't want to seem like a mark so I decided to chill from the alcohol and call for my ride back to the hotel.

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Pity you weren't able to pull, but encouraging to hear about all the different shades and mixes of the Trini women. Have it in my sights for Carnival 2012.
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Moma thanks for the datasheet.

What is the best club for whining in port of spain in your opinion? I am looking to hit there during carnival but i want to hit some clubs where serious whining goes on.
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I would imagine during Carnival the best winin' is on the street!
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Booked a flight to Trinidad and tobago today. I will be there from 6 till 8 December. I'll arrive very early in the morning and have 2 nights out. Enough time for day and night game.

I,m planning to pull at least once there. have to pipeline at lot first i guess.

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pretty much know T&T in and out and have been there for several carnivals and other times just to chiil with major success with the women and I will let you know that pipelining won't get you very far in Trinidad most girls don't do the online meeting thing @ all they wanna see how u working it on the dancefloor and if ya wine is correct in person and how your swag is in person...

Facebook is big there and nothing else (no trini-cupid sites or hi5) and I certainly wouldn't recommend pipelining on facebook. Trinis are a very proud people about their country and culture and especially carnival so they are not really too desperate to meet some foreign man to sweep them of their feet like in some of the other countries that get mentioned here like Thailand/Colombia/Philippines so you have to adjust your game accordingly.

The girls are FINE smart and intellignet in T&T and know hot to party but they don't want any lames or dorky types so you have to come with pure Alpha G with a cool edge and swagger and equally have something going on. Trini & Tobago is not a place to score for people who couchsurf & staying hostels and good luck finding a hostel in port of spain although I do know a cool guest house in tobago but that's an entire different story.

Basically to maximize your trip and options you need to get your $$$ up and stay at one of the major hotels as a foreigner if you want to get with the best girls that you will meet at the most upper tier clubs like 51 but especially at the fetes (special events parties) and boat parties that go on weekly and are amazing. Problem is if you don't know anyone who is local before you go that can hook you up and knows about these parties you are outta luck.

T&T is small but luckily I've know people there for years who have put me in the game...Its a place where knowing people in the right places witll get you very far. It would be hard for me to go to a place like that cold turkey because its hard to know what's going on from the surface because its not a country based on tourism besides the Carnival...Speaking of Carnival I hope you guys know that just showing up here for Carnival isn't as easy like in Brasil. To have fun you really have to be IN the carnival meaning pay for the costume ($300 to $400 usd all inclusive) in advance to be apart of the fun which my friends arrange for me down there...Its not as nearly as fun being on the sidelines like in Brasil and this is coming from someone who has participated in Rio, Recife/Olinda and Trini and Costa Rica Carnival. Also accomodations fill up quickly and are sparse so do your homework. If you don't follow these guidelines prepared to be shut out by the fine mixed girls of venezuelan/chinese/indian/syrian/black descent.
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Nice report Moma.

Its concise yet full of vivid details that painted a perfect picture. I felt as if I was standing right next to you as I was reading this. By comparing and contrasting yours and ISW data sheets it appears that Trinidad isn't really a country to travel on a budget and that Bankroll makes all the difference.
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Thanks for the tips. I'll see what i can do there. it will be on a budget though but not a broke ass backpacker budget.

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Quote: (07-15-2011 05:04 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Moma thanks for the datasheet.

What is the best club for whining in port of spain in your opinion? I am looking to hit there during carnival but i want to hit some clubs where serious whining goes on.


I am not a pro on Trinidad, pitt. I don't know which club would be the best for that. Deebow and International Swagger would be the best for intel on that.

As the guys said, I didn't find Trinidad to be a walk in the park in the sense of taking a woman home. I sent out a few feelers but women didn't seem to be overly impressed that I was a foreigner (compared to the other islands that I have been to). It may different in the countryside of Trinidad but Port of Spain seemed to be quite well do and people there were dressed in pretty fresh gear. Movie Towne looked practically on par with Yorkdale Mall.

Saying you are a tourist only there for a few nights may not work out because they seem to be rather comfortable there and not desperate to find a foreigner to take them away from the island. Quite a few people I spoke to didn't seem to have any interest in moving from Trinidad. A lot of other islanders from the smaller surrounding islands and continent (Grenada, Guyana, St Vincent etc) have moved to Trinidad to step up their standard of living.

But as said by International Swagger, knowing someone may be able to smooth the path somewhat. I had to do a lot of questioning and a lot of solo moves so it wasn't as plug and play as the other places.
However, it was good to go just to get an idea and so next time I can move better...

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Just in case anyone wants to get a good look at some of the Trini talent(and hasn't been there at all):

http://www.triniscene.com/tsv7/galleries/

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