[monster]

(07-27-2015 01:30 PM)Socrates Wrote:  

Wait, so we don't have brains until we learn math?

Until you can do anything human, yes.

Say "goo gaa," crawl, suck on a teat.

You're Socrates so you should know this already.

[monster]

(07-27-2015 01:30 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 01:28 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 01:25 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 01:22 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 01:06 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

You're exactly right. Instead, they're developing new ways to rip living babies apart in the most callous and painful manner possible to harvest as much of the sellable tissue as they can...then lie about selling it.

It doesn't have a brain, doesn't have much of anything - its basically a few stem cells. It's not a baby. No true scientist would ever call a developing fetus a baby.

It does have a brain, it does have everything - that's what makes it so valuable for harvesting.

Hmm, OK, so I wonder if you asked it what 2+2 equaled what'd it say?

Some brain for sure.

I could ask any baby that question and they wouldn't know the answer - does that mean a 6 month old could be murdered for body parts?

OK well rage all you want on an internet forum about the injustice of recycling biological tissue from an abortion to conduct important medical & genomic research as part of the feminist agenda to destroy all men. You'll really change the world into the way you want the world to be that way.

[Phoenix]

Answer the question, who's biological tissue is it?

[monster]

(07-27-2015 02:07 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Answer the question, who's biological tissue is it?

The abortion clinics. Now I've never read an abortion contract but if it's like anything like 99.9% of the other contracts I've read I imagine the paperwork states any tissue becomes the property of the clinic to do what it wants with it. A contract is a contract. No one is forcing anyone to sign any thing under gunpoint.

[Phoenix]

Before it is handed over to the clinic, who's is it?

[n0000]

I don't understand why there would be any kind of negotiation if this was strictly a non-profit operation. The costs should be fixed and well known. Negotiation is a function of price discovery which is something that a for profit company would engage in. Unless they are saying that they are going to use the proceeds for another program. Can this really be legal?

[monster]

(07-27-2015 09:40 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

I don't understand why there would be any kind of negotiation if this was strictly a non-profit operation. The costs should be fixed and well known. Negotiation is a function of price discovery which is something that a for profit company would engage in. Unless they are saying that they are going to use the proceeds for another program. Can this really be legal?

Nonprofits are still in the business of maximizing their operating income for continued operations.

[monster]

(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Before it is handed over to the clinic, who's is it?

It is considered the property of the mother

[rpg]

I have a couple of kids and have been in the obgyn office from the beginning for each. There is a rush to determine viability before calling it a baby. They want to be able to provide the opportunity to terminate if the fetus has downs, spinal, heart, cranial or other deformities. Once it is determined viable then cutesy talk begins. The big problem I see with abortion is aborting viable fetuses that are formed, active and thriving. Abortion should have been limited to the first couple weeks for a womans choice and then a couple of weeks more under doctor's discretion due to non viability.
This got all fubar due to women's inability to make up their minds and lack of responsibility with birth control. Add in doctors getting rich off of this and it got even worse. The whole situation just sucks. I know a guy who was too lazy to pull out and had to drive two different girl friends to the clinic. On the flip side I know two guys who banged cheating wives and both cuck babies came to full term. Makes no sense.

[Phoenix]

(07-27-2015 10:01 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Before it is handed over to the clinic, who's is it?

It is considered the property of the mother

Considered? I'm asking 'is'. When a piece of tissue is analyzed by police forensics, how do they identify the original owner?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(07-27-2015 01:28 PM)monster Wrote:  

Hmm, OK, so I wonder if you asked it what 2+2 equaled what'd it say?

Some brain for sure.

Awesome. Let's make a trip to remote Amazon and stock up on some brains.

[Jukes]

Watching the Planned Parenthood documentary will always have me be Pro-Life. The schemes and tactics to sterlize and call on population control is one of most vile things I have ever seen. Rather take my chance giving a whore a kid than being pro-choice. This is one of the things abortion does and sure it can be made with imitation, but the real thing is always better. From http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/201...71442.html
In an frightening line of research on solar cells, scientists are examining the connection between melanin (skin pigmentation) and solar cell development. Of course, it’s all clouded in jargon and officialese, but the basic idea is this: the creation of a melanin-based solar cell. This means that the skin of African-Americans and black fetuses could be used as an element in solar cells.

According to a research paper:
we suggest that a class of biological macromolecules called the melanins may be suitable replacements for the ruthenium complexes. They have strong, broad band absorption, are chemically and photochemically very stable, can be cheaply and easily synthesized, and are also bio-available and bio-compatible. We demonstrate a melanin-based regenerative solar cell, and discuss the key properties that are necessary for an effective broad band photon harvesting system. READ MORE HERE

The scientists note further that they are exploring the possibilities of using bio-organic pigments (melanin) to
…explore the possibilities of using bio-organic pigments with broad band light absorbing properties as the primary photon harvesting component. In this context, we will concentrate on a class of bio-macromolecules called the melanins, and will also highlight several other potential material. What will hopefully become clear during this discussion, is the need to understand the detailed photophysical and photochemical properties of these molecules, and how these properties relate to their chemical and electronic structure.
It is also important to note that we will not deal in this chapter with the concept of creating
artificial photosynthetic membranes by immobilizing and assembling photofunctional
molecules on various substrates – although this approach has the potential to create direct
conversion photovoltaic devices. (Broad Band Photon Harvesting Biomolecules for Photovoltaics)

Melanin, or skin pigment has a variety of properties, including lessening the toxic effect of heavy metals, protection against biological warfare attacks, and acting as a sunscreen.
In biological science melanin is known to possess a diverse set of roles and functions in a wide range of organisms. These include:

* Protection against biochemical attack: e.g. the smokeshield-like ink of the octopus, and the melanin-based protective colorings of bacteria and fungi which are capable of encapsulating and oxidizing invading organisms in a process known as melanization

* Mitigating chemical stresses associated with exposure to heavy metals and oxidizing agents.

* Acting as a natural sunscreen: shielding light-sensitive tissue from the potentially damaging effects of ultraviolet light. READMOREHERE

This pigment has many bio-chemical advantages, including the ability to convert light into heat (energy). :
If melanin can convert light into heat, could it not also transform UV radiation into other biologically/metabolically useful forms of energy? This may no seem so far fetched when one considers that even gamma radiation, which is highly toxic to most forms of life, is a source of sustenance for certain types of fungi and bacteria. READMOREHERE

[lido]

[monster]

(07-28-2015 12:03 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 10:01 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Before it is handed over to the clinic, who's is it?

It is considered the property of the mother

Considered? I'm asking 'is'. When a piece of tissue is analyzed by police forensics, how do they identify the original owner?

You obviously have an answer in mind, so you tell me.

[heavy]

monster do you not find partial birth abortion (I know that's not the tech term) medically inconsistent?

[Hotwheels]

They just released another video today.

Good tactics on the part of the group that recorded them. Doling them out over a period of time so they stay in the news. If they just released one this would already be out of the news cycle.

[Phoenix]

(07-28-2015 08:21 AM)monster Wrote:  

You obviously have an answer in mind, so you tell me.

Yeah I'm just trying to corner you into accepting and stating the obvious: the DNA of the tissue is unique, it is not the DNA of the mother, so the tissue belongs to a new person. You can use all the distancing language in the world, but you are still advocating killing, chopping up and selling, another human being.

[Gmac]

This is pretty disgusting. Hope she gets what she deserves...

[Slim Shady]

I remember "monster" taking a feminist stance in the Mattress girl issue too. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-43586.html

[TheWastelander]

Quote:

“'When does life begin?'” became a mystery only with the emergence of a political interest in killing the unborn."

http://www.sobran.com/columns/2002/020115.shtml

[Killer Joe]

(07-23-2015 06:50 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I agree with monster. I don't understand the outrage. At least the dead fetus is going towards something other than the trash can.

I'm all about hating on trashy feminist programs, but give outrage where it is due. They shouldn't sell the tissues.

Make no mistake about it, i'm pro-life after having gone through such an experience with a past ex. Note to everyone here, if a woman gets pregnant while taking a pill it's because she wanted it to happen. No woman forgets to take birth control.

I second this. It goes on to show that RVF is not immune to moral panic, regardless of how alpha and/or red pill we claim to be. "Planned Parenthood sells body parts of dead babies for profit" is an emotionally-loaded title that somehow implies that they are killing an already-born baby solely for the purpose of chopping it up and selling its parts, when in actuality they are taking the tissues from an aborted fetus that wasn't ever going to be born anyway.

I do find the debate about what constitues a new life (does it begin in the womb? after the baby's comes out the mother's vag?) interesting, though, so that may explain the emotion-based arguments some forum members are making in this thread.

[Samseau]

(07-29-2015 02:39 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 06:50 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I agree with monster. I don't understand the outrage. At least the dead fetus is going towards something other than the trash can.

I'm all about hating on trashy feminist programs, but give outrage where it is due. They shouldn't sell the tissues.

Make no mistake about it, i'm pro-life after having gone through such an experience with a past ex. Note to everyone here, if a woman gets pregnant while taking a pill it's because she wanted it to happen. No woman forgets to take birth control.

I second this. It goes on to show that RVF is not immune to moral panic, regardless of how alpha and/or red pill we claim to be. "Planned Parenthood sells body parts of dead babies for profit" is an emotionally-loaded title that somehow implies that they are killing an already-born baby solely for the purpose of chopping it up and selling its parts, when in actuality they are taking the tissues from an aborted fetus that wasn't ever going to be born anyway.

I do find the debate about what constitues a new life (does it begin in the womb? after the baby's comes out the mother's vag?) interesting, though, so that may explain the emotion-based arguments some forum members are making in this thread.

Actually there's nothing emotional about this, currently if a man murders a pregnant woman the man is charged with double murder. But if a woman murders her own fetus, it's an abortion.

It's a person when the woman needs it to be and it's a clump of cells when suckers need to be fooled.

[Disco_Volante]

---exactly Samseau

Whenever a pregnant woman is murdered, it is considered a much worse crime by society. If you are pro-choice and don't think a fetus is a human, then it shouldn't bother you at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laci_Peterson
The call the pregnant murder of her 'prenatal son', whereas planned parenthood says it's just a few clumps of tissue.
They are straddling the fence of it being a person only when it's convenient. If a man kills a pregnant woman then that's grounds for double murder. Yet pro-choice people sway between 'it's her choice' and 'it's not really a person'.

Also how many products like alcohol, cigarettes, and god knows what else have warning labels to protect pregnant women. If it's not a person then why would they really care.

hell, if it's not really a person, and basically a tissue parasite because the woman chose to have sex, then we should have pregnant women working construction, not getting any maternity leave, and doing other hard jobs because it's not like her pregnancy is anything important, you know like a human life.

[TheWastelander]

If she wants it, it's a human being. If she doesn't, it's a parasitic clump of cells.

That is crazy female "logic" that's been codified into law.

[Killer Joe]

(07-29-2015 03:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Actually there's nothing emotional about this, currently if a man murders a pregnant woman the man is charged with double murder. But if a woman murders her own fetus, it's an abortion.

It's a person when the woman needs it to be and it's a clump of cells when suckers need to be fooled.

(07-29-2015 03:42 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

If she wants it, it's a human being. If she doesn't, it's a parasitic clump of cells.

That is crazy female "logic" that's been codified into law.

It's murder if it's a person, yes. But if it hasn't been born, it still is a fetus and not yet a baby. So it's technically not murder.

Yes, it's a moral grey area and up for debate, I'll recognize that.

From a player's perspective, abortion gives you the opportunity to avoid paying a fortune in child support payments and prevent baby mama drama going forward. Sure, you should have worn a condom or at least pulled out, but you still have a chance to undo your mistake.