[samsamsam]

At the gym one of the boxing instructors also teaches MMA.

We were just talking and he started showing me a few things.

I know that showing me a few things is nothing compared to what you guys who have practiced for years can do. And I am not here to say I have mastered anything, far from it. And I want to acknowledge it is some intense stuff. It is one thing watching shit on TV and another when a guy with 30 years of martial arts puts you in a headlock and asks you, "what do you do now?"

It is clear beyond clear, I don't ever want to get taken to the ground. What was made clear is foot work is important in almost all self defense, probably all (I don't have enough experience to make absolute claims). We circled a bit and he tried to take my legs, being on the toes was so important to get the fuck out of the way.

I think I will be mixing up downs into my routine. It will be the closest thing I can do on my own to sprawl. I just need to remember to go long not wide (don't spread legs wide - push them straight back).

Much respect to anyone who has practiced any martial art/self defense/boxing for a long time. It takes some serious dedication. The grappling really amped the intensity compared to boxing for me. Granted it was my first time. But being in a headlock, etc just a very different feeling. I'll tell you this, if it happens to me, I am doing whatever I can to get out. No rules, I am gonna knee and punch the shit out of his balls if that is all I can get to But 100% I am against someone taking me to the ground.

Most importantly, just don't get into a fight if you can avoid it. It is like the more I have learned the more I realize this shit is no joke, you never know what they other guy knows and my first time sparring was a total fluke.

[cascadecombo]

(08-07-2015 08:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I know that showing me a few things is nothing compared to what you guys who have practiced for years can do. And I am not here to say I have mastered anything, far from it. And I want to acknowledge it is some intense stuff. It is one thing watching shit on TV and another when a guy with 30 years of martial arts puts you in a headlock and asks you, "what do you do now?"

You do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU3y8tg6q0

[samsamsam]

(08-08-2015 02:25 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 08:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I know that showing me a few things is nothing compared to what you guys who have practiced for years can do. And I am not here to say I have mastered anything, far from it. And I want to acknowledge it is some intense stuff. It is one thing watching shit on TV and another when a guy with 30 years of martial arts puts you in a headlock and asks you, "what do you do now?"

You do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU3y8tg6q0

Not sure if I could pull that off.

He taught me some other things.

[SupaDorkLooza]

(08-04-2015 02:25 AM)Savoir faire Wrote:  

The Chinese internal martial arts are a fucking freak show. At the top levels they are so advanced it makes the western stuff look like a complete joke. But you'll rarely see it. My teacher in Hong Kong, a very senior kung fu establishment guy well known across China, once showed my some incredible cell phone video he had of triad bodyguard training in Taiwan. Man, gi-fucking-gantic Chinese guy who moved with such force and power but at the same time lightfooted as a gazelle. Unfortunately it was kind of his private kung fu porn collection and he wouldn't give me a copy. Scary impressive.

Kung Fu that works in real life seems to be as rare as spotting bigfoot.

If they are so deadly, why haven't they sent any of their students to make it happen in the UFC?

[H1N1]

(08-08-2015 05:12 PM)SupaDorkLooza Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 02:25 AM)Savoir faire Wrote:  

The Chinese internal martial arts are a fucking freak show. At the top levels they are so advanced it makes the western stuff look like a complete joke. But you'll rarely see it. My teacher in Hong Kong, a very senior kung fu establishment guy well known across China, once showed my some incredible cell phone video he had of triad bodyguard training in Taiwan. Man, gi-fucking-gantic Chinese guy who moved with such force and power but at the same time lightfooted as a gazelle. Unfortunately it was kind of his private kung fu porn collection and he wouldn't give me a copy. Scary impressive.

Kung Fu that works in real life seems to be as rare as spotting bigfoot.

If they are so deadly, why haven't they sent any of their students to make it happen in the UFC?

Yep. All this talk of 130lb killer ninjas whose hands are so dangerous they are shut away in monasteries for the protection of the world at large, in case they fart and refloat Atlantis or some shit like that, is total nonsense in my opinion. There are a discernible number of ways to kill or maim another human being, and we've been working them out for thousands of years. The asians do not have some top secret method that allows them to overcome small stature and slay giants. It's Hollywood fantasy. Violence of execution, selective targeting of weak areas on the body, coordination, timing and raw focused aggression are what make the most dangerous people dangerous.

[Saweeep]

Oddly enough, in the 70s/80s, Full Contact Karate/Kickboxing in the UK was dominated by Kung Fu guys...

I have a Kung Fu instructor who works for me. He's been training Kung Fu exclusively for 20 years and regularly fucks off to China for months at a time to train.

He was head doorman at one of my city's biggest nightclubs and is a bona fide badass.

Sure, I've got 15 year olds that would beat him on the mats or in the ring but in an actual, proper, eye-gouging, arm breaking, ball crushing fight, he's one of the hardest men I know.

He's only 5'8" and I wouldn't mess with the guy.


Just Sayin....

[Natural Born Gyalist]

Yi Long is a complete beast.

Master Wong of internet fame is also the real deal.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

I meant to imbed this in my last post.
In the second video Fast forward to 1:25 for the action. I know its not real fighting, but his technique is on point and he is very funny. His name is Master Wong.

[Zehlendorfer]

Hi guys, nice thread.

I would appreciate some input:
I have been training Muay Thaifor almost three years now (1-2times the week, plus 1time running). It is fun and good for my stamina. However, I hate getting my ass kicked: Bruises, a broken toe, my left leg hurts since a week now, and a recent knock-out made me rethink this sport.

Some years ago I trained Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling). This is tough too, I know. The coach is a good friend. They train once a week. I would fill the rest of the week with eating iron.

What do you think? Is this just me whining about getting punched in the face?^^ I love thai boxing, but this is too tough sometimes. Man, I need some motivation, I guess.

Some info about Shuai Jiao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQlugPl2YI

[Dalaran1991]

(08-03-2015 05:49 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:21 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I think Judo is a very underrated martial art. Knowing how to do stand-up grappling is a very useful skill, in my opinion, for real-world self-defense situations.

True. Kicks and punches can be devastating for the receiver, but nothing is more than a well applied judo throw against the concrete, the receiver can become crippled for life.

Havent done Judo but dated 2 girls who were black belts, they are feminine and beautiful as fuck.

Question here: why would you do Judo if you can do Jujutsu? From what I understand Jujutsu has the best grappling stuff of Judo (Judo comes from Jujutsu) while still incorporate tons of useful stuff like kick, punch, joint manipulation. That should be a much better combination.

[viajero]

(08-11-2015 04:57 AM)Zehlendorfer Wrote:  

Hi guys, nice thread.

I would appreciate some input:
I have been training Muay Thaifor almost three years now (1-2times the week, plus 1time running). It is fun and good for my stamina. However, I hate getting my ass kicked: Bruises, a broken toe, my left leg hurts since a week now, and a recent knock-out made me rethink this sport.

Some years ago I trained Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling). This is tough too, I know. The coach is a good friend. They train once a week. I would fill the rest of the week with eating iron.

What do you think? Is this just me whining about getting punched in the face?^^ I love thai boxing, but this is too tough sometimes. Man, I need some motivation, I guess.

Some info about Shuai Jiao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQlugPl2YI

You got knocked out sparring? Is that a normal occurrence in your gym?

Muay Thai is cool, but it sounds like you need a new gym. I can't imagine why they'd be having guys training for fun twice a week go so hard. Are you sparring in big gloves?

[blck]

(08-11-2015 09:04 AM)viajero Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 04:57 AM)Zehlendorfer Wrote:  

I would appreciate some input:
I have been training Muay Thaifor almost three years now (1-2times the week, plus 1time running). It is fun and good for my stamina. However, I hate getting my ass kicked: Bruises, a broken toe, my left leg hurts since a week now, and a recent knock-out made me rethink this sport.

You got knocked out sparring? Is that a normal occurrence in your gym?

Muay Thai is cool, but it sounds like you need a new gym. I can't imagine why they'd be having guys training for fun twice a week go so hard. Are you sparring in big gloves?

Why is that ? Not everyone is training for fun and training against more skilled opponents is the way to evolve.
Changing gym is not the solution IMO

(08-11-2015 04:57 AM)Zehlendorfer Wrote:  

However, I hate getting my ass kicked: Bruises, a broken toe, my left leg hurts since a week now, and a recent knock-out made me rethink this sport.

Zehlendorfer just need to learn how to kick without toes and block properly, we all made the same mistakes and it take time to adjust.
Keep going

[viajero]

(08-11-2015 09:24 AM)blck Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 09:04 AM)viajero Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 04:57 AM)Zehlendorfer Wrote:  

I would appreciate some input:
I have been training Muay Thaifor almost three years now (1-2times the week, plus 1time running). It is fun and good for my stamina. However, I hate getting my ass kicked: Bruises, a broken toe, my left leg hurts since a week now, and a recent knock-out made me rethink this sport.

You got knocked out sparring? Is that a normal occurrence in your gym?

Muay Thai is cool, but it sounds like you need a new gym. I can't imagine why they'd be having guys training for fun twice a week go so hard. Are you sparring in big gloves?

Why is that ? Not everyone is training for fun and training against more skilled opponents is the way to evolve.
Changing gym is not the solution IMO

Getting Ko'd in the gym is the way to evolve?

If it was a one-off thing and he caught a punch just right, I understand. If he's routinely getting knocked down and catching big shots, that's dumb.

[blck]

(08-11-2015 09:32 AM)viajero Wrote:  

Getting Ko'd in the gym is the way to evolve?

If it was a one-off thing and he caught a punch just right, I understand. If he's routinely getting knocked down and catching big shots, that's dumb.

I agree with you on this but how many times had someone had been ko'd or just been lightly shocked for not having his guard up enough or letting some space open and getting kicked in the ribs or touch in the liver ?
It's the same for the bruises, on the chin because one thinked that blocking low kick is like what one have seen in movies.

This happen quite some times but getting KO'd from a punch in the face even one time, the opponent must have been a newb or yes there is a problem.

[Saweeep]

Nobody should be regularly getting ko'd doing recreational MT twice per week.

Some more info is needed here really.

[Zehlendorfer]

The knock-out: It was not during sparring but at the normal technical training. My partner was one of the actual K1 fighters. I am 44 years old, well trained but slow. My block wasn't up fast enough.

We had a part-time coach, who spent some years in Thailand. He quit. I just met him in a Café by coincidence. He told me that he thinks our training would be too hard. We have knock-outs regularly at the sparring section. He said that this is not normal.

I will think this over. There are 2 more good gyms where I live.

[Saweeep]

Good call.

I'm 33 and my days of taking big head shots are well and truly over...it takes forever to recover the older you get. I'd hate to be going through that at your age.

Your coach is right, it isn't normal...it's pretty awful really.


On a general note, I'm always wary of self proclaimed MT coaches who have "trained in Thailand".

[StrikeBack]

Yi Long - this is the same guy, right?

Funniest knockout I've seen!

And Master Wong is this dude recommending Wing Chun people to block a boxer by sticking both their arms way out in front...

Not sure how that's legit.

[whoishe]

(08-11-2015 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 05:49 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:21 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I think Judo is a very underrated martial art. Knowing how to do stand-up grappling is a very useful skill, in my opinion, for real-world self-defense situations.

True. Kicks and punches can be devastating for the receiver, but nothing is more than a well applied judo throw against the concrete, the receiver can become crippled for life.

Havent done Judo but dated 2 girls who were black belts, they are feminine and beautiful as fuck.

Question here: why would you do Judo if you can do Jujutsu? From what I understand Jujutsu has the best grappling stuff of Judo (Judo comes from Jujutsu) while still incorporate tons of useful stuff like kick, punch, joint manipulation. That should be a much better combination.

Trying with black belt in Ukraine, but this one will be difficult for various reasons. I can always try to move to gymnasts there though

Regarding jujutsu. I guess the reason why judo is considered better it's that you can't train jujutsu with 100% intensity. Read about Kano Paradox, if you are not familiar with it. It's still very accurate martial arts concept, despite being created over 100 years ago.

My favourite video from this very interesting channel (which is run by someone teaaching English in South Korea and doing martial arts in his free time).
And 7th Dan Judo Master looks quite badass, I love his trip at 2:11.

[Rocha]

(08-11-2015 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 05:49 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:21 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I think Judo is a very underrated martial art. Knowing how to do stand-up grappling is a very useful skill, in my opinion, for real-world self-defense situations.

True. Kicks and punches can be devastating for the receiver, but nothing is more than a well applied judo throw against the concrete, the receiver can become crippled for life.

Havent done Judo but dated 2 girls who were black belts, they are feminine and beautiful as fuck.

Question here: why would you do Judo if you can do Jujutsu? From what I understand Jujutsu has the best grappling stuff of Judo (Judo comes from Jujutsu) while still incorporate tons of useful stuff like kick, punch, joint manipulation. That should be a much better combination.

More than a martial art, Judo is a sport, and with it comes the physical component lacking in other non-competitive martial arts, wich I believe is the case of Jujutsu, like also Krav-maga.

Still, I think no martial art is above any other, they are all good for the people who practice them. I train BJJ (never competed), and cross trained a couple times in Judo and Muay Thai. It is great for the mind and body, and some self-defense skill is always useful.

[cascadecombo]

(08-11-2015 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 05:49 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:21 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I think Judo is a very underrated martial art. Knowing how to do stand-up grappling is a very useful skill, in my opinion, for real-world self-defense situations.

True. Kicks and punches can be devastating for the receiver, but nothing is more than a well applied judo throw against the concrete, the receiver can become crippled for life.

Havent done Judo but dated 2 girls who were black belts, they are feminine and beautiful as fuck.

Question here: why would you do Judo if you can do Jujutsu? From what I understand Jujutsu has the best grappling stuff of Judo (Judo comes from Jujutsu) while still incorporate tons of useful stuff like kick, punch, joint manipulation. That should be a much better combination.

Judo and Jujitsu handle things much differently. Not to mention, many jujitsu places teach you how to buttscoot. Which is retarded.

Judo deals more with standing game and taking someone down, I'd also want to say that the Japanese police force chose Judo over Jujitsu when they were trying to decide what would be better to train their cops.

And, I am pretty positive Jujitsu came from Judo, you are talking about BJJ type stuff right?

[Dalaran1991]

(08-17-2015 02:56 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 05:49 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:21 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I think Judo is a very underrated martial art. Knowing how to do stand-up grappling is a very useful skill, in my opinion, for real-world self-defense situations.

True. Kicks and punches can be devastating for the receiver, but nothing is more than a well applied judo throw against the concrete, the receiver can become crippled for life.

Havent done Judo but dated 2 girls who were black belts, they are feminine and beautiful as fuck.

Question here: why would you do Judo if you can do Jujutsu? From what I understand Jujutsu has the best grappling stuff of Judo (Judo comes from Jujutsu) while still incorporate tons of useful stuff like kick, punch, joint manipulation. That should be a much better combination.

Judo and Jujitsu handle things much differently. Not to mention, many jujitsu places teach you how to buttscoot. Which is retarded.

Judo deals more with standing game and taking someone down, I'd also want to say that the Japanese police force chose Judo over Jujitsu when they were trying to decide what would be better to train their cops.

And, I am pretty positive Jujitsu came from Judo, you are talking about BJJ type stuff right?

No Im talking about traditional JuJutsu that was invented during the Sengoku Jidai as a martial art for the samurai. I mean the real killing stuff. The idea was that on the battlefield sometimes you fall, lose your weapons etc. and there's little point punching some guys wearing plate armor so a system of grappling, choking and precision strikes (sometimes with the dagger Tanto) was invented)

Judo came from Jujutsu just like kendo from kenjutsu. The japs were forbidden to practice martial arts and carry weapons after WWII so people "dilute" the traditional arts down to combat sports.

Among us fencing crowd its common belief that any one doing kenjustsu can whoop ass someone of equal level doing kendo. Not sure how it is with Jujutsu/Judo

BJJ its a much later spin off from Jujutsu, not what I was talking about.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(08-11-2015 09:40 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Yi Long - this is the same guy, right?

Funniest knockout I've seen!

And Master Wong is this dude recommending Wing Chun people to block a boxer by sticking both their arms way out in front...

Not sure how that's legit.

So what are you trying to say?

[StrikeBack]

The first one speaks for itself.

The second one is one of the worst ways you can defend against a boxer.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

So because a guy got knocked out showboating he is an unskilled fighter? I have been training in boxing and martial arts since I was eight years old. That's almost four decades of fight training and knowledge. I have taught many amateur fighters and a few pros. I have been in more street fights than most people here have notch counts. I don't need to argue with a stranger online about who is and who isn't legit. I am sure you could beat both these guys up at the same time since you think they are both poor fighters. Real recognizes real. I can't convince someone who is and isn't a skilled fighter. We just know when we see someone else who understands.