[Medic42]

(07-13-2015 10:23 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:52 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

For the record your belt is the best improvised weapon you have against a knife. The belt while being mostly non lethal (unledd used as a garrote) is a long range weapon in comparison to a knife.

Nah, a boot to the assailant's balls is the best weapon you have, although I always carry a quality 3.5" knife, and occasionally carry a .45 where it's legal. It really and truly blows my mind on these threads how many guys say they would stand back and watch someone being stabbed/beaten to death. Brings to mind the old "first they came for the socialists" quote and makes an interesting juxtaposition to the cheers videos like the Russian boxer knocking out the several drunk dudes receive. Everyone wants to see justice done, but few want to be inconvenienced to see it happen.

I've talked my way out of far more fights than I've been in, which honestly is just a few (not counting hundreds of rounds of throwing on some boxing gloves and full force sparring with buddies) but I am not being an internet tough guy when I say that I'd jump in without even thinking, armed or not, as would any of the guys I grew up sparring with. I've heard of crazier shit they jumped into. It's not that it's alpha, or even logical, but it helps create the kind of world I want to live in. When I step in to answer a guy's question on a forum dealing with some ofmy other interests, or yield rather than accelerating into a roundabout it's the same idea at a much lesser scale - giving up some time to further that pay it forward reciprocity and make that world a little bit more likely. The same reason I'm replying here, judging by the trend I'll catch nothing but heat, but I want to live in a world where the guy next to me would have my back if some psycho jumped, just like I'd have his. Because we are part of the same tribe at some level of human non-psychos if nothing else. It's a thankless task in this case since we now know the guy was a SJW pudwacker, but it could just as easily have been the cop in Vegas who had the same thing happen, or the guy who's researching the anti-cancer protein which might save my dad's life in 4 years.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, maybe it's just a forum thing. I think it's unfortunate either way.

That's your choice to make, as a young Spock would say, "morally praiseworthy but not morally obligatory." The legal, financial, and safety risk aren't worth it to me. Saying it makes someone beta to not risk their life for another male, who is too weak to defend himself is patently ridiculous. Assuming I was lucky enough to win, I'm pretty sure cell phone videos of my 195lb shaved headed, lilly white ass stomping a black 18 year old kids head into the floor wouldn't play out real well in the media. I can already hear the "he was just a kid... it was just the drugs he was a good boy... he was a trained fighter he coulda Steven Seagalled that knife right outta his hand!"

As the Hodge twins would say, "Do whatever the fuck, you wanna do!"

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Despite the folly and dangers of trying to tackle a knife wielding thug - this case is rather specific.

The "youth" spent a considerable amount of time stabbing the victim - he had 20 stab wounds on his body

http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/court-records...-stabbing/

Quote:

Multiple riders witnessed Spires attack Sutherland and then rob two other passengers on the train. In interviews with police, the witnesses say that Spires punched Sutherland after the two struggled over an unknown item. Sutherland fell to the train floor and Spires began to stab him with a knife.

A witness says Sutherland was bleeding. Another told police that Spires had blood on his arms and hands.

Spires threw Sutherland’s cellphone at the dying man and then walked away. But he returned and stomped on Sutherland’s body, according to one witness. Another passenger tells police that Spires kicked the dying man.

Witnesses say Spires robbed two other passengers before leaving the train at the NoMa-Gallaudet Station, where he was seen dropping a black bag.

Inside the bag, police say they found a bloody cloth and an insurance card with Spires’ name on it. Police also found the knife they believe Spires used in the attack in a trash can at the station.

Spires had been arrested just two days earlier in Friendship Heights on charges of robbery and assaulting a police officer.

So he stabbed him, then after Sutherland fell, he kneed over him and stabbed him some more. Afterwards he threw the bloody Iphone at the victim, robbed 2 closest passengers. Then he supposedly still turned around angered and stomped on Sutherlands head for good measure.

Especially when the guy was on the floor stabbing the victim 20 times there was some time to kick or overwhelm the thug in unison.

But we don't know really how the situation developed. The train was full with people and there may have been only elderly men or women right next to the action. You would have to have pushed the other passengers aside to reach the thug.

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Also if you read the last sentence of the quote you see one of the reasons why you have a statistically lower crime rate. "Hold and release" is a thing and is becoming more common as they want to cook the statistics even more as a big success.

It's like Global Warming - it can become cooler in reality, but if you take off-line measuring stations in the countryside (while keeping those in the cities in operation) and in addition simply manipulate the numbers, then you still have warming despite a cooling happening.

[Guitarman]

Two things occur to me about this case;

1) All scenario theorising aside it is difficult, if not impossible to know how you would react in this type of situation.

2) This quote; "

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ (or words to that effect)"

English philosopher Edmund Burke.

[Guitarman]

And 3) Zelcorpion "Also if you read the last sentence of the quote you see one of the reasons why you have a statistically lower crime rate. "Hold and release" is a thing and is becoming more common as they want to cook the statistics even more as a big success.

It's like Global Warming - it can become cooler in reality, but if you take off-line measuring stations in the countryside (while keeping those in the cities in operation) and in addition simply manipulate the numbers, then you still have warming despite a cooling happening."

True, maybe the media will blame this attack on global warming!

[samsamsam]

Where is the video? Always some fool recording this shit.

See someone get hit by a car and lay bleeding on the street? Don't dial 911, film it.

[Dusty]

Maybe this was a gay bashing?

[TheWastelander]

So some internet sleuth put together this image:

[Paracelsus]

I'm starting to wonder who had the lower IQ: the victim or the killer's buddies.

[Quintus Curtius]

(07-13-2015 10:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:22 PM)Helium1 Wrote:  

"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword."

This social warrior spent his life defending thugs, attacking the police and the second amendment. Now that reality sets in he payed the consequences for his twisted vision of the world.

When you say he defended thugs(which I guess these days means basically any black person) what are you specifically referring to? What "thugs" was he defending?

How is criticizing heavy-handed and illegal police tactics attacking police? Or are you one of these people who think cops should should be judge, jury and executioner like it is in the 3rd world?

I'm honestly sickened by all this talk of how he got what he deserved for being a liberal.

Speak,

I don't get the sense that people are "glad" that this guy got stabbed. That would be going too far.

Our sentiments are a bit different.

The better way to say it is this: there is a perverse sense of irony that this victim, who seems to have been a gay liberal of the SJW type, spent his time parroting the standard SJW-leftist party line.

And yet even this did not save him. He was swallowed up by the violence and evil that he himself saw fit to ignore. Blinded by his ideological glasses, he failed to see where the real threats to his life originated from.

So he was a fool.

He toed the leftist party line, and all that that entailed: whining about racism, police "brutality", and all the other panoply of lies that are fed to us on a daily basis.

I hope that if any good comes out of this tragedy, it is this: that some of the knee-jerk, rich, white liberal types take a good hard look at the society they live in, and re-think some of their ideas.

What's sickening to me is that if anyone had tried to use violence to stop this attack, he himself would likely have been accused of something. That's the world we live in now.

Oh, and one other thing.

In most countries of the world, if something like this happened, that murderer would not have left that train compartment alive. He would have been swarmed by an angry mob, which would most likely have torn him limb from limb.

.

[The Beast1]

If you're going to use pepper spray in a crowded space you better be ready to use your legs or something to knock the knife out of the attacker's hands.

Sad the SJW died. More people of his ilk will be the first to go when the SHTF.

[speakeasy]

(07-16-2015 11:38 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 10:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:22 PM)Helium1 Wrote:  

"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword."

This social warrior spent his life defending thugs, attacking the police and the second amendment. Now that reality sets in he payed the consequences for his twisted vision of the world.

When you say he defended thugs(which I guess these days means basically any black person) what are you specifically referring to? What "thugs" was he defending?

How is criticizing heavy-handed and illegal police tactics attacking police? Or are you one of these people who think cops should should be judge, jury and executioner like it is in the 3rd world?

I'm honestly sickened by all this talk of how he got what he deserved for being a liberal.

Speak,

I don't get the sense that people are "glad" that this guy got stabbed. That would be going too far.

Our sentiments are a bit different.

The better way to say it is this: there is a perverse sense of irony that this victim, who seems to have been a gay liberal of the SJW type, spent his time parroting the standard SJW-leftist party line.

And yet even this did not save him. He was swallowed up by the violence and evil that he himself saw fit to ignore. Blinded by his ideological glasses, he failed to see where the real threats to his life originated from.

So he was a fool.

He toed the leftist party line, and all that that entailed: whining about racism, police "brutality", and all the other panoply of lies that are fed to us on a daily basis.

I hope that if any good comes out of this tragedy, it is this: that some of the knee-jerk, rich, white liberal types take a good hard look at the society they live in, and re-think some of their ideas.

What's sickening to me is that if anyone had tried to use violence to stop this attack, he himself would likely have been accused of something. That's the world we live in now.

Oh, and one other thing.

In most countries of the world, if something like this happened, that murderer would not have left that train compartment alive. He would have been swarmed by an angry mob, which would most likely have torn him limb from limb.

.

We'll have to respectfully disagree. Here's an analogy of what this seems like to me. Most guys in here are opposed to feminism and the narrative of rape culture. Now suppose your own sister or daughter got raped. I don't mean one of those "I regret it the next day" rapes. I mean a real rape like in a parking lot by a stranger. Now imagine these feminists started throwing schadenfreude in your direction saying that maybe now you'll realize that feminists are right along all along now that your own daughter got raped. And that's what you get for having all those manosphere views fighting feminism and denying rape culture now that rape victimized your daughter. It would be the same shit.

Edit--

I'm not implying that I agree with all of his views, nor the intensity with which he believed them. I'm annoyed by ardent SJW types myself. Although on a certain level I admittedly have a soft spot for whites who stand up for black people. I view them the way I view whites who marched alongside MLK while the reset of white America couldn't care less about what was happening to us.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quintus Curtius Wrote:

Oh, and one other thing.

In most countries of the world, if something like this happened, that murderer would not have left that train compartment alive. He would have been swarmed by an angry mob, which would most likely have torn him limb from limb.

Case in point:

Kenya Daily Post Wrote:

A schoolgirl's body is found raped and strangled, a child of the rapist discovers her sweater at their house and alerts neighbors, neighbors stone the man to death and burn his remains.

http://www.kenyan-post.com/2015/07/man-l...lling.html

[Simeon_Strangelight]

It is interesting how Kevin Sutherland more or less condoned the Baltimore Riots excusing them as a "nothing left to lose" crowd.

He might have thought it was a good idea to protest against getting his Iphone taken away from him. He thought that giving the thug his money should be enough to placate the "impoverished and oppressed" youth.

The comments made by the friends of the thug are also quite telling. Killing someone does not make you a killer. Well - of course it does, but what the young man probably meant is that a soldier, cop or someone acting via self-defense may kill someone, it does not make those people murderers.

What makes you a socially non-sanctioned murderer is when you go into a subway train with the intention to rob people at knife-point and then react violently when one victim does not do exactly what you want him to do. Killing someone during a robbery is very different than being ordered to kill in the line of duty or while defending yourself.

But what can you expect when ISIS/Al Quaeda psychopaths are being called freedom fighters even by the media - all while they are busy doing the most gruesome acts. The media also called the Baltimore riots a simple expressions of protest and sanctioned partly that behavior. So of course shifting morality further, then killing someone during a robbery is just a sign of a justified process as the impoverished individual only wanted to transfer wealth from the more prosperous to the more "oppressed" - all legit you know.

[Off The Reservation]

(07-09-2015 05:51 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Goodbye America indeed.

Once, American men, as simple as semi literate farm boys from Indiana, hopped in the cramped seats of a Dauntless dive bomber, and flew them into hot lead fire storms of the most feared combat group in the world at the time...

the Imperial Japanese Navy taskforce at the Battle of Midway

a thug with a knife would have seemed trite to them. Now his great grandson watches by as another human being gets stabbed, and that grandson hopes that if he does nothing, stares away and avoids "whatchyu lookin' at" that everything will be ok. Then he can go home, put on his pyjamas, drink hot chocolate and go go on twitter to post how we need to ban the confederate flag to make the world a better place.

It doesn't take much training to disarm a wielded knife with nothing more than a jacket, only we cant teach our boys this because they instead have to attend sensitivity training.

Something brilliant, western civilisation, is being dismantled here.

very well said

[samsamsam]

(07-16-2015 02:18 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 05:51 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Goodbye America indeed.

Once, American men, as simple as semi literate farm boys from Indiana, hopped in the cramped seats of a Dauntless dive bomber, and flew them into hot lead fire storms of the most feared combat group in the world at the time...

the Imperial Japanese Navy taskforce at the Battle of Midway

a thug with a knife would have seemed trite to them. Now his great grandson watches by as another human being gets stabbed, and that grandson hopes that if he does nothing, stares away and avoids "whatchyu lookin' at" that everything will be ok. Then he can go home, put on his pyjamas, drink hot chocolate and go go on twitter to post how we need to ban the confederate flag to make the world a better place.

It doesn't take much training to disarm a wielded knife with nothing more than a jacket, only we cant teach our boys this because they instead have to attend sensitivity training.

Something brilliant, western civilisation, is being dismantled here.

very well said

Even worse his great grandson is the guy being stabbed and didn't have the common sense to hand over the phone. Didn't build his body to protect himself and thought it was ok to riot.

I am starting to think some liberals who are so ok with the nonsense really don't like their country very much. Or more like they didn't have to sacrifice to earn any of what they have (freedom of speech, etc). So they don't appreciate it and don't give it much value, so they piss it on it so easily.

I will say conservatives, despite their own craziness, seem to love this country more sometimes. Liberals seem to show their love for country by demanding more from it.

JFK was right, but sadly these new Democrats have no appreciation for the message.

Quote:

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

[Quintus Curtius]

(07-16-2015 01:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

We'll have to respectfully disagree. Here's an analogy of what this seems like to me. Most guys in here are opposed to feminism and the narrative of rape culture. Now suppose your own sister or daughter got raped. I don't mean one of those "I regret it the next day" rapes. I mean a real rape like in a parking lot by a stranger. Now imagine these feminists started throwing schadenfreude in your direction saying that maybe now you'll realize that feminists are right along all along now that your own daughter got raped. And that's what you get for having all those manosphere views fighting feminism and denying rape culture now that rape victimized your daughter. It would be the same shit.

Edit--

I'm not implying that I agree with all of his views, nor the intensity with which he believed them. I'm annoyed by ardent SJW types myself. Although on a certain level I admittedly have a soft spot for whites who stand up for black people. I view them the way I view whites who marched alongside MLK while the reset of white America couldn't care less about what was happening to us.

I actually do agree with what you're saying, but I'm trying to draw a fine-line distinction here between to close, but distinctly different, things:

1. Schadenfreude, which is delighting in someone else's misery.
2. Bitter irony, which is a dispassionate, neutral observation on how Fate can produce unexpected outcomes.

I tried to be very careful in how I worded my earlier post. I am definitely not "delighting" in this guy's misery, nor anyone else's.

But I am entitled to make an observation on the the ironic cruelties of life.

I think there is a fine-line difference between these two things.

[RexImperator]

Hmmm. I was thinking "Beta males on a train" sounds a lot like "Snakes on a plane". Could be movie potential there.

And now back to your regular programming.

[slothpiece]

Did any of you catch the spin the Post used in the original story shifting blame from the attacker to being on synthetic marijuana? I thought that was garbage since there was no evidence, just inserted speculation:

http://noreferer.link/?http://www.washin...story.html

Quote:

Authorities suspect that the man charged with fatally stabbing a passenger during a daytime robbery aboard a Metro train Saturday may have been high on synthetic drugs, according to several D.C. police officials with knowledge of the investigation.

Quote:

Paul Spires would not say whether he believed that his brother used synthetic drugs.

Quote:

If police determine that the killing is linked to synthetic drug use, it would be the latest incident in which use of the drugs has led to violence in the city. Lanier and other city officials have said it is a growing problem and have made targeting the drugs a priority. They said synthetic marijuana can produce effects similar to that of the hallucinogen PCP, which can cause psychotic and violent behavior.

Sure enough, the Bowser administration took the opportunity to respond and spin it this way after this crime wave is taking place under her administration and under Chief Lanier's lack of leadership:

http://noreferer.link/?http://dc.gov/rel...%80%9D-law

Quote:

Mayor Bowser Signs “Sale of Synthetic Drugs Emergency Amendment Act of 2015” Into Law
Friday, July 10, 2015
Businesses warned: "Two strikes, you're out"

(Washington, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser, joined by administration officials and members of the DC Council, signed the “Sale of Synthetic Drugs Emergency Amendment Act of 2015” into law. This law will combat the use and sale of synthetic drugs throughout the city by authorizing law enforcement and regulatory officials to take swifter and stronger action against bad acting businesses that sell these illegal products. The law significantly increases the penalties for any business found to be selling synthetic drugs.

“I have issued a fair warning to business owners who continue to sell and distribute these dangerous drugs” said Mayor Bowser. “The new law takes a 'two strikes and you’re out' approach. Beginning today, any business that possesses synthetic drugs will face harsh penalties for the first offense and will lose their license after a second offense. I thank the Council for their swift action and residents from all eight wards for strongly supporting this legislation to crack down on the sale of these drugs.”

The new law states that the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) now has the authority to shut down a first-offender for up to 96 hours, with a $10,000 fine for its first violation. MPD has also been given the authority to shut down repeat offenders for up to 30 days, with a $20,000 fine, while the Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs (DCRA) will move to permanently revoke its license.

“The entire community has been impacted by the increase in availability of these drugs. Our message today is clear: If you are selling synthetic drugs in this city, we are going to shut you down," said Police Chief Cathy Lanier.

Synthetic drugs are potent hallucinogens which have been found for sale at some retail establishments, such as liquor stores and gas stations in the District. They are often referred to as synthetic marijuana and frequently packaged under brand names such as K2, Scooby Snax, Bizzaro or Spice.

“Synthetic drugs have no place in District businesses. Stores that profit from the pain and suffering of their customers by selling synthetic drugs will forfeit the opportunity to do business here,” said DCRA Director Melinda Bolling.

The side effects of these drugs are severe and may include seizures, suicidal behavior, erratic and violent behavior, and even death. These drugs can render a person to be incoherent, disorderly, aggressive, and unconscious.

“Synthetic drugs are not only illegal, they are also dangerous to one’s health and can cause life-threatening reactions. We are working with District of Columbia hospitals to better understand the demographics of synthetic drug usage so that we can target resources to reduce the negative impact of these drugs on our community,” said Department of Health Director Dr. LaQuandra Nesbitt.

Mayor Bowser and city officials are hopeful to see a drop in synthetic drug overdoses throughout the city following the signing of this legislation into law.

Businesses can show their support for their community by signing a pledge, available at wepledge.dc.gov. Shortly after a business signs, DCRA will provide a sticker that the business can display. The sticker will let the community know that the store is synthetic drugs free.

[Medic42]

(07-16-2015 11:38 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Speak,

I don't get the sense that people are "glad" that this guy got stabbed. That would be going too far.

Our sentiments are a bit different.

The better way to say it is this: there is a perverse sense of irony that this victim, who seems to have been a gay liberal of the SJW type, spent his time parroting the standard SJW-leftist party line.

And yet even this did not save him. He was swallowed up by the violence and evil that he himself saw fit to ignore. Blinded by his ideological glasses, he failed to see where the real threats to his life originated from.

So he was a fool.

He toed the leftist party line, and all that that entailed: whining about racism, police "brutality", and all the other panoply of lies that are fed to us on a daily basis.

I hope that if any good comes out of this tragedy, it is this: that some of the knee-jerk, rich, white liberal types take a good hard look at the society they live in, and re-think some of their ideas.

What's sickening to me is that if anyone had tried to use violence to stop this attack, he himself would likely have been accused of something. That's the world we live in now.

Oh, and one other thing.

In most countries of the world, if something like this happened, that murderer would not have left that train compartment alive. He would have been swarmed by an angry mob, which would most likely have torn him limb from limb.

.

[lido]

So the victim was a SJW, and he was killed exactly by those who he was protecting

oh the irony...

[lemko]

These SJW types will also be delusional when TSHTF. They think those minorities will spare them because those minorities will perceive them as "one of the good ones." Wrong - they'll be the first one slaughtered because they won't even realize the peril they face and that those attacking them don't perceive a difference between them and the most rabid white supremacist. They'll be cannon fodder in any upcoming race war.

[Aurini]

(07-16-2015 03:00 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

1. Schadenfreude, which is delighting in someone else's misery.
2. Bitter irony, which is a dispassionate, neutral observation on how Fate can produce unexpected outcomes.

An important linguistic distinction that many get wrong.

One thing I've been noting is that any time I read about somebody getting beaten or murdered by some rioting 'youths', it is almost invariably the sort of leftoid, SJW shills who go after anybody on the right, doxxing and trying to destroy their careers - or even SWATing them, if they can figure out their address. Admittedly this is informal, not statistically based, but the closest I've seen to anybody on the Right is a single old man who used to be a Marine.

I'm beginning to suspect that there's more than just a racial element to these crimes; there's also an element of disgust and contempt for Liberal degenerates, the same animus felt by any red-blooded man feels whenever they behold one of these cuck-boys.

If I'd been on that train, the thug would have been breathing in his own blood after I slit his throat open (and that's not idle boasting; I've fought men in the past to defend an innocent); but with the state that our society is in, I've run out of sympathy for the rabbits of the world. That scum-sucker spat upon Justice, lived as an animal, and so he died as an animal, crying and screaming. When you tempt God, you wind up dealing with Karma instead of the Holy Spirit - and Karma's a bitch.

If everybody got what they deserved, it would be a bloody world indeed, which is why I take no pleasure in him getting his just desserts. I would have defended him, had I been there, because I have Hope for a better world than this. But him? He wanted Utopia. He wanted to lie about reality, and hide from his sins, rather than confronting them and overcoming them.

He's the one who lived in the world of Dialectical Materialism, who wanted to be nothing but a cog in the corporate machine, and everybody gets what they want in the end.

He got his; don't pity him, he was the author of his own fate.