[WalterBlack]

(06-23-2015 07:01 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  

The only solution I can really think of to fix this problem on a mass scale is legalizing prostitution in the U.S and detaching the stigma associated with it. You sort of can't really tell woman who to be attracted to and if they want top tier males then they'll fuck their top tier males and ignore all the average/below average. The only problem to prostitution would be woman since they don't want to give up any of their pussy power. It would mean they might actually have to do anything besides exist in the dating game in the U.S.

Prostitution is legal in Australia isn’t it? According to the RVF Travel forum Australian men are fit and in shape and are dating heifers. One has to wonder if the legality prostitution has improved Australian women. Prostitution is borderline legal in UK and most of the women there are atrocious.

[Il Bersagliere]

(06-23-2015 07:13 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

This is somewhat related. Did anyone ever hear anything else about that black guy from Ohio who went to Asia to meet a girl and ended up in the hospital? Was anybody from here able to get in touch with him?

This is the article in question, in case you guys wanna take a look at that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ested.html

Some common sense could've done him some good here.

[EuphoricWizard]

(06-23-2015 07:37 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:01 PM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  

The only solution I can really think of to fix this problem on a mass scale is legalizing prostitution in the U.S and detaching the stigma associated with it. You sort of can't really tell woman who to be attracted to and if they want top tier males then they'll fuck their top tier males and ignore all the average/below average. The only problem to prostitution would be woman since they don't want to give up any of their pussy power. It would mean they might actually have to do anything besides exist in the dating game in the U.S.

Prostitution is legal in Australia isn’t it? According to the RVF Travel forum Australian men are fit and in shape and are dating heifers. One has to wonder if the legality prostitution has improved Australian women. Prostitution is borderline legal in UK and most of the women there are atrocious.

Well it might take a while to set in but if men decide that they can just go to prostitutes instead of deal with some heffers Herculean 12 labors of qualifications then eventually woman will have to improve. My solution was more for men who have no chance of getting play unless they pay for it. This can at least satisfy the basic human need for sex but the emotional need will still likely be unfulfilled. Maybe this VR phase that's coming up in gaming and the Japanese love of virtual GFs can fill that niche. Again though you would have to find a way to destigmatize those activites.

[Repo]

Prostitutes will do nothing for guys like this.

Hell, even now while prostitutes are illegal they are not hard to come across.

Its not the physical act of sex that drives these guys crazy. Its the perception that they aren't wanted, and that they feel themselves worthy of being wanted. They feel that they are worth more than the women rejecting them, and thus put forth minimal effort into gaming them. Then when their lackluster effort fails, they go into a deep cycle of depression because no one wants of loves them. They know a prostitute only gives attention for money. And they value themselves so much over prostitutes that even the idea disgusts them. Read Elliots writings to better understand these guys inner thoughts. Both of these two are cut from the same cloth.

[Onto]

(06-23-2015 04:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:14 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  

He approached women, hey that's what PUAs and MRAs like Roosh do!!! *fires off email to Nick Denton saying she has a new story for tomorrow*

If he came to us, he would be in Thailand right now enjoying life and women.

Asian women in America are often worse than American women themselves.

It's a shame so many men in America have no idea how different women are in other countries and what there own value will be there.

If the soil isn't good for growing you move to another place where it is.

[Rutting Elephant]

For some otherwise high-functioning men obsessed with Asian women, smashing their faces makes sense. Others slip piss and jizz into their coffee.

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Michael Lohman, 28, a third-year doctoral student, was arrested March 30. He admitted to surreptitiously cutting locks of hair from at least nine Asian women. He also admitted to pouring his urine and semen into the drinks of Asian women more than 50 times in Princeton’s graduate student dining hall and other places. Investigators found women’s underwear and mittens filled with the hair of Asian women at the apartment Lohman shared with his wife of four years, who is Asian. Police believe Lohman stole the mittens from Asian women and then used them to masturbate.

Lohman, a top student in the applied and computational mathematics department, was charged with reckless endangerment, tampering with a food product, harassment and theft. Princeton President Shirley Tilghman has officially banned Lohman from campus, and he is undergoing psychiatric evaluation.

[speakeasy]

(06-23-2015 07:30 AM)vinman Wrote:  

Game saves lives.

Only if you have a foundation of mental sanity and baseline social callibration. Game isn't going to save an aspie psychopath.

Let's just be glad he didn't go out Eliot Rodgers style.

[Samseau]

(06-23-2015 09:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:30 AM)vinman Wrote:  

Game saves lives.

Only if you have a foundation of mental sanity and baseline social callibration. Game isn't going to save an aspie psychopath.

It's so crazy though. If you read his blog he seems totally normal, then within the span of 2 weeks the dude just loses it and goes full American Psycho.

Personally I also think the NYC effect was killing his soul over time. It's just not healthy to be around so many new faces all the time. You can't even learn your neighbor's name in NYC, you won't see him more than once.

[catoblepa]

I'm actually surprised that all these instances of incels acting crazy are surfacing only now, since sexual liberation and hypergamy failed a lot of men since the 60s. or maybe it's long been an ongoing process and all the maniacs and people displaying anti-social and destructive behaviors can be explained by that among other things.

[Samseau]

(06-23-2015 10:10 PM)catoblepa Wrote:  

I'm actually surprised that all these instances of incels acting crazy are surfacing only now, since sexual liberation and hypergamy failed a lot of men since the 60s. or maybe it's long been an ongoing process and all the maniacs and people displaying anti-social and destructive behaviors can be explained by that among other things.

It's caused by a number of things which reduces the total supply of pussy for young men:

- High rates of divorce and low rates of marriage = more older men competing in the market for young pussy reducing supply
- Obesity epidemic drastically reduces supply of bangable women
- Bitch feminists and lesbians also reduce total supply
- Declining birth rates over time = fewer young girls

End result: omega male armageddon. Lifelong incels who take their rage out on anyone they can before meeting death.

[Beyond Borders]

(06-23-2015 04:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:14 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  

He approached women, hey that's what PUAs and MRAs like Roosh do!!! *fires off email to Nick Denton saying she has a new story for tomorrow*

If he came to us, he would be in Thailand right now enjoying life and women.

Crazy people get themselves in trouble here too.

Yes, he would have gotten laid, but do you really think pussy is a cure-all for crazy?

It is not. And believe me, these third world girls can mess with a man's head like no other. Especially the kind that would screw a guy as unstable and inept as this one.

I've seen far better men crumble to the games and wiles of the southeast Asian bar whore. even "regular girls" for that matter.

Just before I moved to Sihanoukville, some loon ball bashed one's brains out with a pool stick in a jealous rage because she was flirting with another guy in front of him. I imagine she'd been screwing with his head for awhile, but just think of it - guy is rotting in a Cambodian jail because he was jealous of a bottom rung prostitute...

Do we have the capacity here to save guys like that from their own selves? You can point the way to unlimited feminine attention, but can you remove emotional challenge from his life? Are we to think men are so infallible they can't just be crazy and incapable of dealing with the real world?

Sending the mentally unstable to the sharks is not the answer. Mental health care is.

[Cobra]

(06-23-2015 07:44 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

Again, you're missing the point entirely.

Yes, race was an issue with both, obviously - hence it not limited to only white guys. That is a pre-existing fertilizer that will fill the void of these neurotic omega males with absolutely nowhere to go in society.

The issues in the case are obviously both sociological(race) and psychological(mentally fucked). I'll try to make my point as clear as possible and hope you can objectively follow it this time.

It's not that I disagree with the fact that these are nut jobs but the difference between factions in our membership is to the magnitude at which each of the factions think specific reasons are relevant. Some of this cannot be theorized and requires experiencing it yourself. I find it fairly easy to distinguish who has or hasn't on the forum.

Race and racism aren't "just" the pre-existing fertilizer but rather a relevant and sensitive fiber of the foundation in which the US was built. It gets neatly tucked away in the background aside from its blatant exploitation by the media. Compare that to other cultures, where it is more open and understood. Whether this is positive or negative is another discussion. The point is the US had such large issues with race that its "progressive" nature has allowed for such a non confrontational environment that it encourages individuals to ignore it. The more it's ignored, the more it fuels the mental anguish that already exists from prior unrelated psychological as well as sociological issues for a lot of men. So guess where they turn? The only mediums they can. Primarily media but also race focused groups like Neo Nazis etc.

Each race has its own challenges with identity and how they fit into a culture, especially in the US since the bad history is very recent. To just say "oh it's race; let's mention it real quick and categorize it as loosely as possible so we can get rid of it" doesn't make sense. This level of sensitivity regarding race created by the very environment that men grow up in makes them descend further into the abyss of depression than they otherwise would. So, saying that both are race issues and shutting the door on that component of the discussion is elementary at best and symptomatic of the political correctness the US has delved into. I'm not surprised this has also leaked into the forum both in the form of trolling and outright denialism or media blaming.

As I already said, media is one outlet for these guys. And the media over glorifies it for emotional results and ratings and in turn bastardizes the issue to such an extent that it turns into bullshit. That's something I agree with. Unfortunately this very bastardization is one of the many factors that undermine the reality of the issue and even fuels the ignorance that causes the lack of an open and honest discussion. It's like people ignore it during their day to day interactions with others only to get their ignorance satisfied with PC messages on TV or social media. As shitty as we think these outlets are, they sure as heck affect the masses and even some of the forum membership.

So now we have black people that are averse to white people and white people that think they have to be PC in the real world and secretly (or on RVF) get upset "at the media" based on what they just saw on the news. In the middle you've got sensible white and black people that have to break through these "barriers" to have a real connection or conversation with any race including their own. You also have sensible people of other cultures and races that get caught up in this relentless circle. And let's not forget door number 3 which has these numb skulls vent their already pent up frustration and projecting it towards race and death.

Maybe I made my point clear enough this time. Honestly, my writing isn't as good as some of you guys'. So if someone doesn't get it, I'm not sure what else to say.

[Sooth]

With this type of sudden unpredictable outburst becoming more common, if you start to notice strange cues in other people you definitely want to be proactive about helping them personally.

That way you'll just get a "Morning Jim" as he skips your office with an AK-47 to continue his rampage.

In all serious though, I'll be paying a bit more attention if I come across anything suspicious that may be a muffled cry for help.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

You beat a nice, well-behaved dog until the point that it starts lashing out at all and sundry. You then turn around and say, "Told you so, it was crazy all along": The predicament of incels who go postal.

[Dalaran1991]

I'm of the camp that this guy need to just get laid to balance out his out of wack cojones.

A lot of the problems guys have could easily be cured with getting some ass, no matter how. Then their raging hormones could calm down and they could start using their heads to think straight.

[Kizman]

This dude reminds me a lot of the IRT, except much more volatile. That's the problem when you put one race of females on the pedestal, but can't access them.

If he had found RVF, he might still be alive today.

[Rutting Elephant]

^ do we know that IRT is still alive?

[Bill Brasky]

I see black guys with some gorgeous women; white, asian, and latin women. I know it's not very common, but the black guys I see with good looking women are usually pretty jacked or they're a hipster type, think Pharrell.

Does it make me a bit jealous to see a black dude with a hot girl, especially if I'm on a dry spell, sure. But then I realize that they put in the work and that if I want what they have I need to do the same.

"Don't wish the game was easier, wish you were better" is the axiom I live by.

[Bill Brasky]

He needs to come to Thailand and become a Muay Thai fighter. I see brothers here that train Muay Thai and some of them get some really good looking Thai tail.

UPDATE:

Nevermind, I guess he's dead now.

[TravelerKai]

(06-23-2015 07:13 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

This is somewhat related. Did anyone ever hear anything else about that black guy from Ohio who went to Asia to meet a girl and ended up in the hospital? Was anybody from here able to get in touch with him?

I got too busy to try tracking him down. Maybe in a couple of months I can try and track him down. If not, maybe I can see if a PI can get me a name or address. I definitely want to talk to him. He should be settled back in by now and recovered.

[TravelerKai]

(06-23-2015 04:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:14 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  

He approached women, hey that's what PUAs and MRAs like Roosh do!!! *fires off email to Nick Denton saying she has a new story for tomorrow*

If he came to us, he would be in Thailand right now enjoying life and women.

I now feel conflicted a little bit. DOBA is making an excellent point but I still think you are correct too Roosh. I know a handful of black guys in the manosphere who are either bi-polar, Aspergers, or something worse. They know better than to kill themselves. A couple are MGTOWs and the others are p4pers, traveling players or a mix of both.

There is a guy I won't name publicly, that is not black, has issues, but is known well enough in the Manosphere that cannot get a date in the US to save his life, but is finding success in Asia right now.

While DOBA is right about mental illnesses, the American society we have magnifies any negative attribute regarding any person that lives here. A guy with a handicap can elevate themselves to a higher status and quality of life in places with better social norms. See CleanSlate's story here and that proves it.

I was watching a movie recently "Killing Them Softly" with Brad Pitt, and at the end his character told another person,

Quote:

This guy wants to tell me we're living in a community? Don't make me laugh. I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now fuckin' pay me.

That is a powerful quote that is spot on. This place is soulless, hedonistic, and only the strongest thrive in it well. Basically like the inside of your typical corporation. You could be cleaning the toilets in this company called America for your whole life, because that is the best you are capable of doing with the tools you have to work with. Before some knucklehead starts ranting and raving about opportunity and working hard, if your mental health is not capable of taking advantage of those opportunities, working hard won't get you jack shit around here.

If they have a chance to live sweet or just overall better by going to Asia or whatever, the effects of their mental issues would have less negative impact overall. Game can make it better as well, but that is an inner thing. They need to be willing to accept it, study it, and use it. Without it they can still have success regardless because the environment may be more conducive to their lives as a better overall social situation.

Had this kid gotten to Asia, he eventually could have gotten his dick wet or some attention. Many men calm the fuck down after this. Surprise, surprise. After release, more strategy and problem solving thinking can be had. Then he could have recalibrated his thinking some more to figure out how to improve upon his pulls. Remember this dude had the balls to approach 100 women in the first place. Lots of guys, even non-thirsty ones, struggle with that and have no mental issues. This is alot of the reason why I think Roosh is correct in this case.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

"While DOBA is right about mental illnesses, the American society we have magnifies any negative attribute regarding any person that lives here. A guy with a handicap can elevate themselves to a higher status and quality of life in places with better social norms. See CleanSlate's story here and that proves it."

This is getting to the heart of the matter: In former times it used to be the case that a guy would be forgiven the odd imperfection or two in his social skills; indeed such quirks might even have rendered the guy endearing to some women. Not any more: Today's women - especially in the Anglosphere - will cut a guy no slack and expect airtight game as a minimum from the getgo, with the slightest offvibe or failure to pass one of their myriad shit tests resulting in the guy getting blown out. I'm basing this on what I'm seeing in the UK, incidentally.

As a consequence of the above, ever more guys are falling through the cracks. It's a very lazy response to say that such guys who lash out are "crazy", because this expression is meaningless until placed in its relevant context and we can answer the question, "But what drove them crazy in the first place?". Not being able to get laid, however hard one tries, is surely one reason for ending up in a state of - potentially - violent frustration and, for some, ultimately losing it.

[zombiejimmorrison]

Quote:

I have no choice, but to react this way. Everyday people hurt my feelings and its not fair. Truthfully, I feel so much better after hitting an asian Woman in the face with a steel rod. It was the greatest achievement of my life.

Are people really sympathizing with someone who hits women in the face with a metal rod because they are hurting him by not doing anything. It's like a feminist punching you in the balls for being a cis white male and saying I have no choice because you're part of the patriarchy.

Daysofbrokenarrows raised a good point. This guy was crazy and needed to be institutionalized or on pills.

[Socrates]

(06-23-2015 10:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 10:10 PM)catoblepa Wrote:  

I'm actually surprised that all these instances of incels acting crazy are surfacing only now, since sexual liberation and hypergamy failed a lot of men since the 60s. or maybe it's long been an ongoing process and all the maniacs and people displaying anti-social and destructive behaviors can be explained by that among other things.

It's caused by a number of things which reduces the total supply of pussy for young men:

- High rates of divorce and low rates of marriage = more older men competing in the market for young pussy reducing supply
- Obesity epidemic drastically reduces supply of bangable women
- Bitch feminists and lesbians also reduce total supply
- Declining birth rates over time = fewer young girls

End result: omega male armageddon. Lifelong incels who take their rage out on anyone they can before meeting death.

I might add the ubiquitous availability of porn. It does nothing but feed a person's desire. While in the real world there are fewer young, attractive girls available, online they are plentiful and willing to fulfill every desire imaginable. Watch enough of it on a regular basis and frustration levels go through the roof. Add this to someone in an unstable mental condition... boom.

[262]

(06-24-2015 09:26 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Quote:

I have no choice, but to react this way. Everyday people hurt my feelings and its not fair. Truthfully, I feel so much better after hitting an asian Woman in the face with a steel rod. It was the greatest achievement of my life.

Are people really sympathizing with someone who hits women in the face with a metal rod because they are hurting him by not doing anything. It's like a feminist punching you in the balls for being a cis white male and saying I have no choice because you're part of the patriarchy.

Daysofbrokenarrows raised a good point. This guy was crazy and needed to be institutionalized or on pills.

I'd say the difference, unless he's completely lying (which he could be), instead of just exaggerating on approaching that many girls, is that he tried. Could he have handled it better? Absolutely.

However, in contrast, a mainstream person - never mind a feminist - typically lives on the cliche of "just be yourself," and thus, relative to the guy, doesn't even try.