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Banned Truth: Drug Addiction Isn't Caused By The Drug
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Banned Truth: Drug Addiction Isn't Caused By The Drug

^^^Kaligula

Thanks for the book reference. I'll definitely check it out since I have been thinking about randomness a lot recently. To be effective as a prescription for stagnation the lottery would have to be run repeatedly, and at random (i.e. unknown to the person) intervals over anu one individuals life.

Whatever other effects such a system would have, stagnation would not be one of them.
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Banned Truth: Drug Addiction Isn't Caused By The Drug

Well, there it is:
http://web.itu.edu.tr/~inceogl4/modernis...abylon.pdf


There are at least following corollaries:
1) We do love chance,
2) We do not want to be responsible for outcomes. Therefore, concentrate on activity, not respective outcome
3) Only chance is equal. Therefore the allure of death and love, eros and thanatos in our civilzation... Well, in fact, death is more equal than love. Why do we insist on love as a chance? Because we believe in equality?
4) Gaming a woman is staging an effective lottery for her (for example, push-pull).

I have never understood why Borges did not get a Noble prize. Anyway, I do not see such work coming from Germanic tradition, obsessed with control and security.
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Quote: (06-24-2015 12:15 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

TheLastPsychiatrist has a glorious, meandering article that is four parts: (1) the most amazing argument against introspection and therapy that I've ever read, (2) a deep explanation into what a repetition compulsion is, how it works, and how to get rid of it, (3) a side-splitting expose of certain elements of male/female interaction, and (4) an explanation of addictions, how they work, and how to cure them.

The article is life-changing, and I've quoted it many times, in many places, in many forums.

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/06/a..._look.html

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I love that site but he makes a real whopper of an error in the article you quote:

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The thing is, in any MFF, there are three people who could be telling you the story, yet the narrator is always a penis. He had a threesome, the supporting cast say they "were in a threesome once." Assuming you live in a town where X number of threesomes happen every year and there's no repeats, then there are twice as many women with a history of menages than men. Yet despite being the majority, it's the man's story to own and the woman's to disavow.

OK, not so much an error, as an extremely unrealistic assumption. The "no repeats" bit. In his imaginary town there WILL be many more individual men who have had threesomes than women because the few hyper-sexed women who would agree to them would be having them with many men. In an extreme and unlikely case two women could "service" the whole towns men so that every man has had a threesome while only two of its women have.

While obviously this kind of extreme disparity is not going to be the case in reality there WILL still be a very big discrepancy. And the reason for this is biological, rather than "psychiatric". A relatively rare hyper-sexed women has sex with many men with ease because...she can. That's why it's called "being easy". Because for a woman it is easy. It's easy because women have a tendency to hold back more compared to men. And they have this tendency because of essentially unchangeable biological factors. Basically because eggs are very large in size and very small in number, whereas sperm are tiny in size and gigantic in number. OK, that's not enough it and of itself, but it is the foundation of gender differences. Another factor is the degree of investment a parent makes to raise offspring.

Anyway, I respect The Last Psychiatrist's tendency to gloss over biology and evolutionary psychology, because it is used very often and it's useful to have a sort of "dissenting" voice. But when his purely psychological analyses really miss key biological points I think he's in trouble.
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Does the theory really explain drug addicted wealthy teens and adults who have everything advantage and every thing material?

Rat park also doesn't explain miner/hillbilly heroin. Tight knit rural families, in towns where everyone knows each other have never been immune to the ravages of drug use.

Rat park theory only seems to describe a certain kind of user. It also takes away the morality aspect from the user.

It also doesn't highlight the positives of responsible drug use.

WIA
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Quote: (06-24-2015 12:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Does the theory really explain drug addicted wealthy teens and adults who have everything advantage and every thing material?

Rat park also doesn't explain miner/hillbilly heroin. Tight knit rural families, in towns where everyone knows each other have never been immune to the ravages of drug use.

I think it explains both of those situations: the rich and poor both have no jobs and do not fit in a community in any meaningful way.

Miners, and other blue-collar workers who must go far away from women, are also going to feel the disconnect.

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Rat park theory only seems to describe a certain kind of user. It also takes away the morality aspect from the user.

Well, rats do not have morality. [Image: lol.gif] Yes obviously humans are much more complex than rats and this theory is not complete, but the fact it gets banned is rather telling isn't it?

I think the knowledge of how rats behave with drugs is helpful for humans who suffer from addiction problems, since it indicates they get cravings from their addictions not from mere pleasure, but from a lack of meaningful social activity in their lives.

A human with morality and free will, in light of this knowledge, make an effort to connect with friends, family, community, and neighbors and in theory his cravings will go away.

I've already had one guy PM me on this forum thanking me for this knowledge who immediately applied it to his life by making phone calls to family members he hasn't spoken to in a long time and reporting a huge increase in happiness and a decrease in cravings.

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It also doesn't highlight the positives of responsible drug use.

WIA

No it does not, but Alexander's research on Cocaine cover this topic in depth.

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Quote: (06-24-2015 10:05 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

^^^Kaligula

Thanks for the book reference. I'll definitely check it out since I have been thinking about randomness a lot recently. To be effective as a prescription for stagnation the lottery would have to be run repeatedly, and at random (i.e. unknown to the person) intervals over anu one individuals life.

Whatever other effects such a system would have, stagnation would not be one of them.

Also check out Nassim Taleb's "Anti-fragile" too. A common theme in the book is about how we need constant stressors in order to improve. He applies this theme over many fields ranging from weight lifting (after all you're basically tearing your muscle fibers while working out) to the benefits of fasting to why business cycles where new firms regular spring up and old ones are shut down rather then be deemed "too big to fail" are a must and why any attempts to control "boom and bust" will lead to failure.
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Quote: (06-24-2015 02:43 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Quote: (06-24-2015 10:05 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

^^^Kaligula

Thanks for the book reference. I'll definitely check it out since I have been thinking about randomness a lot recently. To be effective as a prescription for stagnation the lottery would have to be run repeatedly, and at random (i.e. unknown to the person) intervals over anu one individuals life.

Whatever other effects such a system would have, stagnation would not be one of them.

Also check out Nassim Taleb's "Anti-fragile" too. A common theme in the book is about how we need constant stressors in order to improve. He applies this theme over many fields ranging from weight lifting (after all you're basically tearing your muscle fibers while working out) to the benefits of fasting to why business cycles where new firms regular spring up and old ones are shut down rather then be deemed "too big to fail" are a must and why any attempts to control "boom and bust" will lead to failure.

Thanks Wutang. Have read Taleb's 3 commercial books, including Antifragile. He is a very smart guy.

I think the difficulty in converting the ideas into any sort of practical plan is that the very fact that you're planning is the problem in the first place. If you are planning you are selecting. And if you are selecting you select from a very small array of options. Trying to force yourself to "branch out" more is difficult. And not only difficult for some people, but difficult for pretty much all people. It's like "Planning to be spontaneous". If you're planning it's not spontaneous (or random). Which is why I say that most randomness in peoples lives comes as a result of misfortune.
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Quote: (06-24-2015 10:51 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

Well, there it is:
http://web.itu.edu.tr/~inceogl4/modernis...abylon.pdf


There are at least following corollaries:
1) We do love chance,
2) We do not want to be responsible for outcomes. Therefore, concentrate on activity, not respective outcome
3) Only chance is equal. Therefore the allure of death and love, eros and thanatos in our civilzation... Well, in fact, death is more equal than love. Why do we insist on love as a chance? Because we believe in equality?
4) Gaming a woman is staging an effective lottery for her (for example, push-pull).

I have never understood why Borges did not get a Noble prize. Anyway, I do not see such work coming from Germanic tradition, obsessed with control and security.

Borges should be on everyone's reading list. Not for reasons of this thread, or even this forum, but he's one of the great writers of the 20th century.

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I believe this might be the single most important thread made on this forum which says much.The life changing possibilities of knowing this information are limitless and on par with knowing the nature of women.

I have been lately coming to the same conclusions as OP but this post lays it out really well.

This principle applies not only to drugs but to any addiction be it alcoholism, smoking, fapping, gambling, computer gaming or whatever.

The main reason people are addicted to various things is because they feel oppressed, enslaved, alienated and powerless. However they willingly continue to be slaves due to fear and because they have invested their whole lives in their slavery through education and career making and their ego will not allow to abandon that.

People hope they can get rid of addictions while remaining in their enslaved comfort zones of discomfort they are used to. This information shows that one must make a thorough change, but it's possible to control your life and behavior. Vary valuable knowledge.

I also see that not all commenters understand this information fully yet.

This is not only about communication.

This is about the ability to exercise one's will.

The most important thing for human beings is to feel that they can influence things trough acts of their own will.

To really feel that you have committed an act of will there needs to be some resistance, some hardship however if it is too strong it can break your will.

Other people are there for you to influence your will to them. If you succeed you win if you fail you lose. Therefore if you are an omega you will only get disappointed and humiliated from communication. This is the game of life - seek out humans on whom to influence your will, they must resist enough for you to feel accomplishment if you succeed.

Both poor and rich are subject to addictions. The poor don't have options to change anything according to their will, but get drunk/high.
The rich children also may not have learn how to express their will because everything in their life happens by itself, they feel no accomplishment everything gets accomplished trough their parents money and they are just flowing down the stream. This also explains why women who are well provided for and sheltered from responsibility inevitably sabotage the happiness of their family. This is the only way to express their will in these conditions.

If you only take from this information that it's good to communicate then you have digested this information in a blue pill way. You may try to be nice and open to anyone only to end up as a sad tool.

The red pill way to understand this information is that it's all about the game of wills, to fight and win in the battle of wills is the purpose of life. Note that your will does not have to be evil you can also be benevolent, but what matters is that you see your will get done through hardships and obstacles, that for the major part are other human beings with a will of their own.
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Quote: (06-26-2015 03:04 AM)Mage Wrote:  

I believe this might be the single most important thread made on this forum which says much.The life changing possibilities of knowing this information are limitless and on par with knowing the nature of women.

I have been lately coming to the same conclusions as OP but this post lays it out really well.

This principle applies not only to drugs but to any addiction be it alcoholism, smoking, fapping, gambling, computer gaming or whatever.

The main reason people are addicted to various things is because they feel oppressed, enslaved, alienated and powerless. However they willingly continue to be slaves due to fear and because they have invested their whole lives in their slavery through education and career making and their ego will not allow to abandon that.

People hope they can get rid of addictions while remaining in their enslaved comfort zones of discomfort they are used to. This information shows that one must make a thorough change, but it's possible to control your life and behavior. Vary valuable knowledge.

I also see that not all commenters understand this information fully yet.

This is not only about communication.

This is about the ability to exercise one's will.

The most important thing for human beings is to feel that they can influence things trough acts of their own will.

To really feel that you have committed an act of will there needs to be some resistance, some hardship however if it is too strong it can break your will.

Other people are there for you to influence your will to them. If you succeed you win if you fail you lose. Therefore if you are an omega you will only get disappointed and humiliated from communication. This is the game of life - seek out humans on whom to influence your will, they must resist enough for you to feel accomplishment if you succeed.

Both poor and rich are subject to addictions. The poor don't have options to change anything according to their will, but get drunk/high.
The rich children also may not have learn how to express their will because everything in their life happens by itself, they feel no accomplishment everything gets accomplished trough their parents money and they are just flowing down the stream. This also explains why women who are well provided for and sheltered from responsibility inevitably sabotage the happiness of their family. This is the only way to express their will in these conditions.

If you only take from this information that it's good to communicate then you have digested this information in a blue pill way. You may try to be nice and open to anyone only to end up as a sad tool.

The red pill way to understand this information is that it's all about the game of wills, to fight and win in the battle of wills is the purpose of life. Note that your will does not have to be evil you can also be benevolent, but what matters is that you see your will get done through hardships and obstacles, that for the major part are other human beings with a will of their own.

Hahaha. Yes and no. Just one remark: remember Stavrogin of "The Devils" by Dostoyevski... Stavrogin, an alpha and dark triad man, is a man with very strong will, so strong that he can bend not only women but men, too. But he chooses to die exactly because of his strong will. If I can be everything, and I am absolutely sure of this my ability, why should I be anything, anything at all?! That is his problem.

I think that the message of the article is much more simpler: there is some natural form of life for rats, which brings them close to happiness. Therefore, most probably such a solution does exist for humans, too. An answer is somewhere in history: we must just find a civilization with the low level of drugs use and absue... What we are essentially looking for is a form of life (Lebensform) in the Wittgensteinian sense, if you like philosophy. One caveat: a form of life, as something which bestows and creates meanings, is essentially communal. So, this is not art, for example. But the Babylonian Lottery (see my previous posts) could be, I think.
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Quote: (06-26-2015 04:50 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

Hahaha. Yes and no. Just one remark: remember Stavrogin of "The Devils" by Dostoyevski... Stavrogin, an alpha and dark triad man, is a man with very strong will, so strong that he can bend not only women but men, too. But he chooses to die exactly because of his strong will. If I can be everything, and I am absolutely sure of this my ability, why should I be anything, anything at all?! That is his problem.

I think that the message of the article is much more simpler: there is some natural form of life for rats, which brings them close to happiness. Therefore, most probably such a solution does exist for humans, too. An answer is somewhere in history: we must just find a civilization with the low level of drugs use and absue... What we are essentially looking for is a form of life (Lebensform) in the Wittgensteinian sense, if you like philosophy. One caveat: a form of life, as something which bestows and creates meanings, is essentially communal. So, this is not art, for example. But the Babylonian Lottery (see my previous posts) could be, I think.

I believe Stavrogins problem is fictional. In real life there is no man powerful enough to have no rivals and no competition on imposing one's will. Also there is one challenge that will always be present and never let anyone to let his will dominate forever - old age. If we were immortal then Starogins question - why to be everything rather then nothing could be valid, but since we are mortal it has never come to this aside from fiction since fictional characters can never age.

Also a human cannot remain static in his desires. A human always wants more. Therefore one can never be content in this manner, one cannot be satisfied with any fixed utopia or lebensform. Therefore everything is fluid, empires and paradigms rise and fall.

One can only be satisfied in a higher level here one is happy about the challenge being before him. One must learn to find peace in activity and satisfaction in craving. Because all gain is transient and it is never enough anyway. A.k.a. one must imagine Sisyphus happy.
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Quote: (06-26-2015 07:49 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Quote: (06-26-2015 04:50 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

Hahaha. Yes and no. Just one remark: remember Stavrogin of "The Devils" by Dostoyevski... Stavrogin, an alpha and dark triad man, is a man with very strong will, so strong that he can bend not only women but men, too. But he chooses to die exactly because of his strong will. If I can be everything, and I am absolutely sure of this my ability, why should I be anything, anything at all?! That is his problem.

I think that the message of the article is much more simpler: there is some natural form of life for rats, which brings them close to happiness. Therefore, most probably such a solution does exist for humans, too. An answer is somewhere in history: we must just find a civilization with the low level of drugs use and absue... What we are essentially looking for is a form of life (Lebensform) in the Wittgensteinian sense, if you like philosophy. One caveat: a form of life, as something which bestows and creates meanings, is essentially communal. So, this is not art, for example. But the Babylonian Lottery (see my previous posts) could be, I think.

I believe Stavrogins problem is fictional. In real life there is no man powerful enough to have no rivals and no competition on imposing one's will. Also there is one challenge that will always be present and never let anyone to let his will dominate forever - old age. If we were immortal then Starogins question - why to be everything rather then nothing could be valid, but since we are mortal it has never come to this aside from fiction since fictional characters can never age.

Also a human cannot remain static in his desires. A human always wants more. Therefore one can never be content in this manner, one cannot be satisfied with any fixed utopia or lebensform. Therefore everything is fluid, empires and paradigms rise and fall.

One can only be satisfied in a higher level here one is happy about the challenge being before him. One must learn to find peace in activity and satisfaction in craving. Because all gain is transient and it is never enough anyway. A.k.a. one must imagine Sisyphus happy.

Albert Camus' happy Sisyphus seems to me to be more unreal than Dostoyevski's leading characters. As I see it, Dostoyevski was building his stories by putting inside a story some kind of ideal type: Stavrogin is then a strong-willed asshole (let us remember that he kind of raped a mentally and physically disabled underaged girl), Myshkin (The idiot) is a naive good man of God (jurodiwyj) , and the perfect just aka the perfectly rational terrorist is Raskolnikov (Crime and Punishment). The modern western world is writing its own story of such kind, as a modern woman is a variation on the theme "perfectly free woman". As such, Dostoyevski's characters are, paraphrasing Nietszche, human, all less human but not, human, all too human, as Camus and Nietzsche himself would like. Camus would like us to see some kind of transgression, and see happy Sisyphus. Dostoyevski denies transgressions, all his characters are ultimately failures. Well, Camus is a romantic, whereas Dostoyevski is deep into the realistic gory Russian idealism...

Moreover, investigating the nature of desire we see that desire is intimately connected with hope. I hope, therefore I desire. But not necessarily the reverse way: I desire, therefore I hope. I think Stavrogin simply did not hope anymore, so he could not really want anything. Maybe he looked for transgression (well, in a sense, above mentioned rape was to be such a transgression), but there was not, everything was still the same. He could everything, but he could not change the world inside the world (That is the attempt of Kirylov, very interesting character on its own). I think that Roosh represents a bit the same dynamic: he ventured into the women with hope and desire, now he has no hope anymore, thus his desire is slowly dying too... I myself will give you a very banal example: as a child I had eaten once too much chocolate with nuts. Since that time I still like chocolate - every kind except the one with nuts.
Would I like to live if my only (or even one of few) available food would be a chocolate with nuts?! I am not sure.... I imagine that for Stavrogin everything may be like for me a chocolate with nuts.

But one thing I shall concede - the challenge of old age, the one you cannot win. However, not everything is desirable just because it is a challenge...

So be it. As a professionally trained philosopher, I still say that some of the best reflection on life is in good and old literature.
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Quote: (06-23-2015 02:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

2. Severe Power and Wealth Addiction.

This is a nearly inevitable consequence of competition. With 7 billion people on the planet there is always going to be someone who will try to gain competitive advantage through accumulation of wealth and power.
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Excellent post Samseau.


I did not know about the Rat Park studies, but they make sense. I read a couple of times about the experiences of some highly intelligent ex heroin and LSD junkies that they described dropping even that drug just as a habit where you have medium withdrawal symptoms for 1 to 2 weeks. Actually it's more of one week.

The problem lies in our social perception of drugs and substance addiction:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html (about the negative effectiveness of current addiction programs like AA)

It is similar to the stupid AA mantra where you claim that you are utterly defenseless against the addiction and that any drop can mean a falling off the wagon. That way you reinforce in humans the utter helplessness.

The reality is that we can simply change the cycle by saying, that you can resist it. The best therapy would probably be:

1. Get plenty of rest, good food and sunshine
2. Be surrounded by people you love and that you love yourself
3. Address your personal issues aside from the drugs - best in a loving environment
4. Reinforce in yourself the belief that you can master a drug and that the withdrawal symptoms are nothing. Even if you use again, then know that you can rise above it easily.
5. High dosage vitamins - especially B-group injections have been highly effective against curbing the desire for substances for 2 weeks after just one injection (they also almost eliminated the initial 1-2 week withdrawal symptoms). Actually the founder of AA wanted to put that point into the program in the 1970s after he found out about it, but the sheisters of course refused it.

That is why Allen Carr's idea of breaking the alcohol addiction is simply to become a casual normal drinker again and not claim that you are an alcoholic for life and will be powerless against the addiction until you die:

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In addition I am certain that the elite wants a large part of the population to be drug addicted. But they also want to earn their 500 bio. $ in the heroin and cocaine trade (guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan and using the CIA - cocaine import agency). At Wallstreet it is well known that the government has a huge cut in the drug trade - banks like Wells Fargo get busted occasionally as they launder the drug money. And I am sure that they are not the only one out there.

We also should keep in mind that up until the 1930s pretty much every drug was legally available in apothecaries in the US and other countries. There were hardly any millions of addicts out there. Cocaine, heroine, opium, weed - everything was freely available. Yes - there were some opium dens, but again as in the Rat Park studies - those individuals were broken and mostly isolated. Today they would be drunks or meth addicts which is much worse.

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Personally I would instantly completely open the market for weed, coca leaves & cocaine. I would legalize the rest like opium, heroine, LSD etc. but would regulate it severely so that you could get it for production cost at the apothecary. That way it would become literally a market that any medium chemical company could produce - you couldn't make any money off it and the current war on drugs mayhem would stop. But that is unrealistic, because in such a world we would already have a highly different economic and scientific system and the current elite would lose control sooner or later.

Still - it is good to know for any forum member who slips into substance abuse that he can go through it in a much more easier and more effective way.
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Quote: (06-24-2015 12:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (06-24-2015 12:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Does the theory really explain drug addicted wealthy teens and adults who have everything advantage and every thing material?

Rat park also doesn't explain miner/hillbilly heroin. Tight knit rural families, in towns where everyone knows each other have never been immune to the ravages of drug use.

I think it explains both of those situations: the rich and poor both have no jobs and do not fit in a community in any meaningful way.

Miners, and other blue-collar workers who must go far away from women, are also going to feel the disconnect.

Great thread and followups. The ideas throughout are supported and elaborated on by a piece of writing which irreparably tweaked my impressionable young mind when I first read it, I'd like to think for the better. We don't need to endorse the methods he used (and I certainly do not) to acknowledge that his theories are not without merit. A twisted guy, but certifiable genius according to his professors and others in a position to say. From "Industrial Society and its Future" by Theodore Kaczynski (Unabomber)

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33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42-44).

34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one's power.

35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.

37. Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.

51.The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern society an individual's loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system.

52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints his cousin, his friend or his co-religionist to a position rather than appointing the person best qualified for the job. He has permitted personal loyalty to supersede his loyalty to the system, and that is “nepotism” or “discrimination,” both of which are terrible sins in modern society. Would-be industrial societies that have done a poor job of subordinating personal or local loyalties to loyalty to the system are usually very inefficient. (Look at Latin America.) Thus an advanced industrial society can tolerate only those small-scale communities that are emasculated, tamed and made into tools of the system. [7]

61. In primitive societies, physical necessities generally fall into group 2: They can be obtained, but only at the cost of serious effort. But modern society tends to guaranty the physical necessities to everyone [9] in exchange for only minimal effort, hence physical needs are pushed into group 1. (There may be disagreement about whether the effort needed to hold a job is “minimal”; but usually, in lower- to middle-level jobs, whatever effort is required is merely that of obedience. You sit or stand where you are told to sit or stand and do what you are told to do in the way you are told to do it. Seldom do you have to exert yourself seriously, and in any case you have hardly any autonomy in work, so that the need for the power process is not well served.)

63. So certain artificial needs have been created that fall into group 2, hence serve the need for the power process. Advertising and marketing techniques have been developed that make many people feel they need things that their grandparents never desired or even dreamed of. It requires serious effort to earn enough money to satisfy these artificial needs, hence they fall into group 2. (But see paragraphs 80-82 .) Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry [11], and through surrogate activities.

75. In primitive societies life is a succession of stages. The needs and purposes of one stage having been fulfilled, there is no particular reluctance about passing on to the next stage. A young man goes through the power process by becoming a hunter, hunting not for sport or for fulfillment but to get meat that is necessary for food. (In young women the process is more complex, with greater emphasis on social power; we won't discuss that here.) This phase having been successfully passed through, the young man has no reluctance about settling down to the responsibilities of raising a family. (In contrast, some modern people indefinitely postpone having children because they are too busy seeking some kind of “fulfillment.” We suggest that the fulfillment they need is adequate experience of the power process — with real goals instead of the artificial goals of surrogate activities.) Again, having successfully raised his children, going through the power process by providing them with the physical necessities, the primitive man feels that his work is done and he is prepared to accept old age (if he survives that long) and death. Many modern people, on the other hand, are disturbed by the prospect of death, as is shown by the amount of effort they expend trying to maintain their physical condition, appearance and health. We argue that this is due to unfulfillment resulting from the fact that they have never put their physical powers to any use, have never gone through the power process using their bodies in a serious way. It is not the primitive man, who has used his body daily for practical purposes, who fears the deterioration of age, but the modern man, who has never had a practical use for his body beyond walking from his car to his house. It is the man whose need for the power process has been satisfied during his life who is best prepared to accept the end of that life.

Relatedly, on the rise of leftist movements (SJWs)

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83. Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward these goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only an insignificant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identification with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by the fascists, nazis and communists. Our society uses it, too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). The U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power. [15] We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.

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