[cibo]

(06-11-2015 08:49 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Someone needs to compile and rank universities based on their hostility to justice and the rights of the accused. I'm not talking about a forum thread, but a slick published product, that will garner attention just like established rankings like US News do. Make colleges compete to be the most just. It should be a big respected mainstream publication. The Economist, Princeton Review, The Chronicle, etc.

It could just be a reshuffle of another ranking, eg "The most and least just top colleges, ranked."

In theory that's a great idea, but I run into the issue of implementing these ideas all the time. There's a couple important components that need to be sorted before we can create this kind of rankings.

•What attributes determine "hostility to justice and the rights of the accused"?
•How to do we measure it?
•How do we get the data?


The simplest method, is raw count of due process allegations and final ruling. And I did some searching and apparently the MRA's have already done a lot of the leg work here. I'm not sure it includes all cases and there's some subjective bias about which cases are considered due process violations but it seems reasonably up to date. From there it is a pretty straight forward tabulation.
http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/lis...l-assault/
   


The other potential metric is the Federal Title 9 violation investigations. I can't seem to find the number of investigations, it might be possible to get report from the government here http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us...tigations. But if you want to dick around a bit, the Huffingtonshit, has the list of ongoing and completed title ix investigations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06...ef=college

Another method is to put up a twitter hashtag tracker for false rape and count college mentions. I already have a twitter tracker up for other stuff so that wouldn't be hard to modify. But there is a lot of data cleaning work needed to get all the permutations of college names. Though i found a few good lists for informal college names. The other problem is that there are limits on the amount of tweets you can receive under the free streaming api, 1k per a minute. If we get a really big tweet spike, tweets might go missing. The full pipe or even 10% tweet pipe gets pretty expensive pretty fast ($2k something).

The most difficult method would be to track all the court cases. There are fees to get those cases. Recap manages to host a good amount of them for free but the search function is shit. https://www.recapthelaw.org/ Or if someone had access to one of those law search sites, that could potentially be viable too but those are not cheap either.

Finally, unless we want to go with only one metric, after compiling all the data, we would need to create weights for the rankings. Not that hard, just basically think about what would the percentage breakdown would be.

[CH-Toronto]

(06-12-2015 07:25 AM)magicone Wrote:  

This huge waste of state resources and huge waste of time can be stopped if all false rape accusers will be sentenced for false accusing

I think this is the big issue. As it stands, there is no incentive NOT to make a false accusation. You get seen as a victim whether you're right or wrong, and if you're wrong- you will face no consequences and still be hailed a survivor.

I think this year is the last straw though. 2016 I predict will be the year courts/justice say, "Enough!"

[infowarrior1]

(06-11-2015 07:15 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/man-re...le/2565978

It's not as bad as it's sounds - it's actually much worse

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An Amherst College student blacked out, accompanied a fellow student back to her dorm room after drinking in February 2012. While he was blacked out, she performed oral sex on him.

Nearly two years later, she would accuse him of sexual assault. And under Amherst's guilty-until-proven-innocent (and even then, as we'll see, still guilty) hearing standards, the accused student was expelled.

Oh dear.

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The accused student — using the pseudonym John Doe — is suing the university for denying him due process. His lawyer had discovered text messages that prove the accused student did not initiate the encounter and in no way sexually assaulted the accuser. Despite this evidence, the university refused to reopen Doe's case.

At least he's fighting back.

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K.C. Johnson, co-author of the book about the Duke lacrosse rape hoax, obtained Doe's lawsuit as well as transcripts from the hearing that found him guilty. Johnson first describes Amherst's Kafkaesque sexual assault rules, which stated goal is to "empower victims" during hearings rather than determine the truth.

This makes all to much sense - and it's terrible.

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Johnson notes that the school has adopted the "yes means yes" definition of consent — meaning someone has to ask before performing any sexual act on another person and receive an affirmative response. But the standard provides no way for accused students to prove they obtained such consent. (For that matter, given that the sexual act was performed on the accused student, was there any evidence he provided affirmative consent?)

The school also requires drunk students engaging in sexual activity to "be aware of the other person's level of intoxication" and warns students that "an individual may experience a blackout state in which he/she/they appear to be giving consent, but do not actually have conscious awareness or the ability to consent." Johnson asks how an accused student is supposed to have been aware of another's intoxication or known they were in a "black out state," as Amherst doesn't provide an explanation.

The entire adjudication process at Amherst, revised after another student claimed the school mistreated her sexual assault accusation, was designed to find guilt, Johnson wrote. An accused student may hire an attorney, but that attorney cannot say anything during the hearing. An accused student may receive a campus "adviser" who "is not an advocate for the student." Meanwhile, the accuser's adviser is absolutely their advocate.

For Doe, his "adviser" was an administrator who lacked tenure and was trained in "social justice education." Doe was not allowed to directly cross-examine his accuser and could only write down questions for the panel to ask her, leaving no room for follow-ups. The hearing panel, meanwhile, was made up of "student life officials" and another administrators trained in "social justice education" — none of whom had tenure.

The investigator of the sexual assault claim lacked the subpoena power to actually investigate. Had the investigator been able to properly investigate, they would have uncovered the text messages that proved there was no assault.

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This is one of the few cases where we have an actually good idea of what happened the night in question. Doe accompanied the accuser (who was Doe's girlfriend's roommate) to her dorm room. The accuser performed oral sex on a blacked out Doe (Johnson notes that even the Amherst hearing found Doe's account of being blacked out "credible"). Doe leaves. The accuser then texted two people: First, a male student she had a crush on — whom she invited over after a heavily flirtatious exchange earlier in the evening. Then, a female friend.

The accuser said during her hearing that she only texted one friend to help her handle the assault as she felt "very alone and confused." But her texts with her female friend give no indication of an assault. Rather, the accuser texted her friend "Ohmygod I jus did something so fuckig stupid" [sic throughout]. She then proceeded to fret that she had done something wrong and her roommate would never talk to her again, because "it's pretty obvi I wasn't an innocent bystander."

She also complained that the other man, who had come over after the alleged assault, had taken until 5 in the morning to finally have sex with her.

The accuser found herself friendless after the encounter, when her roommate discovered what she had done.

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Between the encounter with Doe and the accusation — nearly two years later — the accuser developed new friends. And as it happens, these new friends were all "victims' advocates."

When Doe discovered the text messages, he presented the findings to Amherst. The school refused to reopen his case. K.C. Johnson sums up the case perfectly:

"Once again: this is a case in which an accuser (to put it charitably) misrepresented written evidence vital to her credibility, and this same material, her words, showed — if anything — that she initiated sexual contact against a student who even Amherst's panel described as 'blacked out.,'" Johnson wrote. "And yet, according to Amherst, [the accuser] is a sexual assault 'survivor.'"

The case also shows how a male student can be accused of sexual assault even if the evidence suggests he might have been the one assaulted.

Is this it? Is there any hope? Are guys in colleges/universities completely fucked? Have we reached peak campus rape yet?

If there be any justice in the world. Then this woman should receive the same penalty for the crime she accuse that person of.

For ruining his life or possibly ending his life at the hands of a vigilante.

[germany]

The title is wrong. The man did not receive anything.

This woman simply took advantage of a passed out drunk man.

[rpg]

How did she not get a mouth full of piss? Passed out drunk equals puking or pissing ones self.

[germany]

what is the name of the girl who did the false accusations?

[Phoenix]

(06-13-2015 05:56 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

If there be any justice in the world. Then this woman should receive the same penalty for the crime she accuse that person of.

For ruining his life or possibly ending his life at the hands of a vigilante.

That's excessive. It should follow the law of 'attempt'. If she successfully had him convicted, and he later proves that she lied and that those lies lead to his conviction, she should be given a sentence comparable to that of rape.

If she merely succeeded in having him charged, and he proved her lies and that those lead to the charge, she should be given a sentence comparable to attempted rape.

If she merely accused him but failed to present enough evidence to have him charged, and he later proved her lies and that those were an attempt to have him falsely convicted of rape, she should receive a lesser sentence.

Pursuant to this, private prosecution should be brought back nationwide (I hear in the US they got rid of it).

[germany]

In the movie "A Long Way Down" Pierce Brosnan (ex James Bond) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458413/

is a man who was subject of a false rape accusation and he lost everything after it,
so he decides to kill himself

[Troll King]

I would like to think that boys and men would start waking up and refuse to go to college, especially colleges like this, but I doubt it will happen.

How many people look into stuff like this before going to a school. My guess is basically no one. If someone does, it is probably at the end of the list of what they are ranking their college choices on. Hell, I bet for most guys Football is more important.

[Phoenix]

(06-22-2015 11:50 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

I would like to think that boys and men would start waking up and refuse to go to college

I think the culture of College needs to be attacked generally and broadly. Both for the good of Men and Women.

When I think "college in America", I think of a place where women go to be ultra-sluts, to be brainwashed by various Leftist ideologies, waste time learning about useless crap, and start a 'career', and pile up debt, during their prime fertility years. It is the opposite of what a woman should be doing. I'd place 'women in colleges' as one of the biggest engines of the social malaise.

For men, college makes more sense, but only after having received independent market advice from a non-affiliated advisory firm, and having done their due diligence. The fact that college in America is associate more with the 'frat party' than 'actually learning useful stuff' is telling. That's an expensive party and a waste of your youthful energy.

[OBERYN_]

(06-13-2015 05:56 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

If there be any justice in the world. Then this woman should receive the same penalty for the crime she accuse that person of.

For ruining his life or possibly ending his life at the hands of a vigilante.

Don't hold your breath.

[germany]