[MrLemon]

(09-03-2018 03:25 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

... because they lie, evade, overpromise, have no respect for deadlines, disappear for days on end, and other behavior

Perfect list of problems. Working with Indians is eternally frustrating, waste of time.

On the other hand if you hire Ukranian programmers, you will get people who often will force YOU to up YOUR game.

Every Ukrainian programmer I've seen has been extraordinary. Maybe I've just been lucky, or it's something in the culture. The only problem is they're getting expensive.

[RedPillUK]

(09-02-2018 08:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

A couple of comments about Indians - I'm a British Indian and I know how they think.

• They're racist - they look down on non-Indians but they would never say it in public. Expect them to do sneaky shit behind your back.
• However Indians hate other Indians more than other Indians. They're massive backstabbers - it's not uncommon in India for a man to kill his own brother over a piece of land.
• Indians born and raised in western countries are generally more honest than guys from India, but this may not necessarily be the case
• They're two faced fucks - here's a personal example - my ex-VP was a Indian-American, and my director was a Sri Lankan guy. I start a new job, I work there for 8 months, and I've been told I've been doing a great job. I have a new manager come in, and this guy doesn't like me. I get called into a meeting and the same director who told me I was doing a great job before told me that I'm not good enough at my current level. Nothing changed in the work I was doing - he just threw m under the bus and took the side of the manager. I get put on a performance improvement plan, and then the same VP who said I was doing a great job fired me because in his words I didn't meet the standards of my role.
  
  A year later, I find out my manager got fired - basically everyone at my level hated the guy and they stopped talking to him. The VP had to fire him because nobody wanted to deal with him.
• Indians do not how to say "I don't know". If you ask them if they can do something, they will never admit they can't do it. They will always bullshit you and say they can do it. Then they produce shitty work and aren't embarrassed about producing bad work. In fact they are shameless and ask for more work!
• I am not ashamed to admit that the average white American, Canadian or British guy is more honest than the average Indian. Not all whites are honest - I don't trust eastern Europeans.
• Indians are all about bringing over as much people as they can to the US - I know a US Citizen married Indian guy. He legally divorced his wife, married a woman in India to bring her over. His wife was in on the plan. Then as soon as she got citizenship, she divorced him and the man remarried his original wife. The woman from India goes back to India, and marries a guy from there. After that they sponsor their siblings and their parents to come to the US. So from one fake marriage you get over 10 people coming in.
• Don't assume all white Americans are great - I currently manage a Russian and two white Americans. Who's hard working and who are lazy fucks? I'm sure you can figure it out...
• The good thing about Indians that a genuine guy is one of the best friends you can have. They will give you the shirt of their back to help family and friends - however, people like this are very rare.
• These guys work in IT because the pay is great, my company is paying a Pakistani guy USD $140/hr . Another guy is getting USD $10K a week! Similar reason why some many Indians go to med school - it's not because they want help heal people - they do it for the money.
  

On a personal level, I won't do business with Indians - they fuck over other Indians more than anybody else!

So basically, don't work with Indians.

[godzilla]

(09-02-2018 10:06 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

I was talking to a sucker in his late 20's who told me he was pursuing a degree in computer science. We then got into a heated discussion about it. I tried to tell him he was making a big mistake. He didn't want to hear it.

Pay no attention to all the bullshit about information technology being a good career choice. It is the most overrated career field you can find. A few people win the lottery. Most are just making it. Lots leave the profession all the time.

He's not a sucker for choosing computer science as his desired career path. No such thing as a sucker who enjoys what they do

He's only a sucker because he's spending money on a degree thats only going to lead to a slightly higher salary then your average bootcamper who spent $50-100 thousand less.

[Parras]

I do know that Chinese and Indians in America hate each other.

I knew this Chinese guy who will always rail about the Indians. I remember he even said "The Indians are taking 'OUR' jobs". Meaning the American jobs.

Never understood why. Can anyone chime in on that? I would really like to know.

[Thersites]

(09-02-2018 08:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

A couple of comments about Indians - I'm a British Indian and I know how they think.

• They're racist - they look down on non-Indians but they would never say it in public. Expect them to do sneaky shit behind your back.
• However Indians hate other Indians more than other Indians. They're massive backstabbers - it's not uncommon in India for a man to kill his own brother over a piece of land.
• Indians born and raised in western countries are generally more honest than guys from India, but this may not necessarily be the case
• They're two faced fucks - here's a personal example - my ex-VP was a Indian-American, and my director was a Sri Lankan guy. I start a new job, I work there for 8 months, and I've been told I've been doing a great job. I have a new manager come in, and this guy doesn't like me. I get called into a meeting and the same director who told me I was doing a great job before told me that I'm not good enough at my current level. Nothing changed in the work I was doing - he just threw m under the bus and took the side of the manager. I get put on a performance improvement plan, and then the same VP who said I was doing a great job fired me because in his words I didn't meet the standards of my role.
  
  A year later, I find out my manager got fired - basically everyone at my level hated the guy and they stopped talking to him. The VP had to fire him because nobody wanted to deal with him.
• Indians do not how to say "I don't know". If you ask them if they can do something, they will never admit they can't do it. They will always bullshit you and say they can do it. Then they produce shitty work and aren't embarrassed about producing bad work. In fact they are shameless and ask for more work!
• I am not ashamed to admit that the average white American, Canadian or British guy is more honest than the average Indian. Not all whites are honest - I don't trust eastern Europeans.
• Indians are all about bringing over as much people as they can to the US - I know a US Citizen married Indian guy. He legally divorced his wife, married a woman in India to bring her over. His wife was in on the plan. Then as soon as she got citizenship, she divorced him and the man remarried his original wife. The woman from India goes back to India, and marries a guy from there. After that they sponsor their siblings and their parents to come to the US. So from one fake marriage you get over 10 people coming in.
• Don't assume all white Americans are great - I currently manage a Russian and two white Americans. Who's hard working and who are lazy fucks? I'm sure you can figure it out...
• The good thing about Indians that a genuine guy is one of the best friends you can have. They will give you the shirt of their back to help family and friends - however, people like this are very rare.
• These guys work in IT because the pay is great, my company is paying a Pakistani guy USD $140/hr . Another guy is getting USD $10K a week! Similar reason why some many Indians go to med school - it's not because they want help heal people - they do it for the money.
  

On a personal level, I won't do business with Indians - they fuck over other Indians more than anybody else!

So this confirms I'm white man stuck in Indian man. Its suck to be desi. Fuck my life.

[Bluey]

(09-03-2018 07:01 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

Weird thread direction I must say, but as perhaps the forum's only Australian farmer I feel I should chime in.

I hate the the welfare seeking mentality, and worse I hate the drive to "Help the Farmers"

It's almost as if there's someone promoting the idea that farmers all need help from the government to help prop up what they're doing that's unsustainable. Like some kind of agenda.

I run a business.

It's the same business that my Great Grandfather started 101 years ago when he got back from the trenches of Gallipoli.
Does that give me some special right? Fuck No.

No other business is given handouts as freely as Farmers are in this current vote buying exercise, and nor should they be.

It's a tough season. I'm hoping for some decent rain over the next few months. So be it. That's the game.

Thank you. I've had a fair bit of exposure to farming in Aus, there's a hell of a difference between crops, and then between that and livestock. Orchards and similar seem to be the bulk of backpacker work, where a cattle farm doesn't generally need anywhere near as much labor.
Then there's the differences outside of labor.

Hell, there's a huge amount of experience and knowledge required to be productive in any farm and it's still at the mercy of outside conditions sometimes. Drought and the cattle start dying? That's your income, you can't support them, and you can't get enough for them to pay the debt
What do you do?

It gets me just how ignorant most people are about the whole thing, but I do agree about that handout mentality.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Like all welfare it starts out making sure nobody hits rock bottom but before you know it some guys are making a better living milking taxpayers than cows.

Then you wake up one day and see that the guy down the road is earning a decent living doing nothing but selling his water allocation and you wonder what the fuck went wrong.

[Built to Fade]

(09-03-2018 09:28 PM)Parras Wrote:  

I do know that Chinese and Indians in America hate each other.

I knew this Chinese guy who will always rail about the Indians. I remember he even said "The Indians are taking 'OUR' jobs". Meaning the American jobs.

Never understood why. Can anyone chime in on that? I would really like to know.

Russell Peters can answer that for you.

"You seem like nice guy. I give you best price: $34.50."

[WalterBlack]

(09-03-2018 09:28 PM)Parras Wrote:  

I do know that Chinese and Indians in America hate each other.

I knew this Chinese guy who will always rail about the Indians. I remember he even said "The Indians are taking 'OUR' jobs". Meaning the American jobs.

Never understood why. Can anyone chime in on that? I would really like to know.

They don't hate each other. Chinese look down on Indians and Indians are indifferent to Chinese. Chinese people lose their minds when I tell them Indians make more money on average than they do in the US - it destroys their image of Indians being poor.