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Red pill, fitter, nicer clothes. Yet, [much] worse results
05-23-2015, 04:00 AM
Hi all,
TLDR - more red pill, fitter, nicer clothes, yet less quantity and quality in dating in 2015.
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2013: I came again on the market in second half (at 35) and had about 8 notches, mostly 3-6. I was quite fit, but not very well dressed always.
2014: I took red pill, and spent a lot of time 'dating' and had 25 odd notches, including a mini-relationship with a solid 8 (or 9/9.5 if I consider her ever pleasant personality and really fit body). Had met her through a friend, and we broke up when she figured that I was not going to commit. There were two other 8's (both social circle), a few 7s (mainly CL), many 6s (mainly okc) but also a couple of 4's.
2015: I carried over two chics from Dec 2014 (one 6, one 7), and another FWB (6). Decided that I won't engage less than 7, and will focus more on 8s. I have been always dressing well, tiny bit more buffed, more red pill, and somehow both quantity and quality of new dates has gone down. Most dates with 7s now end up with kisses, but no second date. I haven't had a date with a 9 since what seems like forever. And on top, a few girls (including first timers and social circle chics) say that I am player.
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TLDR - more red pill, fitter, nicer clothes, yet less quantity and quality in dating in 2015.
What gives? Any suggestions on how to reverse this dip? Is it that as I'm meeting my three girls almost every week, I'm "not hungry enough"? OKC response rate is also lower - that could be because most girls have seen me in one year plus.
Thanks in advance.
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Red pill, fitter, nicer clothes. Yet, [much] worse results
05-23-2015, 04:16 AM
There are so many possible confounding variables, but for sure dressing better and being in better shape is not hurting you- especially with the higher-end girls.
Perhaps you are getting less attention from the 3-6 girls that you seem to be rather fond of (not judging haha) because they disqualify themselves, they automatically look at you know and think they'd get P&D'd.
You probably found your own problem- radiating the player vibe. Plus, perhaps you're a bit thirsty for those 8's and 9's.
I'm no fashion guru, but nicer (more expensive) clothes doesn't necessarily mean better style- especially if you don't feel authentic in them. Perhaps you've gone too far with the clothes, and they are part of the reason you're putting off the player vibe.
I think we'd all need a bit more information to really help diagnose what's going on here.
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Red pill, fitter, nicer clothes. Yet, [much] worse results
05-23-2015, 08:54 AM
You burned through your easiest options, now you have to go out and meet even more girls to have that same abundance.
My game is way up but my notches are slightly lower because Ive fished too much in the same ponds, and it takes time to find new ones.
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05-23-2015, 11:58 AM
That's because the quality that you're going after is way better than before. You've already experience many 5 and 6's, so now you don't even get that "jolt" when you see them since you ran through them. Believe me you Game is wayyy better then before!
Unfortunately that's the small catch 22 of being a playa my friend: The better you become, the better quality you want, and then the harder it gets, because # 1) These girls have more guys going after them and # 2) That 5-6 that you had a raging desire to Bang before is not even registering on your radar anymore. Every Playa goes through it so don't worry about it and move away from your lay count and focus on quality
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05-25-2015, 08:43 AM
Do you really think there's way to increase aesthetic?
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05-25-2015, 11:01 AM
I notice how you don't really talk about your game much.
Like shaving 2 percentage points off your body fat means something after the first 15 minutes of the conversation.
Nice clothes
Nice body
Money
Central location
Cool car
happening social life
God in the Sack
Doesn't mean anything if you can't REALLY talk to these chicks.
If you're failing to connect, then you won't get the bang or the second date.
Am I really running game? Or am I just dating?
WIA
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05-26-2015, 01:20 PM
Being more "red pill" doesn't necessarily make you more attractive to women.
Nicer clothes are great but they have to be congruent with your personality, vibe, and level of game.
A good body is nice but your tongue is your most important muscle.
There is a lot more to it than just clothes and working out!
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Its easy to go from bad to "average".
Its HARD to go from average to good!
Its even HARDER to go from good to GREAT!
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Moto, Lochte, Captian GH, My Detriot Playas and WIA have answered all of your questions beautifully.
You got the clothes and the body, now, work on your Game!
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05-30-2015, 10:26 AM
Thanks WIA, Giovonny.
Agreed, there is something missing - I am unable to connect or lead the chicks which was pretty fine last year.
Had two new dates in last two days - both started fun, but ended kind of awkwardly. In the first one with a 7.5, I focused a lot more on connection (the girl was on the serious side), asked her questions (including some from that list of 34 questions), and held her hand while crossing road etc, and led her to couple places. But it ended awkwardly as she 'was feeling sleepy'.
The one today with a solid 8, or even 9- I focussed on making it fun, we laughed a lot, but it still ended without a kiss after an hour and half. The girl gave me a big hug, and when I tried to kiss, she said "Don't kiss me". I laughed it away and said "you really think so?" but didn't kiss her.
In last few months, I've read a few books on game (including Bang). Last year it was solely this forum. Maybe I am expecting too much, and hence putting too much pressure on myself, or maybe I need to internalize few learnings (and read this forum a lot more again), but there is something off.