[extracube]

All this talk makes me think of a question: if you and your wife live most of the time (or all of it) in her country,

- can she still apply for a green card / US resident card even if not in the US for long

- how easy is it for foreign women to get such permanent US residency / green card or whatever in general (length of time, amount of hassle)

- and even if the both of you stayed in her country most / all of the time, could she still scam divorce you and move to the US (and perhaps court rape you as well?).

[Kamikaze]

This article probably deserves a thread of its own, but it applies here I guess:

How your hometown affects your chances of marriage

   

NYT Wrote:

People are less likely to marry if they grow up in certain places, especially liberal ones.

...

"The Deep South presents the most complex picture. It nudges affluent children toward marriage and lower-income children away from it. By comparison, the Northeast generally discourages marriage for children of all income levels, and the Mountain West encourages it for children of all levels."

So if you're looking for a wife, move to a rural red state.

For the record, I've always thought population density was the single most important attribute determining whether a place has marriageable girls. Check out the reddish areas in the above map indicating places where people are less likely to marry... it might as well be a population density choropleth, but in this map the colors are reversed.



Also, from the article, so nice to see the knowledge on this forum validated. The award for the place with least marriageable bitches goes to...

   

[therealpoder]

Yeah, that's true. I live in DC and the only young (under 30) married couples I know married in another state and then moved to DC. It seems around here that people don't think about marriage until they are 30.

Contrast that with my experience down south. The vast majority of women get married or have at least one child from 22-27. The only girls I know from the south that didn't get married or have kids moved to liberal, northern cities like New York. In fact, I knew some girls that were proud virgins and waiting until marriage.

In short, if you want to get married, move to the south or a conservative small town.

[Parlay44]

The dream is to find an ethereal virgin and bring her back with you to the cesspool where you make an above average salary. Yet she's supposed to remain thin, virginal and supplicating in this environment. It can't be done. Men have died trying.

Just focus on yourself. Make your money and bang some sluts along the way and try not to get attached.

It's a woman's job to hitch her wagon to a successful man to sustain her needs through her post-reproductive(least desirable) years.

It's your job to sleep with as many women as possible for as long as possible while still maintaining your bank account.

Don't get caught up in the romantic narrative of marriage. It's just not worth it these days.

[Dino]

Could that chart also show us where the largest number of homosexuals are located? Not many of them marry although we hear much about the ones who do. I just noticed New Orleans(my hometown) and San Francisco listed and it got me thinking about the large number of gays in those cities. That has to change up the marriage stats quite a bit.

[edtf]

Utah has a lot of Mormon girls who are thin, beautiful, do not drink or smoke, and want to hurry and get married and have kids. Girls not married in their early 20's are considered old maids. They have a very conservative attitude and are very traditional and marriage minded. I've seen banging girls who look 22, but are actually 30 years old, they age much better than other white women, it must be the accumulation of 10-20 years of no alcohol, no smoke, and not staying out late.

The only caveat is that you need to convert to the church to get access to them.

[FANATICAL]

Go to ballroom / Latin dance classes. Must have the ballroom part otherwise you still get the huge sluts trying to do salsa. First lesson I went to I picked up a 22 strict catholic, long hair not coloured, thin etc. It was like a time warp to the golden age of marriage in 1950s. Sadly I'm not catholic and couldn't be bothered faking church to make it work. Anyway, you get the idea... Dance is where good girls go to find husbands. At my class there are so many that met there they are almost a club inside the class.

Your Wow Factor point is dead on. If you are not super alpha to her for some reason you are going to struggle to maintain frame long term.

[Cobra]

Quote:

Wowed by me

To be fair, I think I speak for the forum membership when I say, we were wowed first after clicking this thread.

[Vitriol]

(05-16-2015 01:43 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

For the record, I've always thought population density was the single most important attribute determining whether a place has marriageable girls. Check out the reddish areas in the above map indicating places where people are less likely to marry... it might as well be a population density choropleth, but in this map the colors are reversed.

There's obviously a strong correlation there, but I think it has more to do with the fact that people living in many of these areas literally don't have many other options due to low population density, rather than some quality or behavior traits of the girls. Apparently, it's still fairly common for guys from these areas to join the military and have these girls who they married at a young age fuck around on them when they're deployed. I've heard so many stories about that happening I've lost count.

Parlay44 Wrote:

The dream is to find an ethereal virgin and bring her back with you to the cesspool where you make an above average salary. Yet she's supposed to remain thin, virginal and supplicating in this environment. It can't be done. Men have died trying.

Just focus on yourself. Make your money and bang some sluts along the way and try not to get attached.

It's a woman's job to hitch her wagon to a successful man to sustain her needs through her post-reproductive(least desirable) years.

It's your job to sleep with as many women as possible for as long as possible while still maintaining your bank account.

Don't get caught up in the romantic narrative of marriage. It's just not worth it these days.

I think all the guys starting these threads don't realize just how unrealistic those expectations are. There's pretty much a snowball's chance in hell of making that work. Even if you could pull it off somehow, what sane man would want to just find some plain-jane to live on a farm with for 40 years and have that be his life instead of trying to be as successful as possible and being with lots of different women along the way?

[blacknwhitespade]

The best place in theory to meet marriage-minded women is through Church circles. It's much more difficult than you think, though. Christian girls are somewhat immune to Game, and, the quality will be lower than you would think. I'm actually talking to a few women in my church right now, it's definitely a different dynamic.

Laugh out loud at calculating online dating as the least likely way to meet marriage minded women.

[WanderingSoul]

You can find those type of girls flying out of my ass, just after the monkeys.

[Parlay44]

Come on guys. All women are marriage minded. Marriage and divorce both favor the woman. They can't lose. Men assume all the risk and take all the debt if it doesn't work out.

I think the question is: Where do you find women who will be faithful to you for life if you choose to marry them?

[Apollo21]

What's interesting is how do you make having kids
and raising the next generation work if you don't
have marriage?

Marriage is more than a personal lifestyle choice. It's an entire ecosystem.

Just look at Japan where many many men choose not to marry.
With a declining birthrate, Japan's entire economy is going to
be on the brink without enough young people to replace its aging workers.

It's a cascade effect. Without marriage you don't have family. And without
family, society starts to break down.

While marriage may be optional for the individual, it's a must for a healthy society.

[YossariansRight]

It's a dilemma. To marry or not. But the risks for men vastly outweigh the rewards; at least they to do me.

The only realistic middle ground/compromise I can see is having kid(s) out of wedlock but not cohabitating with the mother(s). $upport your kid(s), be a father, but don't enter into a suicide pact (marriage and/or cohabitation) to do so.

It only takes one phone call for your life to get fucked forever. This cannot be overlooked.

[Parlay44]

There's nothing you can get from marriage that you can't get from a steady girlfriend.

[UberBicep]

He mentioned a perfect wife would ideally be well travelled. But if that is the case then she'd likely been on the D quite a bit and probably has a higher than expected notch count.

[mikeraw]

No. I'm the well-traveled guy. I wouldn't want a well-traveled GF.

[Sailor]

(05-17-2015 10:53 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

There's nothing you can get from marriage that you can't get from a steady girlfriend.

Alimony and inheritance

[Parlay44]

(05-18-2015 01:00 AM)Sailor Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 10:53 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

There's nothing you can get from marriage that you can't get from a steady girlfriend.

Alimony and inheritance

It's not worth it. The chances of landing an über-rich girl are slim. I ain't no Pusscrook Plus I make my own money.

[heavy]

(05-17-2015 10:53 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

There's nothing you can get from marriage that you can't get from a steady girlfriend.

Generally I'm too busy golfing and socializing on weekends to be on the forum, but Sunday morning as I waited for my partner to hack a 9 iron 150 yards to the green, this thread jumped into my mind.

There's one huge reason guys get married I don't recall ever reading here or in other manosphere sites. The bottom line is, outside of family, marriage provides the longest man-woman relationship, on average.

- Avg range of a weekend hookup 1 fuck - 3 weeks
- Avg range of a fuck-buddy relationship (see 1x per week) 1 - 6 months
- Avg range of a non-exclusive girl your seeing (seeing >1x per week) 2 - 9 months
- Avg range of girlfriend 4 - 18 months
- Avg range of serious girlfriend 2 - 4 years
- Avg range of marriage ~9 years

Both my marriage and my buddy's marriages weren't good, we had no kids, and we both still went 5-6 years. Sure, there are anomalies. I have two friends who were married less than a year. I know people who've dated for a decade. I've strung out a fuck-buddy for over a year.

Because women want to marry eventually and settle down (decreasing attention, sexual value, and # of eggs), they're willing to stick around for the longest with a marital or future marital relationship.

Women can handle ambiguity for so long in a relationship.

It's a trade-off. Freedom and money for a longer relationship. I wouldn't go back and get married, obviously knowing now what I didn't know then, but I don't regret getting married. It stands as the most meaningful relationship I've had with a woman.

[fiasco360]

Church or volunteer organizations.

I'd say the latter if you aren't very religious.

[The Beast1]

*3 on church and volunteer organizations.

Church and volunteer game is easy. Just add a dash of comfort on top of being a slight dick. Be 75% comfort, 25% reformed bad boy. That's all you need.

Don't even bother showing to these circles if your game is tailored for club sluts.

[kaotic]

(05-16-2015 02:47 PM)edtf Wrote:  

Utah has a lot of Mormon girls who are thin, beautiful, do not drink or smoke, and want to hurry and get married and have kids. Girls not married in their early 20's are considered old maids. They have a very conservative attitude and are very traditional and marriage minded. I've seen banging girls who look 22, but are actually 30 years old, they age much better than other white women, it must be the accumulation of 10-20 years of no alcohol, no smoke, and not staying out late.

The only caveat is that you need to convert to the church to get access to them.

Bingo.

Where I live in SoCal we have a high concentration of Mormons.

I've noticed they're either very good, or fucking wild.

Some of the biggest sluts I knew were mormon along with some of the hottest girls I met in high school that didn't put out at all, were mormon.

I'm not converting for pussy or a marriage.

But you've got the right idea, the mormons I've met are proper, respected, they might be squares but they're good people.

[tomzestatlu]

Today I had a coffee with girl from Morroco. Maybe it isn´t something unusual, but I live in very homogenous country in Eastern Europe. There are not so many foreigners and it´s quite unusual for locals to date foreigners, especially from muslim country.
I found her on Tinder, she stated she looks for friends there, but all the guys want only hook up and I was quite curious about her. I met with her with no intentions and it was actually pretty interesting for me. Conclusion is that even though she is black sheep of family and isn´t muslim, she has still very traditional views. For example she mentioned she won´t pursue career, because she wants to have children soon, that building family is what would fullfil her life or that if she had a boyfriend/husband, she would never go to party, where are other men alone.
I was thinking about her and came to conclusion, that if I wanted to find family girl at all cost, this would be definitely good pick. She is pretty, tiny body and looks like prettier Spanish. I am not into this type of girls and I support ethnically homogenous relationships, but it led me to conclusion, that picking up similar kind of girl from very traditional background and society actually could be for a lot of guys the answer for the lack of quality women around.

[Easy_C]

(05-16-2015 02:05 PM)therealpoder Wrote:  

Yeah, that's true. I live in DC and the only young (under 30) married couples I know married in another state and then moved to DC. It seems around here that people don't think about marriage until they are 30.

Contrast that with my experience down south. The vast majority of women get married or have at least one child from 22-27. The only girls I know from the south that didn't get married or have kids moved to liberal, northern cities like New York. In fact, I knew some girls that were proud virgins and waiting until marriage.

In short, if you want to get married, move to the south or a conservative small town.

Can confirm. I've got an ex down there is....kind of a weird case. She's staunchly Catholic, never really dated guys much (had plenty of tells she'd never been with anyone), big family and ties.....However she went to a famous all girl's college and had the attitude that "I'll get married probably about 30".

She's kind of introverted so needless to say it didn't work out as planned.



I will second the general sentiment. Good news is that there's plenty of ways to reach them. I got mine from a very small town using a matchmaking site that's restricted to girls from my denomination. The filter I used required them to indicate that they unconditionally accepted ALL religious teachings used on that site.


Interestingly enough I came across one litmus test that's a pretty good indicator of which ones are the real deal and which ones arent: Do they believe the use of contraception is morally acceptable? Without exception every one I've met who would be a good wife rejected the use of contraceptives, and vice versa.