[jariel]

(05-11-2015 03:11 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

In LA, Miami, & Vegas it's way more acceptable for a guy to be across-the-board impressive, but those cities also do not reflect the real American culture.

Nah, there isn't much to be impressed with in Miami.

Most people here are at best nicely wrapped, but empty packages.

[Atlanta Man]

"In LA, Miami, & Vegas it's way more acceptable for a guy to be across-the-board impressive, but those cities also do not reflect the real American culture."


Miami is the most difficult place I have ever been when it comes to the median of men. With the exception of height, you really gotta be the complete package to get the high level women here. Gyms are packed 24/7 except on Friday, your clothes must be together, you gotta have money to spend, you gotta have a place near the action. You used to need a nice car, but Uber changed that. I did not realize how high the level was here until I went to DC to see my family for the holidays. Me my girl my brother and his girl all went out, and everywhere we went we got in free and people were staring at us. I shit you not they literally just stopped what they were doing and just stared. One club we went to we were about to leave and the promoter for that night comped us a bottle so we would stay.

My girl is pretty average for Miami, but except NY, LA, and Vegas she is very above average. I am a tall in shape dude but I do not really stand out in Miami except for height, everywhere else (especially Atl) I get a lot of attention.In Miami you see a lot of women who do menial shit like housekeeping, or waitressing where if they went somewhere else a man would take care of them and they would never work again. Hell, they would not even have to leave the state just go north within Florida and they would be standouts. It is kind of weird when you think about it...

[Nascimento]

(05-11-2015 03:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I don't see how obesity and fat acceptance is good for society as a whole.

Think about the healthcare system, tax dollars at work, laws being passed, etc.

More weight more problems.

Why shouldn't we push guys and gals to be healthy and be the best they can be ?

That sounds like a positive outcome in my book?

Of course it isn't. But that's society.

I was referring to the dating market, I guess I should have been more specific.

[Lizard King]

More bullshit propaganda.

Women like masculine men, despite what media, feminists and other bullshit says. Just as we like feminine women.

[Foolsgo1d]

Dad bod? Is that the body which comes along when you're pussy whipped?

[Checkmat]

Consider something though. I think there is validity to the snippets of girls saying they want to be the more physically attractive one in a relationship. That doesn't undo their desire for an alpha at the same time.

Think of fat, out-of-shape guys who play in rock bands. I know one off the top of my head who had a model for a wife. He looks like dog shit next to her when they're at the pool together. His attitude is DontGiveAFuck and is a bad boy. She gets what she wants out of a guy she's attracted to and still gets to feel pretty next to him instead of self-conscious next to a guy with six pack abs.

They want a guy that is SO ALPHA that she is still attracted to him DESPITE--not BECAUSE OF--his disgusting shape. Leonardo DiCaprio fits this description.

It all comes back to how self-centered women are about their own feelings. It really is about placating their self-doubts and insecurities by praising men for being out-of-shape.

[PrimeTime32]

Can you imagine if they called a fat overweight woman a "mom bod"?

[MasculineOfCenter]

This just seems like more evidence that women aren't turned on by a tight body and flat stomach to anywhere near the degree men are. How many super fit guys with a bit of social awkwardness do you see who can't get laid? How many chubby, but relaxed and charismatic guys do you see who pull hot girls almost at will?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a major proponent of working out. Any little advantage is worth grabbing. But that's all it is; a slight advantage. This 'dad bod' thing reinforces everything the manosphere has been saying about how attraction differs between the sexes.

[kaotic]

(05-11-2015 06:23 PM)MasculineOfCenter Wrote:  

This just seems like more evidence that women aren't turned on by a tight body and flat stomach to anywhere near the degree men are. How many super fit guys with a bit of social awkwardness do you see who can't get laid? How many chubby, but relaxed and charismatic guys do you see who pull hot girls almost at will?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a major proponent of working out. Any little advantage is worth grabbing. But that's all it is; a slight advantage. This 'dad bod' thing reinforces everything the manosphere has been saying about how attraction differs between the sexes.

I used to workout with mindest its for the girls, then I realized, I don't give a fuck what girls think. If she thinks my results in the gym are hot, great, if she's turned off, well that's her problem.

I lift for myself, it helps me decompress, it keeps me in shape, alive, and healthy.

You're right, attraction does differ, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be active.

Why not be charming, cool, AND being in great shape?

Having both those is more than a slight advantage.

[Dr. Howard]

The "dad bod" is like the woman's alpha/beta dichotomy coming right out into the open. They want life to be easy, they want to be able to see the beta from a mile away, same for an alpha and not be confused.

I would propose throwing Ron Jeremy into the mix for any "Dad Bod" discussion. That guy looks like a mutant, but whose reputation and equipment would threaten the relationship comfort of any woman.

If a girl says "I like the Dad bod" would reply "so Ron Jeremy would be your ideal husband" and they would reply "eww he's gross" and then ask them to expand on what separates "Dad Bod" from Mr. Jeremy...and clearly its going to be beta traits, not his physical appearance.

[Switch]

I'm not 100% sure, but up until that article I thought 90% of the 'dad bod' posts on the internet were tongue in cheek. Kind of like "I'll do whatever the fuck I want and the dad bod is the result of it, and I'm ok with that." this isn't going to change anythianything, guys aren't going to get fat because of this.

[The_CEO]

Isn't the science on this that they want dad bod for most of the month except for the times when they don't.



Or...maybe they're on the pill:

"Unattractive Men Look Better to Women on the Pill"

http://www.livescience.com/48781-women-p...ction.html

[The Lizard of Oz]

This is a subject on which guys are prone to an almost endless amount of confusion and misunderstanding.

To the extent that females have an ideal of an attractive guy, neither of the images below corresponds to that ideal.



No, it's not true that women like men to have a "dad bod" gut or to be pointedly chubby or overweight. But neither do they like them to be exaggerated bodybuilder types with extreme six packs and all the rest. There are exceptions of course, and there are women (and many more gay men) who fetishize this look -- as indeed there are some who fetishize the chubsters -- but they are in the minority.

The ideal male look for most women is closer to something like this:



But even that can create an exaggerated idea. The truth is the most women prefer guys who are taller, or who don't read short; who are not grossly overweight or excessively thin; they might have a preference with respect to complexion, that is, light skin/dark skin, blonde or dark haired etc; and they will look for at least one physical feature that they find particularly appealing, maybe striking eyes, a winning smile, broad shoulders, it could be almost anything. It really doesn't go far beyond that.

And of course nearly all of this is secondary to other aspects of a guy's personality and physical demeanor, his confidence, how he walks, his bearing when he stands and sits, how he talks, how he acts. You can have guys who are borderline ugly or repulsive, and if they are naturals or alphas or have serious power or an otherwise commanding presence they will get the hottest pussy on earth.

In short, no, it's of course not true that having a gut or being overweight brings you closer to what women look for in a man. But neither is it true that you need a "six pack", 8% body fat, or a bodybuilder's physique, or that women find these things particularly attractive. The efforts spent attaining that ideal (to the extent they are spent with the goal of attracting females) could be spent far more productively in other pursuits.

[civpro]

Women are viscerally attracted to the rare man with a sick bod. But at the same time they need a "safe" guy on their level who will stick with them. So they say and even feel this kind this of shit to protect their asses.

[Fortis]

(05-11-2015 06:55 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The ideal male look for most women is closer to something like this:

If that is the case, then I am your new fucking overlord.
I'm about there with my body, except I probably am shorter and have lower body fat levels.

Here's how I look at it: you can always look better (bodywise.) Sure, women don't give a fuck if you are 6 packed out and sporting low body fat, but I have almost never met a shredded, muscular dude who wasn't not super cocky and aggressive with women. My game actually got better when I started lifting 1.5 years ago. I just sort of have more of a swagger to me that I didn't have that time ago.

The dad bod thing is pure faggotry in my book. I want women to be intimidated by my physique and work to please me and keep me around, not be comfortable and think they can control me.

A dad bod is a comfortable thing, but a shredded, muscular, athletic physique will make it so she knows she's fucking with a guy who can drop her when she starts her bullshit up.

[Bacchus]

Let's not forget about the 'mom bod.'



Unfortunately, it's not limited to actual mothers, but rather it's widespread across the general (spinster) population.

[The_CEO]

The other factor is the photo's in question.
The fit version with the guy smiling and kind of hunched/leaning forward in bad light...

Forum member Blurred Stevens would have a field day critiquing the photo. If the photo was more flattering and not necessarily shirtless, I think women would like that "bod" very much.

It's just a cheezy presentation.

Lastly, I don't know if it's from Crossfit or what, but in the bigger cities I've been to in the West lately, there seem to be many more vy fit guys than there used be. Competition is tough.

[la_mode]

(05-11-2015 03:18 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 03:11 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

In LA, Miami, & Vegas it's way more acceptable for a guy to be across-the-board impressive, but those cities also do not reflect the real American culture.

Nah, there isn't much to be impressed with in Miami.

Most people here are at best nicely wrapped, but empty packages.

That's true for any glamorous city.

Towns like DC or Boston are far worse. Not nicely wrapped plus extra insufferable.

[jariel]

(05-11-2015 08:55 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

Let's not forget about the 'mom bod.'

That's the "Time To Get Another Bitch" bod.

[Aer]

Just wanted to post this...

[Basil Ransom]

"The ideal male look for most women is closer to something like this:"

Nah. Once you subtract the fatties, the uglies, and the old hags, the remaining women have a stronger preference for muscular masculine men. Most of the surveys dont filter out all those undesirable women. Self rated attractiveness correlates with preference for masculinitt. Plus women dont even know when their own pussy is wet.

And that dude looks perfectly average with a shirt on.

[vinman]

(05-11-2015 10:27 PM)Aer Wrote:  

Just wanted to post this...

Whut....?

[samsamsam]

(05-11-2015 08:55 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

Let's not forget about the 'mom bod.'



Unfortunately, it's not limited to actual mothers, but rather it's widespread across the general (spinster) population.

That is the "RVF Hopes You Are Never a Mom Bod" - but some asshole will gladly impregnate her.

Or the "Remember to take 2 morning after pills because when you are fat hog one won't work bod"

[Capitán Peligroso]

Quote:

Nah. Once you subtract the fatties, the uglies, and the old hags, the remaining women have a stronger preference for muscular masculine men. Most of the surveys dont filter out all those undesirable women.

I agree with all of this, but I'll also add that women lie through their teeth about this kind of shit, and probably more so in surveys where there's no chance of being called out on it. I found picture recently of me with an old girlfriend about five or six years ago. I was the picture of what she said she wanted in terms of style, fitness, how I cut my hair, and what she wanted in a man. I didn't have a dad bod, but my whole appearance was more let-it-be than I prefer. We broke up about a year later, about a year after that, she met her (now) husband, and I got back into self-improvement, changed my style, started getting back in the gym and converted about 15 pounds of fat into muscle.

I'll just say that how she acts around me when her husband is around is completely different than how she acts around me when he isn't there. Most American women are full of shit when it comes to telling the truth about relationships, what they're attracted to, and things like that, and I think this is an example of that.

[StrikeBack]

(05-11-2015 01:34 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Is that photo supposed to sell us "dad bod" as a good thing?

I just see an attractive girl leaning away from a fat guy in silent disgust.