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#26

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If you don't drink sorry but sucks to suck good luck picking up women without any alcohol and banging them easily. Won't say it's impossible but you are shooting yourself in the foot here.

Edit: I'm with the guys saying leave Toronto I know guys in real life from there and coupled with the guys from the forum saying it's shit I I would heavily advise you to get out.

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Ok. So,
- being non white is a problem
- not drinking is a problem
- being 30+ is a problem
- not being super ripped (probably top 1% of physique) is a problem
- accent is a problem
- Toronto is a problem
Folks, I don't have any gaming experience as such, but in theory, don't this (except the accent part) fit classic definition of self-limiting beliefs?

After doing a hundred or so approaches, I may reach the same conclusion as posted by you guys (I certainly defer to your experience or I'd call it all bull-shit ) but for now I am finding it hard to wrap my head around so many obstacles. From all the books and forums I've read, it seems like these would all be self-limiting beliefs.

I agree with 'accent' issue only because, well, you can't properly run game if the person you are gaming doesn't understand you!


By the way, what are your views on gaming Canadian-Asian women (Flipino, Thai, Chinese, Korean, Japanese and so on)? I love Asian looks. Would you say for minority (like me), they'd be even harder to game than white females?
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#28

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You got it all wrong

1-Being non white is NOT a problem (I'm middle eastern and my looks never were an obstacle)

2-Not drinking is NOT a problem (You can find many veterans here who can game without drinking)

3-Not being super ripped is NOT a problem (I'm not super ripped and some members can see me as not even ripped, yet again never been an obstacle)

4-Accent CAN be a problem (In some countries having an accent can be a huge asset to your gaming arsenal, in others it can be a killer)

5-Toronto IS a problem (The only thing you got right here)

The only self-limiting aspect is basically yourself. You do need to hit the gym to get in good shape for YOURSELF and not for the girls that don't know you exist. All of the things you read about here is to make you a better person of a better value. On the side you work on game so all of the previously mentioned points can supplement your game and get you better results with girls. If you take the advice here with a grain of salt and work on it you will definitely see improvement.
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Quote: (05-11-2015 02:15 AM)Redder Wrote:  

Ok. So,
- being non white is a problem
- not drinking is a problem
- being 30+ is a problem
- not being super ripped (probably top 1% of physique) is a problem
- accent is a problem
- Toronto is a problem
Folks, I don't have any gaming experience as such, but in theory, don't this (except the accent part) fit classic definition of self-limiting beliefs?

I'm going to have to stop you right here.

A. Being non white is an issue in TORONTO. I'll elaborate on this in the last bullet.
B. Not drinking is a problem because alcohol tends to be a requirement for a lot of girls to loosen up/pretend their drunk so they can bang you. Alcohol is a social stimulant required by society to a huge extent the days, but I'll let you find that out after about 70-80 hours of wasted time. I wouldn't say it's impossible but the girl will go in with the expectation of a long term commitment without the alcohol excuse because girls don't like being held liable for slutting around not to mention lots of denied sex.
C. It's an issue made up for with game and a good physique and style. We never said it was a massive hurdle.
D. We never said be super ripped we said hit the gym. If you want to go out being a fat slob that's on you. Game isn't a magic solution. Start hitting the gym regularly starting now. If you don't you might as well be a [Image: troll.gif] and should honestly just leave as this place isn't for you.
E. You said yourself why that's an issue and frankly I have never met anyone who thought an Indian accent is attractive.
F. Toronto is easily one of the worst places for guys to get laid period. It's a toxic mess on all accounts attributed too by forum members and good friends of mine in real life. If you want to game in the PUA capital of the world where thirst runs rampant and even guys who are 8+ barely get 6s and doubly as a minority go for it. Again wasted time and effort.

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Quote: (05-11-2015 02:50 AM)Geekzor Wrote:  

You got it all wrong

1-Being non white is NOT a problem (I'm middle eastern and my looks never were an obstacle)

2-Not drinking is NOT a problem (You can find many veterans here who can game without drinking)

3-Not being super ripped is NOT a problem (I'm not super ripped and some members can see me as not even ripped, yet again never been an obstacle)

4-Accent CAN be a problem (In some countries having an accent can be a huge asset to your gaming arsenal, in others it can be a killer)

5-Toronto IS a problem (The only thing you got right here)

The only self-limiting aspect is basically yourself. You do need to hit the gym to get in good shape for YOURSELF and not for the girls that don't know you exist. All of the things you read about here is to make you a better person of a better value. On the side you work on game so all of the previously mentioned points can supplement your game and get you better results with girls. If you take the advice here with a grain of salt and work on it you will definitely see improvement.

Yeah, well, that's what I said. All those things seemed like self-limiting belifs to me. Advise around taking steroids, getting surgery etc. seemed a bit drastic to me. But what do I know, I haven't yet field-tested anything. When senior members of forum come and say -- you basically have no chance at game in Toronto until you do so many (drastic) things first --- it is a bit jarring to say the least.

I can't say these members are wrong or speaking out of their ass because I've no experience. I can't speak from a position of authority/experience in this matter yet.

If anything, I am the one speaking out of my ass - after just reading theory in books and not having tested anything out in the field.
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Can you read the above post please by hwuzhere? And to recap on what he said, I doubt anyone here said you had no chance also you need to rethink your attitude because to be honest it seems like it is the only thing stopping you right now. Either that or you are a [Image: troll.gif]

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Quote: (05-11-2015 02:51 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

C. It's an issue made up for with game and a good physique and style. We never said it was a massive hurdle.
D. We never said be super ripped we said hit the gym. If you want to go out being a fat slob that's on you. Game isn't a magic solution. Start hitting the gym regularly starting now. If you don't you might as well be a [Image: troll.gif] and should honestly just leave as this place isn't for you.
E. You said yourself why that's an issue and frankly I have never met anyone who thought an Indian accent is attractive.
F. Toronto is easily one of the worst places for guys to get laid period. It's a toxic mess on all accounts attributed too by forum members and good friends of mine in real life. If you want to game in the PUA capital of the world where thirst runs rampant and even guys who are 8+ barely get 6s and doubly as a minority go for it. Again wasted time and effort.

D. I did say in my OP that I workout 3-4x a week and have been for past couple of years. I am no fat slob. I am not ripped/muscular (probably because of genetics) but I am far from being fat.
While you didn't ask me to get super ripped, civpro did suggest steroid use to get to top 0.1% and I can't simply dismiss his advise because I do think he knows what he is talking about. It's just difficult to wrap my head around it just yet (with no field experience). I hope (pray) my experience would be different.

E. Accent - I agree. If you can't be understood, you can't game!

F. Looks like everyone agrees Toronto IS a big problem. I can't change cities at drop of a hat but I'd put this in my to-do list. Meanwhile, make the best of what I have. Practice here, even if I get little to no success.
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I'm gonna argue in hwuz comment in not drinking.

I drink, but there have been plenty times where I didn't drink a drop off alcohol and did just as well going out.

I've also gotten laid on dates that included no alcohol or where the girl didn't drink.

I actually prefer to be sober anyway if in hitting the night life areas.

Go to the bar and get a soda water or tonic water or cranberry on ice.
Hell, even a water, rarely will you get questioned on it.

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Quote: (05-11-2015 03:44 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

I'm gonna argue in hwuz comment in not drinking.

I drink, but there have been plenty times where I didn't drink a drop off alcohol and did just as well going out.

I've also gotten laid on dates that included no alcohol or where the girl didn't drink.

I actually prefer to be sober anyway if in hitting the night life areas.

Go to the bar and get a soda water or tonic water or cranberry on ice.
Hell, even a water, rarely will you get questioned on it.

He dislikes bar atmospheres and bars period. In essence he's sticking only to day game.

Quote: (05-09-2015 02:29 AM)Redder Wrote:  

I don't drink and don't enjoy going to bars. So, bootcamps aren't a good fit for me as they mostly occur in bars. I am interested in day-game and 1:1 coaching

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Redder lot of good advice offered in this thread, Listen to what Civpro is saying, he essentially put it in Nutshell. His advice is Tough Love but you need to hear it, We are not going to give you a magic pill to have you get over your Approach Anxiety.

The Goal you have set forth is a tall order but I can relate to that as a 40 + Desi lothario myself. I remember my first few posts here circa 2010 were like these and some people told me to forget about it, some gave good advice but the bottom line was Hard Work, There are no short cuts. It took me a few years to get all my questions answered, I was having a hard time attracting White Girls 5 yrs ago now I am getting to a point where I want something different latinas, Asians etc. you really have to want it bad enough to not be bogged down by rejections, believe me you will have a ton in the begining.

I will add don't put things in order like "I have to get rid of AA before working out or paying attention to my wardrobe" . You can work on multiple facets of game simultaneously and eventually you will see all parts of the game gelling together. Yes you have to get rid of your AA and Approach like a mofo to see some clarity.

Dagonet, not cool for offering to tutor for money.
, This is a band of brothers and we help our forum brothers whenever we can. OP have you contacted any local players in Toronto to hang out with, Where is T-Kid, I think he changed his username ? send me a PM, I will be happy to talk to you, No problem. I might be in Toronto this summer, will be happy to sit down and hash out game related problems.

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Quote: (05-11-2015 12:50 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Redder lot of good advice offered in this thread, Listen to what Civpro is saying, he essentially put it in Nutshell. His advice is Tough Love but you need to hear it, We are not going to give you a magic pill to have you get over your Approach Anxiety.

The Goal you have set forth is a tall order but I can relate to that as a 40 + Desi lothario myself. I remember my first few posts here circa 2010 were like these and some people told me to forget about it, some gave good advice but the bottom line was Hard Work, There are no short cuts. It took me a few years to get all my questions answered, I was having a hard time attracting White Girls 5 yrs ago now I am getting to a point where I want something different latinas, Asians etc. you really have to want it bad enough to not be bogged down by rejections, believe me you will have a ton in the begining.

I will add don't put things in order like "I have to get rid of AA before working out or paying attention to my wardrobe" . You can work on multiple facets of game simultaneously and eventually you will see all parts of the game gelling together. Yes you have to get rid of your AA and Approach like a mofo to see some clarity.

Dagonet, not cool for offering to tutor for money.
, This is a band of brothers and we help our forum brothers whenever we can. OP have you contacted any local players in Toronto to hang out with, Where is T-Kid, I think he changed his username ? send me a PM, I will be happy to talk to you, No problem. I might be in Toronto this summer, will be happy to sit down and hash out game related problems.

Thanks. I'll PM you.
Don't get me wrong. I never said I won't work on other aspects until AA is fixed.

What I said was, I am already working on those things: eg,
- Been going to gym for 2 years, 3-4x / week (not ripped, I look fit though).
- Have a great job.
- Decent social life.
- Travel a lot.
- Wardrobe is decent (but its a subjective thing, what looks decent to me might look bad to you), well groomed.
- well educated

and I continue to work on/improve upon those things.
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Quote: (05-11-2015 02:15 AM)Redder Wrote:  


By the way, what are your views on gaming Canadian-Asian women (Flipino, Thai, Chinese, Korean, Japanese and so on)? I love Asian looks. Would you say for minority (like me), they'd be even harder to game than white females?

FOB Asians is a very good niche for an Indian guy IMO. I've seen Indian dudes with cute FOB Asian girls. One of my friends who is a 5"6 brown guy(pretty small and pretty much balding), does decently with cute FOB Asian girls. Another tall brown dude who's a bit FOB was with a hot Japanese girl.

Remember those girls usually date super nerdy Asian guys. I've never personally gone after that niche because I'm not into FOB Asian girls(I don't usually like Asian girls, but the ones I do are Westernized), but this is a super solid niche for you to start out with. Doubly so for white guys. My white friend murders it with FOB Asian girls.

The one positive thing about Toronto is there is a good amount of diversity which means there's plenty of niches to tap into.

Another great niche is latinas. I find they're quite receptive to me. if you speak beginner to intermediate level Spanish they'll be very friendly and be charmed by your attempts to speak their language.

If you want to get Canadian raised girls, you'll have to put in way more effort to basically dial into local fashion, social norms, etc. Having a great body will make the game way easier and I highly encourage you to move towards having that. The brown guys who do well are basically white dudes with brown skin. That's the way it is in Ontario. I pretty much hang out with zero FOB Indian dudes or go to any Indian events or any of that shit. Indian social norms will kill your game.

If you're not very good looking you absolutely HAVE to be socially dominant with good game. My alright looking white guy friends with decent game still rarely get hot white girls because they're not socially dominant and charismatic enough.

Considering your age, you would probably be targeting women in their mid 20s to mid 30s.

By the way, I do agree Toronto is a problem. I think taking a quick bang trip to the Philippines or another "easy" country would really help your game. My first 3 lays were outside of Toronto, that should tell you what you need to know. Although nowdays I'm on more of a roll here(2 lays in April). I'd say get to around 4-5 lays in an easier location, then come back here to build on that. Otherwise it can be super frustrating getting the first couple of lays here.
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Thanks! Yeah, I am good with 28 to 35 age group. Though Canadian raised Asians are to my liking. Not so much FOB.

I am meeting a coach today here in US. Will report back his observations, tips.

Granted this is not Toronto and the coach is not really known brand. But still better to have an objective opinion.
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So, I had in-field session all day today. I was told that my accent is minimal and nothing to worry about at all. It is only slight. And yes, everyone can learn to speak somewhat slower but the way I speak is not a problem as such. I wasn't asked to repeat myself even once throughout the day.

My biggest problem, as identified by coach, is my unwillingness to go out of my comfort zone. How I quickly rationalize inaction. I'd see a girl and quickly rationalize why it is right to do nothing about it, not approach her.

Today, I was forced to do several approaches/interactions and almost all of them went pretty well. In fact, coach actually said "you were MONEY in that conversation".

The other problem is that if I have one not-stellar interaction, I let it affect my mood and just want to call it quits for the day/week. I was pushed into it today. And then if I have some less-than-stellar response, I just want to call it quits.

It has been damn near impossible for me to do cold-approaches. It's not fear of rejection, it's not fear of getting physically beaten, it's not anything. I am just not a social person as such. Like I was forced to do cold-approach today, I need to force myself to do those when nobody is watching me. I only did approaches today because I was under immense pressure of him watching me and I wasting money and time by not doing anything. So, I went ahead and did it.

About kino: he said, it's not the biggest thing (yet) as I have to learn to do approaches first and then we can work on other details.

As such he thought, body language, sense of dressing, humor, physical fitness, accent , grooming were all good enough and do not require any immediate correction or work


Granted this is not Toronto. We'll see how I do in Toronto. I'd try and push myself to do 1 approach a day.
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Just go up to her and say hi! [Image: smile.gif]

It will make her day
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Quote: (05-10-2015 02:09 AM)civpro Wrote:  

So let's get this straight OP. You're an older Indian man with an accent who lives in Toronto?

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Uh yeah, you're fucking screwed. Put aside your dreams of picking up hot young girls in this city because it's just not gonna happen for you. Sorry.

If however you want to absolutely maximize your sex life and get SOMETHING then do the following. Don't go with a pick up coach just yet.

1. Leave Toronto. This is the most important. Don't even bother trying. If you want a clean, safe city where you can raise a family then it's great. But if you want a sex life of some variety and you are not an archetypally 'hot' guy (which you're not) then there's nothing for you there. Toronto is the world capitol of ethnicels (ethnic incels). As an Indian male your sexual value on the open market is close to nil. Unfortunately, most non-Indian prime women are repulsed by a brown face. The best way to put it is that you are the sexual equivalent of a fat black woman. So AGAIN, do not read through the rest of this list. Stick with point #1: LEAVE TORONTO. If however you absolutely MUST stay here, then continue on...

2. Get accent reduction classes. This point is both key and not key. An Indian accent is a huge DLV that will get you blown out instantly many times over. However there are two caveats. First, I doubt the efficacy of accent reduction as oftentimes it will leave the student with merely a watered down, or mixed, half-Western, half-foreign accent that sounds just as stupid and even try-hard. Second, getting rid of the accent will merely clean up your disgust rate - it will NOT translate to massive successes. Remember, the handicap is that you are GENOtypically Indian, period, not the little things you say or do. Conclusion: try to temper a harsh, hokey sounding Indian accent (if that's what you have) into a more posh, Bombay boarding school sounding accent, if that makes sense, and then run with it.

3. TAKE STEROIDS. YES. Start pinning test and other androgenic compounds immediately to become an Adonis within a year or so. With your Indian genetics and MORE importantly your age the harsh truth is that you simply will not achieve anything remarkable within an acceptable time-frame. You're Indian, over 30, accented, and Toronto-based. That's what we DO know. But on top of that for all we know you could be butt ugly, bald, poor, and autistic - you haven't even divulged those elements yet. With so many strikes against you, you need absolutely every advantage you can get. With a top 0.1% physique you can get the casual sex and multiple FWB relationships that elude just about every well meaning brown guy in the city. This will be the primary instrument of your sexual attractiveness.

4. Cosmetics (Hair). Like other Indians, you probably have high DHT genetics and are prone to balding. Balding is tolerable in a normal world where men are scarce and valuable. In the sausage fest of today's world however, it is a clear handicap, despite what all the shaved head, Jason Statham-worshipping copers might tell you. If you still have a full head of hair, and so do your male ancestors, then give your thanks to God, for he loves you. If not, and you are thinning, then get on the Big 3 to halt it: 1) finasteride, 2) minoxidil, and 3) ketoconazole. If you've got a bit of recession in the front and/or back, consider putting down some money for a transplant and then staying on finasteride. If you're too forgone then look into hair systems. They're quite costly, but good genetics or the illusion thereof are priceless, and hair systems are very sophisticated and realistic-looking these days.

5. Cosmetics (Face). As you're an over 30 guy I'm assuming you're old enough to afford and consider these things. In terms of aesthetics your face is of ultimate importance, and insomuch as you can harness the technology to improve it, you are a league above other men. If you've got a weak jaw, then consider augmenting it. If you've got a bird nose, then consider rhinoplasty to smooth it out. If you've bug eyes, then consider orbital implants to make them look hunter-ish... and so on. However, surgery can only work on your projecting facial bones. It will not change the overall size and dimensions of your skull. That, everybody has to learn to 'accept'.

6. Presentation. Consider getting tattoos to make give yourself the edge that girls are looking for. You can spend $3k on a bootcamp to learn how to make yourself "behaviourally r-selected" from some random mentally masturbating coach, OR you can actually DO IT and have something to show for it in the form of ink. Tattoo game is totally legit. It gets girls. It's fucking stupid and it infuriates me as to how it shows how primitive women are but it's the gospel truth. And then, on top of your badboy muscle shirt interior, have a GQ ensemble for the special occasions. Nice shiny shoes, nice fitted suits, nice colourful pocket squares. Girls who like your face will love this shit you're wearing beneath it like crazy.

7. Target selection. I've been brutally real all throughout and I'm gonna keep that up especially for here. Assuming you've followed the above to a fairly well degree, you've got 3 categories of women who will be into you:
1) Young White Fatass Whales. Again, as an older accented brown guy in Toronto you're gonna strike out at getting prime young thin white women, even if you've got all the above shit, and your job situation, in check. Straight up, you're gonna have to settle for chubsters. UNLESS you're injecting trenbolone acetate however...
2) Over 30 Whites. They would've rejected you in their prime. Now they're begrudgingly into you (sort of)...
3) Over 30 Browns. This demographic is an absolute yet oft-ignored goldmine for upstart brown PUAs. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. They swallowed the feminism pill but they couldn't swallow it properly like their white girl peers and they pine for a cool brown dude in their broken lives.

8. Target acquisition. You should mainly get these girls through daygame, online game, and hobbies/social circle/warm approach. For online game, assuming you've got the elite physique through the means I described (if you don't, THEN, I'M TRYING TO HAMMER INTO YOUR HEAD, GOOD FUCKING LUCK), you want to play an insane, ruthless, mathematical numbers game where you screen out for DTF bitches who want to come over and lick your abs. You can then put these girls into a rotation. As for brown girls, meet them through wherever, uncles, mandir/masjid/gurdwara, and fuck em and don't get feelings. Brown girls respect guys who can legit get girls other than them.

9. THEN and ONLY then, after you've accomplished all these value-maxing endeavours, enlist the services of an approach coach who will lower your inhibition and show you how to blast your value and your persona to the world at large.

So that's that. Now my advice may seem overly brutal, harsh, pessimistic, but it's the fucking truth. People can read it and whine all they want but in the end it's all just coping and grappling with a reality that spurns them. I've lived this shit for 5 years and seen how it is. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

You can not follow my advice and live in a fantasy land and enrich some quack coach without ever addressing these elements I've laid out only to be in for a rude awakening at the end of it all. Or you can go back to arranged marriage land, because that's the best hope for 99% of brown guys, high value or not. ...Or... just or... you can accept that truth hurts and what's hurtful is true, and go with what I've said. Because I hope you do, I spent a lot of time typing all this out. You owe me a footwash and samosas. Shiet

[Image: lol.gif] I hate to single out a post but ... man the negativity is so over the top and unhealthy by what I believe to be forum standards. So I had to respond.

A lot of the practical advice civpro provided correct and it's good advice. However the tone of the post is just negative and defeats the purpose. Yes it's acknowledged but I don't see RVF as the place for that. Not saying it needs sugar coating but also no need to shit coat it either IMHO especially given its already got layers upon layers of that coating from years of trolling. I like some TOUGH LOVE but holy shit, there's that and just pummeling someone in the face and hoping they get it.

Point is shit ain't THAT bad. Not even bad at all really. Seeing reality in such a negative way will make you second guess yourself and quietly negate some of the valuable advice this post itself and the forum by and large provide.

The Internet and even the forum at times makes it seem like being Indian is a built in detriment that you may as well be blind or have no legs. Yes the overwhelming majority of Indian guys will never be able to cold approach and get numbers let alone get laid. However, I would argue that has more to do with the guys' inner game and attitude than girls disliking Indian guys. The SMV of Indian guys is low because they don't put forth the best foot compared to men of other races; not because they're Indian. An add on or connected reason is Heuristics. Girls have to also work a bit harder as Indian guys are very dissimilar to them; likely even more than black guys. So the white girl and Indian guy are both putting in more effort every given second to maintain a conversation. It's easier for her to speak with a white guy that she has an easy time talking with. Remember that Indian guys are fairly new to the dating scene relative to others. Simple. The few Indian guys that are players get laid because they are polished. What does that mean? Location, logistics and style/vibe FIRST. Not race or accent. I'm also pretty sure they get laid by at least a few hot girls. Paging Lothario.

And I've been more rejected by white girls but I have also approached more of them and have not put forth a 100% confidence with all of them because of this very attitude. There were also more white girls that wanted to sleep with me than ever when I was 18-23. I am 36 now so yes there will be less. Yet, forget white girls as there are Latin and even black women that will give you more of a chance (as already mentioned). Don't expect 18 year old white sorority girls but that's mostly a matter of age and logistics again. So it's not like it can't be done. I actually know of an Indian player who recently banged an 18 year old. True story.

I know a few Indian players with an accent who do just fine after honing their game while also showing pride in who they are (eg Lothario who already posted his thoughts). I also grew up with a lot of the positive ones. What they did was minimize the bad (shitty diet, accent and overall pussy attitude) and maximized their pride, style, looks and turned into positive attitude.

Work on yourself, yes, but maintain a positive attitude. It will be hard and it will hurt A LOT. But if you blame it on your race, you will be negative. It will mess you up even more mentally. Girls DO NOT reject you exclusively because you're Indian. There are plenty who don't care or even appreciate the Indian culture. You just need to be confident about selling it and not push it down their throat.

I just don't buy the whole Indian guys have low SMV vitriol because they're just..Indian. Not jumping on this bandwagon again because there are way too many people on it. And steroids and cosmetics? Come on. [Image: lol.gif] I'm not sure I buy that Indian genetics are so bad that you need steroids even at an older age. I'm skinnier than your average cat and yes my body and diet sucked a few years ago. I started lifting just a little at the age of 34 and my body changed for the better. Not ripped but not skinny either. It's all good. I think you're doing fine in this department OP.

I'm not sure I've read a post so full of good advice but negated by the depressing and negative attitude towards the idea of being Indian. Like trolling a dead troll.

What I find more surprising about posts like this is that it's written by Indians quite a bit. I'm not sure that with this attitude, no matter how much you lift, take roids or get plastic, that you will be able to get hot girls. If you want hot girls, go for hot girls. Period. Don't let some superficial ideas regarding what you don't control take full over your behavior. Remember that the west has built in mechanisms to single out not only Indians but most minorities. I think about every time someone still tells me "Oh, you don't even have an accent." Am I not supposed to muther******? While people don't think about it singling you out, it quietly does that and enough of these types of comments and situations will make you feel inferior. It's human nature.

TLDR .. If you think being Indian has most to do with your failures, then you will not find the path to understanding the game. Period. Follow practical advice and forget about the negative BS that says "if you're indian, girls don't like you." No need to let your Indian values go. It's quite simply not healthy.

And yes, you want to talk, I'm available for FREE as someone that understands the issues well. PM me and I will be happy to help you.

Source: My own experiences, fairly well documented on the forum.
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Being Indian in Toronto is actually good, as you can at least chase indian girls. Its not like being indian in Stevens Point (the model for point place in that 70s show) Wisconsin....then you'd be totally screwed.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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Civpro's reply was so self defeating I didn't even bother replying.

Toronto isn't ideal but its not the hellhole people make it out to be(ok, maybe it is in the winter, but the rest of the year it's not). Saying shit like "As an Indian male your sexual value on the open market is close to nil. Unfortunately, most non-Indian prime women are repulsed by a brown face." is just so wrong it just rings as absurd to me. Sure if you're an average FOB Indian that's true, but that's definitely not true for me, Kaotic, Cobra, or Lothario. I've met a decent number of Westernized Indian guys who are players.

Civpro, what are your stats, height and weight wise? You sure its being Indian or do you think its something else? Those kind of self-limiting beliefs aren't helping you.

@Dr. Howard

Not really. I don't do that well with Indian girls. I get a way better reception from latinas. I don't go for FOB Indian girls so they may respond better but I have 0 interest in them. Westernized brown girls are pretty hot but I haven't had much luck with them.
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Normally I would tell guys to go to Ukraine or Eastern Europe, but Indians actually are all over the place in Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

I saw so many Indians but they only hung out with themselves, I never saw a Ukrainian hottie with a brown dude, unfortunately.

The no accent is impossible as well I've seen guys in the U.S. For 30 some years and they still have an accent. I am not sure even where to begin with this.

I've met some teachers and they make a good point the whole point of speaking is to be able to communicate, I would focus on being able to communicate better as opposed to have an accent which you will never be able to get rid of.
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Quote: (05-12-2015 06:54 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

Normally I would tell guys to go to Ukraine or Eastern Europe, but Indians actually are all over the place in Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

So Indians shouldn't go somewhere because there are too many Indians there? That should ban them from India too.

Quote: (05-12-2015 06:54 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

I saw so many Indians but they only hung out with themselves, I never saw a Ukrainian hottie with a brown dude, unfortunately.

Very likely you weren't looking close or didn't want to see it.

Quote: (05-12-2015 06:54 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

The no accent is impossible as well I've seen guys in the U.S. For 30 some years and they still have an accent. I am not sure even where to begin with this.

Why is it impossible? Please, if you care to begin elaboration. I'm not sure you understand the culture and its unique pressures. It's easy for certain Indians to hang within their groups as no one else understands them. Why should they assimilate so much that it changes their identity. They won't tear through models but I'm pretty sure these guys are quite happy.

Quote: (05-12-2015 06:54 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

I've met some teachers and they make a good point the whole point of speaking is to be able to communicate, I would focus on being able to communicate better as opposed to have an accent which you will never be able to get rid of.

When people talk about getting "rid" of an accent it's another way to describe better communication. You can't change an accent and speak the same words with the same sentence structure; it will sound retarded. So yes the goal is better communication that is tailored to the western manner of speech.

The way your post is structured, peterfoo, it seems like you're jumping on that "Indians can't do X" bandwagon that's towed by a high horse. It's like beating a child senseless and then tucking him into bed at night with a bedtime story.

Another post that works to limit beliefs and continues the subtle trolling.

Tldr so far in the thread: man comes to seek genuine advice; doesn't even mention he's Indian in the OP. Leaves with even more limiting beliefs and sees his thread turn into a race thread which he didn't initiate. We're better than that gentlemen.
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Quote: (05-12-2015 06:54 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

Normally I would tell guys to go to Ukraine or Eastern Europe, but Indians actually are all over the place in Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

I saw so many Indians but they only hung out with themselves, I never saw a Ukrainian hottie with a brown dude, unfortunately.

The no accent is impossible as well I've seen guys in the U.S. For 30 some years and they still have an accent. I am not sure even where to begin with this.

I've met some teachers and they make a good point the whole point of speaking is to be able to communicate, I would focus on being able to communicate better as opposed to have an accent which you will never be able to get rid of.

Roosh personally told me that a brown forum member was doing very well in Ukraine. 99 percent of Indian FOBs do horribly with women hence why I don't believe anyone who says "Indian guys do badly in x location" unless they have first hand experience.

The accent can be changeable. There are professional speech therapists. I've met Indian college students straight from India that had accent therapy done that spoke near perfect Western English when I was down in Atlanta.

Granted they had rich parents that led them to be able to afford speech therapy but OP can as well. From the sounds of it, OP's accent isn't that bad.
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