Quote: (05-10-2015 02:09 AM)civpro Wrote:
So let's get this straight OP. You're an older Indian man with an accent who lives in Toronto?
Uh yeah, you're fucking screwed. Put aside your dreams of picking up hot young girls in this city because it's just not gonna happen for you. Sorry.
If however you want to absolutely maximize your sex life and get SOMETHING then do the following. Don't go with a pick up coach just yet.
1. Leave Toronto. This is the most important. Don't even bother trying. If you want a clean, safe city where you can raise a family then it's great. But if you want a sex life of some variety and you are not an archetypally 'hot' guy (which you're not) then there's nothing for you there. Toronto is the world capitol of ethnicels (ethnic incels). As an Indian male your sexual value on the open market is close to nil. Unfortunately, most non-Indian prime women are repulsed by a brown face. The best way to put it is that you are the sexual equivalent of a fat black woman. So AGAIN, do not read through the rest of this list. Stick with point #1: LEAVE TORONTO. If however you absolutely MUST stay here, then continue on...
2. Get accent reduction classes. This point is both key and not key. An Indian accent is a huge DLV that will get you blown out instantly many times over. However there are two caveats. First, I doubt the efficacy of accent reduction as oftentimes it will leave the student with merely a watered down, or mixed, half-Western, half-foreign accent that sounds just as stupid and even try-hard. Second, getting rid of the accent will merely clean up your disgust rate - it will NOT translate to massive successes. Remember, the handicap is that you are GENOtypically Indian, period, not the little things you say or do. Conclusion: try to temper a harsh, hokey sounding Indian accent (if that's what you have) into a more posh, Bombay boarding school sounding accent, if that makes sense, and then run with it.
3. TAKE STEROIDS. YES. Start pinning test and other androgenic compounds immediately to become an Adonis within a year or so. With your Indian genetics and MORE importantly your age the harsh truth is that you simply will not achieve anything remarkable within an acceptable time-frame. You're Indian, over 30, accented, and Toronto-based. That's what we DO know. But on top of that for all we know you could be butt ugly, bald, poor, and autistic - you haven't even divulged those elements yet. With so many strikes against you, you need absolutely every advantage you can get. With a top 0.1% physique you can get the casual sex and multiple FWB relationships that elude just about every well meaning brown guy in the city. This will be the primary instrument of your sexual attractiveness.
4. Cosmetics (Hair). Like other Indians, you probably have high DHT genetics and are prone to balding. Balding is tolerable in a normal world where men are scarce and valuable. In the sausage fest of today's world however, it is a clear handicap, despite what all the shaved head, Jason Statham-worshipping copers might tell you. If you still have a full head of hair, and so do your male ancestors, then give your thanks to God, for he loves you. If not, and you are thinning, then get on the Big 3 to halt it: 1) finasteride, 2) minoxidil, and 3) ketoconazole. If you've got a bit of recession in the front and/or back, consider putting down some money for a transplant and then staying on finasteride. If you're too forgone then look into hair systems. They're quite costly, but good genetics or the illusion thereof are priceless, and hair systems are very sophisticated and realistic-looking these days.
5. Cosmetics (Face). As you're an over 30 guy I'm assuming you're old enough to afford and consider these things. In terms of aesthetics your face is of ultimate importance, and insomuch as you can harness the technology to improve it, you are a league above other men. If you've got a weak jaw, then consider augmenting it. If you've got a bird nose, then consider rhinoplasty to smooth it out. If you've bug eyes, then consider orbital implants to make them look hunter-ish... and so on. However, surgery can only work on your projecting facial bones. It will not change the overall size and dimensions of your skull. That, everybody has to learn to 'accept'.
6. Presentation. Consider getting tattoos to make give yourself the edge that girls are looking for. You can spend $3k on a bootcamp to learn how to make yourself "behaviourally r-selected" from some random mentally masturbating coach, OR you can actually DO IT and have something to show for it in the form of ink. Tattoo game is totally legit. It gets girls. It's fucking stupid and it infuriates me as to how it shows how primitive women are but it's the gospel truth. And then, on top of your badboy muscle shirt interior, have a GQ ensemble for the special occasions. Nice shiny shoes, nice fitted suits, nice colourful pocket squares. Girls who like your face will love this shit you're wearing beneath it like crazy.
7. Target selection. I've been brutally real all throughout and I'm gonna keep that up especially for here. Assuming you've followed the above to a fairly well degree, you've got 3 categories of women who will be into you:
1) Young White Fatass Whales. Again, as an older accented brown guy in Toronto you're gonna strike out at getting prime young thin white women, even if you've got all the above shit, and your job situation, in check. Straight up, you're gonna have to settle for chubsters. UNLESS you're injecting trenbolone acetate however...
2) Over 30 Whites. They would've rejected you in their prime. Now they're begrudgingly into you (sort of)...
3) Over 30 Browns. This demographic is an absolute yet oft-ignored goldmine for upstart brown PUAs. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. They swallowed the feminism pill but they couldn't swallow it properly like their white girl peers and they pine for a cool brown dude in their broken lives.
8. Target acquisition. You should mainly get these girls through daygame, online game, and hobbies/social circle/warm approach. For online game, assuming you've got the elite physique through the means I described (if you don't, THEN, I'M TRYING TO HAMMER INTO YOUR HEAD, GOOD FUCKING LUCK), you want to play an insane, ruthless, mathematical numbers game where you screen out for DTF bitches who want to come over and lick your abs. You can then put these girls into a rotation. As for brown girls, meet them through wherever, uncles, mandir/masjid/gurdwara, and fuck em and don't get feelings. Brown girls respect guys who can legit get girls other than them.
9. THEN and ONLY then, after you've accomplished all these value-maxing endeavours, enlist the services of an approach coach who will lower your inhibition and show you how to blast your value and your persona to the world at large.
So that's that. Now my advice may seem overly brutal, harsh, pessimistic, but it's the fucking truth. People can read it and whine all they want but in the end it's all just coping and grappling with a reality that spurns them. I've lived this shit for 5 years and seen how it is. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
You can not follow my advice and live in a fantasy land and enrich some quack coach without ever addressing these elements I've laid out only to be in for a rude awakening at the end of it all. Or you can go back to arranged marriage land, because that's the best hope for 99% of brown guys, high value or not. ...Or... just or... you can accept that truth hurts and what's hurtful is true, and go with what I've said. Because I hope you do, I spent a lot of time typing all this out. You owe me a footwash and samosas. Shiet
I hate to single out a post but ... man the
negativity is so over the top and
unhealthy by what I believe to be forum standards. So I had to respond.
A lot of the practical advice civpro provided correct and it's good advice. However the tone of the post is just negative and defeats the purpose. Yes it's acknowledged but I don't see RVF as the place for that. Not saying it needs sugar coating but also no need to shit coat it either IMHO especially given its already got layers upon layers of that coating from years of trolling. I like some TOUGH LOVE but holy shit, there's that and just pummeling someone in the face and hoping they get it.
Point is shit ain't THAT bad. Not even bad at all really. Seeing reality in such a negative way will make you second guess yourself and quietly negate some of the valuable advice this post itself and the forum by and large provide.
The Internet and even the forum at times makes it seem like being Indian is a built in detriment that you may as well be blind or have no legs. Yes the overwhelming majority of Indian guys will never be able to cold approach and get numbers let alone get laid. However, I would argue that has more to do with the guys' inner game and attitude than girls disliking Indian guys. The SMV of Indian guys is low because they don't put forth the best foot compared to men of other races; not because they're Indian. An add on or connected reason is Heuristics. Girls have to also work a bit harder as Indian guys are very dissimilar to them; likely even more than black guys. So the white girl and Indian guy are both putting in more effort every given second to maintain a conversation. It's easier for her to speak with a white guy that she has an easy time talking with. Remember that Indian guys are fairly new to the dating scene relative to others. Simple. The few Indian guys that are players get laid because they are polished. What does that mean? Location, logistics and style/vibe FIRST. Not race or accent. I'm also pretty sure they get laid by at least a few hot girls. Paging Lothario.
And I've been more rejected by white girls but I have also approached more of them and have not put forth a 100% confidence with all of them because of this very attitude. There were also more white girls that wanted to sleep with me than ever when I was 18-23. I am 36 now so yes there will be less. Yet, forget white girls as there are Latin and even black women that will give you more of a chance (as already mentioned). Don't expect 18 year old white sorority girls but that's mostly a matter of age and logistics again. So it's not like it can't be done. I actually know of an Indian player who recently banged an 18 year old. True story.
I know a few Indian players with an accent who do just fine after honing their game while also showing pride in who they are (eg Lothario who already posted his thoughts). I also grew up with a lot of the positive ones. What they did was minimize the bad (shitty diet, accent and overall pussy attitude) and maximized their pride, style, looks and turned into positive attitude.
Work on yourself, yes, but maintain a positive attitude. It will be hard and it will hurt A LOT. But if you blame it on your race, you will be negative. It will mess you up even more mentally. Girls DO NOT reject you exclusively because you're Indian. There are plenty who don't care or even appreciate the Indian culture. You just need to be confident about selling it and not push it down their throat.
I just don't buy the whole Indian guys have low SMV vitriol because they're just..Indian. Not jumping on this bandwagon again because there are way too many people on it. And steroids and cosmetics? Come on.
I'm not sure I buy that Indian genetics are so bad that you need steroids even at an older age. I'm skinnier than your average cat and yes my body and diet sucked a few years ago. I started lifting just a little at the age of 34 and my body changed for the better. Not ripped but not skinny either. It's all good. I think you're doing fine in this department OP.
I'm not sure I've read a post so full of good advice but negated by the depressing and negative attitude towards the idea of being Indian. Like trolling a dead troll.
What I find more surprising about posts like this is that it's written by Indians quite a bit. I'm not sure that with this attitude, no matter how much you lift, take roids or get plastic, that you will be able to get hot girls. If you want hot girls, go for hot girls. Period. Don't let some superficial ideas regarding what you don't control take full over your behavior. Remember that the west has built in mechanisms to single out not only Indians but most minorities. I think about every time someone still tells me "Oh, you don't even have an accent." Am I not supposed to muther******? While people don't think about it singling you out, it quietly does that and enough of these types of comments and situations will make you feel inferior. It's human nature.
TLDR .. If you think being Indian has most to do with your failures, then you will not find the path to understanding the game. Period. Follow practical advice and forget about the negative BS that says "if you're indian, girls don't like you." No need to let your Indian values go. It's quite simply not healthy.
And yes, you want to talk, I'm available for FREE as someone that understands the issues well. PM me and I will be happy to help you.
Source: My own experiences, fairly well documented on the forum.