[CaptainCrazy]

dreambig Wrote:

If you are offering people value then chances are you will find a way to make some money.

The biggest load of bull I once swallowed and it took me years to let go off is that "you must create value to make money".

Pro Tip: No, you don't have to. You can, but there are other ways. And no, they aren't criminal in any way.

[Bushido]

(05-29-2015 01:39 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

dreambig Wrote:

If you are offering people value then chances are you will find a way to make some money.

The biggest load of bull I once swallowed and it took me years to let go off is that "you must create value to make money".

Pro Tip: No, you don't have to. You can, but there are other ways. And no, they aren't criminal in any way.

Care to explain?

[Chick Magnet]

(05-29-2015 01:33 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 12:35 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Does anybody know of a good resource for learning facebook ads?

For google adwords, Perry Marshall's stuff is considered Bible. Is there an equivalent for FB?

Perry Marshall's Facebook book?

Pro Tip: Do not use Facebook. Just don't. Think laterally about traffic and promotions.

His facebook course has lacklustre reviews...

Facebook is the largest, cheapest and most "dialed in" source of paid traffic.

Why not use it?

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-29-2015 05:22 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:39 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

dreambig Wrote:

If you are offering people value then chances are you will find a way to make some money.

The biggest load of bull I once swallowed and it took me years to let go off is that "you must create value to make money".

Pro Tip: No, you don't have to. You can, but there are other ways. And no, they aren't criminal in any way.

Care to explain?

Value = money is just a step away from time = money.

Same bullshit puritan crap of toiling for your daily bread that poisons the mind of Americans to this day.

Imagine how much value George Soros created then he "helped" to crash UK pound by short-selling 10 billion dollar worth of it and helped himself with 1 billion in the process.

Just an example.

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-29-2015 10:47 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:33 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 12:35 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Does anybody know of a good resource for learning facebook ads?

For google adwords, Perry Marshall's stuff is considered Bible. Is there an equivalent for FB?

Perry Marshall's Facebook book?

Pro Tip: Do not use Facebook. Just don't. Think laterally about traffic and promotions.

His facebook course has lacklustre reviews...

Facebook is the largest, cheapest and most "dialed in" source of paid traffic.

Why not use it?

Because everybody thinks like this.

Good luck with doing affiliate marketing thinking like everybody. You gonna need it.

[Bushido]

(05-30-2015 03:51 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 05:22 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:39 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

dreambig Wrote:

If you are offering people value then chances are you will find a way to make some money.

The biggest load of bull I once swallowed and it took me years to let go off is that "you must create value to make money".

Pro Tip: No, you don't have to. You can, but there are other ways. And no, they aren't criminal in any way.

Care to explain?

Value = money is just a step away from time = money.

Not at all. Roosh's books are full of value. He doesn't sell his time, but instead creates lasting value for his readers.

Anyway, it seems like you don't have anything practical to add so let's leave it that. Haters are gonna hate.

[Chick Magnet]

(05-30-2015 03:53 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:47 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:33 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 12:35 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Does anybody know of a good resource for learning facebook ads?

For google adwords, Perry Marshall's stuff is considered Bible. Is there an equivalent for FB?

Perry Marshall's Facebook book?

Pro Tip: Do not use Facebook. Just don't. Think laterally about traffic and promotions.

His facebook course has lacklustre reviews...

Facebook is the largest, cheapest and most "dialed in" source of paid traffic.

Why not use it?

Because everybody thinks like this.

Good luck with doing affiliate marketing thinking like everybody. You gonna need it.

Why don't you drop some useful intel, wise one?

I've averaged $2K a month from affiliate marketing, just driving traffic with SEO and adwords. Not a fortune, but a decent chunk of change.

How much are you making? And what are you doing differently?

I think we'd all appreciate some actionable info here...

[VincentVinturi]

I've made some good money with affiliate marketing but in my experience it's hard work and volatile.

For a while I was doing SEO based affiliate marketing and then Google bitch slapped my rankings.

So then I started over and played by Google's new rules and once again an update came along and took out all of my affiliate income.

The problem with affiliate marketing is that you're making other people money, you're at the mercy of a bunch of 3rd parties, and you're detracting from the building of your own empire.

That said, I have friends who make tens of thousands of dollars a month with affiliate marketing, so it's far from dead.

You've just got to find a unique angle, tell not a soul about it, and milk it till it dries up.

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-30-2015 11:41 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 03:53 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 10:47 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:33 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 12:35 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Does anybody know of a good resource for learning facebook ads?

For google adwords, Perry Marshall's stuff is considered Bible. Is there an equivalent for FB?

Perry Marshall's Facebook book?

Pro Tip: Do not use Facebook. Just don't. Think laterally about traffic and promotions.

His facebook course has lacklustre reviews...

Facebook is the largest, cheapest and most "dialed in" source of paid traffic.

Why not use it?

Because everybody thinks like this.

Good luck with doing affiliate marketing thinking like everybody. You gonna need it.

Why don't you drop some useful intel, wise one?

I've averaged $2K a month from affiliate marketing, just driving traffic with SEO and adwords. Not a fortune, but a decent chunk of change.

How much are you making? And what are you doing differently?

I think we'd all appreciate some actionable info here...

$2K is what I was getting on a good day just from SEO services on BHW. Average was ~500 per day in SEO services alone.

How much I made as affiliate I am not telling on a public forum.

I don't mind SEO numbers as I shut down my SEO business almost a year ago due to Panda/Penguin. Not that my service didn't rank sites but mostly because customers all became shit scared of updates and penalties and sales became too painful to justify the modest income from it.

It was a nice chunk of change but I don't regret it.

So, the actionable item number one is - do not do SEO and rely on Google as an affiliate. Treat it as a bonus and never as a primary source of traffic.

Actionable item number two is to become a master investigator. Disable that AdBlock extension, open you eyes and actually click on ads. You'll find some gems.

Pop sites you find into similarweb.com and ahrefs.com to discover their traffic sources. You'll see for yourself.

You see, no one is going to handle you the blueprint. Even on so-called coaching private forums like STM. No one in their right mind is going to share their best money making system, including me.

[Chick Magnet]

LOL. You come blazing in here telling us we're all doing it wrong...and then you're mum as a mouse.

Everybody already knows SEO is dead. You're not dropping any new info here.

We'd still love to hear about this massive traffic source that's not from search engines or PPC ads...

[Teedub]

There's lots of money to be made in AM. My mate is one of the people who do both the affiliate stuff but also does the products themselves. Yes, a lot of it is glorified snake oil- "Make money QUICK using my UNIQUE betting/trading system"...but there is of money in it - I suppose it's a question of ethics. I've helped him with the sales videos on a few products and know how much he makes.

The hardest part is building the email lists - so it helps if you have connections.

[travolta]

(05-31-2015 04:56 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

You see, no one is going to handle you the blueprint. Even on so-called coaching private forums like STM. No one in their right mind is going to share their best money making system, including me.

This is the truth. It always makes me laugh on STM when n00bz come in and yell "I'm paying $99/month! I DESERVE to be told how to do this!!" as if people care that he's spending $99 monthly.

Truth is that if somebody has a highly effective system that's making them lots of money, they'd be a fool to say anything about it. All it takes is 1 person to come in and create competition for him, or even worse, come in with something shady and completely destroy what was working. That's what happens with FB all the time- it'll be working beautifully and basically printing money for us every day, but then everybody catches on, and 1 month later it dies out and we have to start all over. Top affiliates will never tell you what's working (unless there is a VERY serious exchange of valuable ideas of course, then it might be justified).

At affiliate conferences/meetups if you ask people what they're doing they'll usually just change the subject or flat out tell you false information to make clueless people go away.

That being said, when somebody tells you what does NOT work anymore (For example, SEO, as others have already said), it's actually decent advice... it can help you save a lot of time by not wasting it on ineffective methods of making money. You see, with affiliate marketing you have to test 99,999 things until something finally sticks. You must throw shit at the wall until something sticks. If you go about things correctly, and have a bit of luck, you might hit something big that can cover your costs of living for the next couple of years.

Anyway, I'm not going to mentor anybody here since I barely have enough time as it is, but a good place to learn the fundamentals of how to advertise CPA offers on paid traffic sources is on POF. You'll never make big money from POF, but after you learn the fundamentals you can apply them to more scalable traffic sources, like Adult media buys, Google, or FB.

EDIT: affiliate marketing is extremely volatile. I've been doing paid traffic full time for almost 4 years now and have seen lots of changes in the industry. Sometimes we'll make enough profit in 1 month to cover our living costs for a couple of years (if you live a very modest lifestyle in a 3rd world country anyway), and sometimes we'll lose money every day for several months. You need to have a very high stress tolerance if you do this full time. I don't recommend it to everyone. In fact, literally at least 99% of people will fail at it. Much of it is luck and being in the right place at the right time.

[Cattle Rustler]

Quick question for yall.

So the other day I found a bunch of domain links that were available and have potential based on their names. It follows a naming convention that's similar to: play"sport".com but in different category.

I bought a bunch (13) of domains because GoDaddy had them at 16 bucks for two years. My plan is to write content for them and then put ads on the blog.

Are my plans correct? Am I missing something here? I'm not seeking millions out of it, just enough to recoup buying the name hahaha.

Most of this is just trying to learn something new and see how it works out.

Also, does anyone know of a cheap host?

Edit: The websites I got are niche and their searches range from 3K-350K a month.

[Savage]

(05-31-2015 02:05 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quick question for yall.

So the other day I found a bunch of domain links that were available and have potential based on their names. It follows a naming convention that's similar to: play"sport".com but in different category.

I bought a bunch (13) of domains because GoDaddy had them at 16 bucks for two years. My plan is to write content for them and then put ads on the blog.

Are my plans correct? Am I missing something here? I'm not seeking millions out of it, just enough to recoup buying the name hahaha.

Most of this is just trying to learn something new and see how it works out.

Also, does anyone know of a cheap host?

Edit: The websites I got are niche and their searches range from 3K-350K a month.

Siteground is good. I currently use MDDHosting but that is a bit more expensive. Another cheap one is BigScoots.

Another way to monetize could be using affiliate links in some of your blog posts. For example links to the best equipment to play the "sport" or whatever.

I am currently working on something similar, not sure if it will earn a lot but I'm learning heaps. One thing to consider is how you will get traffic to your site, SEO to bring traffic from google has been the biggest learning curve for me so far. Other ways to get traffic could be social, for example if you can create a popular facebook group in your niche then you could use that to drive traffic to the blog. Or you could try post links on reddit if there is a sub-reddit for your niche.

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-31-2015 10:48 AM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

LOL. You come blazing in here telling us we're all doing it wrong...and then you're mum as a mouse.

Everybody already knows SEO is dead. You're not dropping any new info here.

We'd still love to hear about this massive traffic source that's not from search engines or PPC ads...

Captain Crazy Wrote:

You see, no one is going to handle you the blueprint. Even on so-called coaching private forums like STM. No one in their right mind is going to share their best money making system, including me.

Sorry, but you need to do the work.

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-31-2015 02:05 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quick question for yall.

So the other day I found a bunch of domain links that were available and have potential based on their names. It follows a naming convention that's similar to: play"sport".com but in different category.

I bought a bunch (13) of domains because GoDaddy had them at 16 bucks for two years. My plan is to write content for them and then put ads on the blog.

Are my plans correct? Am I missing something here? I'm not seeking millions out of it, just enough to recoup buying the name hahaha.

Most of this is just trying to learn something new and see how it works out.

Also, does anyone know of a cheap host?

Edit: The websites I got are niche and their searches range from 3K-350K a month.

If you plan is SEO then you can expect the following.

You may get traffic or you may not.

After putting some effort in you'll get xxxx number of hits per week/day/month but then next week you'll get half of it. Then it can go back.

It doesn't depend on how good you are doing, it depends on random stuff Google does with their algo.

Contentwise if you aren't planning 2000+ words articles every other day, you are up for a challenge.

Consistently publishing large articles, even with garbage content, seem to work now. I still maintain a few old SEO sites and this is what's happening there. As soon as publishing stops, traffic goes down.

It is too much hassle. You can't build anything reliable off it.

[Cattle Rustler]

That's some crazy shit right there, especially with 13 domains and my little blog that I actually plan to start writing for.....lots of stories about MILFs with big titties.

Might try buying some traffic and doing random stuff to test the waters.....who knows, Google sounds worse than a bipolar feminist crying rape one day while asking for more dick the next day.

[Darius]

(05-31-2015 09:13 PM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

Consistently publishing large articles, even with garbage content, seem to work now. I still maintain a few old SEO sites and this is what's happening there. As soon as publishing stops, traffic goes down.

It is too much hassle. You can't build anything reliable off it.

If you are actually making some money it's fairly easy to outsource all your content creation and it doesn't cost much.

On top of that as Roosh has shown with RoK people are willing to provide the content free of charge.

[memcpy]

Affiliate marketing isn't always writing articles...

Check out Flossy Carter's YouTube. The dude is killin' it making vids + affiliate links.

The only problem is, it's kind of a grey area whether or not you can host Amazon affiliate links on your channel.

I've made tiny amounts this way, but it's just a matter of output. (I don't have many vids or connections to do this many product reviews).

If you have a company sending you products to review, this is the way to go. Then there's writing in depth articles that cover all angles of the product which is good as well. Just pick something you use often and start there.

[CaptainCrazy]

(05-31-2015 10:05 PM)Darius Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 09:13 PM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

Consistently publishing large articles, even with garbage content, seem to work now. I still maintain a few old SEO sites and this is what's happening there. As soon as publishing stops, traffic goes down.

It is too much hassle. You can't build anything reliable off it.

If you are actually making some money it's fairly easy to outsource all your content creation and it doesn't cost much.

On top of that as Roosh has shown with RoK people are willing to provide the content free of charge.

The problem is not content. The problem is one day you get ROI on your content and the other day you don't and you can't predict jack with SEO.

I prefer to go where the traffic already is and siphon it from there.

[trojans10]

(05-31-2015 11:54 PM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 10:05 PM)Darius Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 09:13 PM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

Consistently publishing large articles, even with garbage content, seem to work now. I still maintain a few old SEO sites and this is what's happening there. As soon as publishing stops, traffic goes down.

It is too much hassle. You can't build anything reliable off it.

If you are actually making some money it's fairly easy to outsource all your content creation and it doesn't cost much.

On top of that as Roosh has shown with RoK people are willing to provide the content free of charge.

The problem is not content. The problem is one day you get ROI on your content and the other day you don't and you can't predict jack with SEO.

I prefer to go where the traffic already is and siphon it from there.

What affiliate networks are you using? When building up your list, what type of paid traffic are you starting with?

[Bushido]

(05-31-2015 11:54 PM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

The problem is not content. The problem is one day you get ROI on your content and the other day you don't and you can't predict jack with SEO.

I prefer to go where the traffic already is and siphon it from there.

Google is smart these days. In my experience, if your content is legit high quality stuff that actually gets shared/liked (i.e. adds value) then it doesn't get overly affected by Google algorithm changes. For example, when people "favourite" an article in Chrome I'm pretty confident that Google logs that user event against the site.

I've had articles ranking high for certain keywords for several years now. Only minor changes here and there. I didn't even target those keywords and I pay next to zero attention to "SEO" though so what do I know?

The lesson from this might be that there are a number of different approaches that can work for different people.

[Cattle Rustler]

Just got done setting up the right google analytics set up and hosting.

It seems I could host the other websites on my blog's hosting account for not additional cost. 15 sites for 110 a month is pretty legit.



Here goes....quite a bit of my time hahaha.

[Bushido]

(06-01-2015 12:13 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Just got done setting up the right google analytics set up and hosting.

It seems I could host the other websites on my blog's hosting account for not additional cost. 15 sites for 110 a month is pretty legit.

$110 a month? If you are just starting out with no traffic then you are massively overpaying. PM me I'll shoot you a link to the host that I use.

[Cattle Rustler]

(06-01-2015 12:15 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 12:13 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Just got done setting up the right google analytics set up and hosting.

It seems I could host the other websites on my blog's hosting account for not additional cost. 15 sites for 110 a month is pretty legit.

$110 a month? If you are just starting out with no traffic then you are massively overpaying. PM me I'll shoot you a link to the host that I use.

Sorry, I forgot to mention it's 110 a year and I can put an unlimited amount of websites to it.

I got it initially to host my blog at a special deal for 30/year from Lifehacker, then renewed it at 110 a year.